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[fskimospy]

Cat's out of the bag in those areas, but what you can do is seriously ramp up penalties. Some states add on two years for doing a crime with a gun. Make that ten years, automatic, regardless of conviction or penalties on any other charges.

Tack on high riders for homeowner's and liability insurance. Require owners to register their armories as hazardous materials sites and get annual fire inspections.

Lots of other things could be done ....


.... HOWEVER ....


.... none of that would stop the dirtbags like these last two.


Also, how many other people have been killed by guns this past week? I'll bet it's considerably higher than the combined toll of these two incidents.

I know why people nibble around the edges like this. It’s because it’s better than nothing. We all know how to solve the gun violence problem though, people just don’t want to do it. Get rid of the guns. Repeal the second amendment or, failing that, return it to the understanding of it that prevailed for much of US history.

People say it’s impossible, I say bullshit - most developed countries have largely done so. It doesn’t happen overnight though, and while the best time to start was 50 years ago the next best time to start is today.

 

[Vic]

As someone here that is actually capable of a conversation past that of the skills of a 6th grader, I'm curious on your thoughts as to what that is?

I am especially curious at it relates to mass shooters with no prior convictions (thus can pass background checks), and "waiting periods" are a non-issue as well. Most of those are things that the majority of the populace agrees are acceptable restrictions we should put in place.

I'm more interested in what your solution is.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

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[nakedfrog]

I know why people nibble around the edges like this. It’s because it’s better than nothing. We all know how to solve the gun violence problem though, people just don’t want to do it. Get rid of the guns. Repeal the second amendment or, failing that, return it to the understanding of it that prevailed for much of US history.

People say it’s impossible, I say bullshit - most developed countries have largely done so. It doesn’t happen overnight though, and while the best time to start was 50 years ago the next best time to start is today.

But gosh, all the guns out there are already out there, so there's no point, gotta just throw our hands up in the air and accept the risk of being shot and killed at school... or the movies... or the mall... or a concert... or a grocery store... why do you hate freedom, commie?!?

/s

 

[Zorba]

"Proof of fitness"? Wut? The entire point of a gun is an equalizer. I'm sorry that this is above your IQ level.

Mental and moral fitness, not physically fitness. I thought that was obvious.

Wut? As in keep them in a safe? Were talking about mass-shootings not kid finding a gun and shooting himself.

Nearly all school shootings are carried out with some else's gun. But while we are on the subject, many accidental shootings and suicides would also be prevent via proper gun storage. And of course, even just standard gun crimes are generally carried out with stolen guns.

Mental illness also isn't some kind of magical finding elixir. Theorizing that someone wants to shoot stuff up is going to see a doctor is also quite laughable.

Again, people should have to be screened for mental illness prior to being able to purchase a gun. The system we have now is wait until after someone shows they are unfit to own a gun before we prevent them from getting one.

School shooter with the most kills was done with handguns - so try again idiot.

Feel free to link up all the mass shootings that have been carried out with a single/double action, non-semi-auto gun. I know the Columbine kids had a pump action shotgun, but they also had many other semi-automatic weapons. Nice calling me an idiot, when you apparently don't know that the majority of hand guns in the US are semi-auto.

I love how you claim you want to have a conversation above the level of a 6th grader, then immediately start throwing out the personal insults.

 

[jman19]

I said "school shooting" - but I know reading comprehension isn't the strong suit of this forum so I shouldn't expect 5th grade-level reading comprehension.

Regardless - VT, a school shooting, was done with semi-auto pistols. You know, the point to which you called someone an "idiot."

It must be embarrassing being you each and every day.

 

[MrSquished]

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Regardless - VT, a school shooting, was done with semi-auto pistols. You know, the point to which you called someone an "idiot."

It must be embarrassing being you each and every day.

Name for me - without Googling - which handguns AREN'T "semi-automatic"

I'll wait as I fall over laughing at your stupidity.

 

[jman19]

Name for me - without Googling - which handguns AREN'T "semi-automatic"

I'll wait as I fall over laughing at your stupidity.

Revolvers?

 

[herm0016]

Cat's out of the bag in those areas, but what you can do is seriously ramp up penalties. Some states add on two years for doing a crime with a gun. Make that ten years, automatic, regardless of conviction or penalties on any other charges.
Tack on high riders for homeowner's and liability insurance. Require owners to register their armories as hazardous materials sites and get annual fire inspections.
Lots of other things could be done ....
.... HOWEVER ....
.... none of that would stop the dirtbags like these last two.
Also, how many other people have been killed by guns this past week? I'll bet it's considerably higher than the combined toll of these two incidents.

so only rich people have the ability to exercise their rights? poll tax? and we ramp up penalties, that works really well for drug crimes. its been perfectly implemented over time by our justice system. there is def. not a disproportion # of minorities in jail in this country partly due to 3 strike rules, multipliers for gun/drug crime, etc.

safe storage laws are a way to get around the 4th amendment. people should store guns safely, but, at least to me, you still have the 4th to protect you from a fishing expedition. safe storage also goes against due process in the 5th.

i have yet to see a safe storage bill that includes any due process or requires a warrant for a search of a property.

government is also very good at protecting these rights when they make lists, ie the no fly list, where your baby may have the same same as some other person, and they will be stopped at the airport and not allowed to fly, and it will take years and a lot of money to get it cleared up. ( read, only rich people will have the ability to protect them selves from the government) The ACLU is even involved in this one, and is against the lack of due process.

a bit of devils advocate but there are more things in play here than your "solutions" address.

 

[MrSquished]

so only rich people have the ability to exercise their rights? poll tax? and we ramp up penalties, that works really well for drug crimes. its been perfectly implemented over time by our justice system. there is def. not a disproportion # of minorities in jail in this country partly due to 3 strike rules, multipliers for gun/drug crime, etc.

safe storage laws are a way to get around the 4th amendment. people should store guns safely, but, at least to me, you still have the 4th to protect you from a fishing expedition. safe storage also goes against due process in the 5th.

i have yet to see a safe storage bill that includes any due process or requires a warrant for a search of a property.

government is also very good at protecting these rights when they make lists, ie the no fly list, where your baby may have the same same as some other person, and they will be stopped at the airport and not allowed to fly, and it will take years and a lot of money to get it cleared up. ( read, only rich people will have the ability to protect them selves from the government) The ACLU is even involved in this one, and is against the lack of due process.

a bit of devils advocate but there are more things in play here than your "solutions" address.

do you think having to store propane or any other hazardous materials from chemicals to explosives in a safe manner goes against your due process?

 

[Mai72]

R U kidding??? It's easy to buy a gun ANYWHERE in America. Colorado, I understand, just passed an "open carry" law allowing "open carry".

Lets face it America...
Americans ARE NOT mentally capable to have so easy access to guns. Americans simply can not handle such power. Americans are like an 5 year old child when it comes to responsibility. When a 5 year old gets mad, they lash out without thinking or reasoning the consequences. The average adult gun owner is of the very same mindset as a 5 year old, the only difference between the 5 year old and the adult is the adult owns a gun.

America must ban ALL GUNS except for law enforcement, the US military, and for "some" private security services. Other than THAT.... NO GUNS FOR YOU. How much more proof do we need that America simply can not handle gun ownership AT ALL!!!!!
Ban those Mother F-kers. And ban the NRA.

I would disagrre. It's not easy to buy a gun in certain states. I live in NJ. Good luck purchasing a gun easily in my state. You need to go thru a background check, and you need to do lots and lots of paperwork.

That is if you're even approved. https://nj1015.com/how-to-buy-a-gun-in-nj-lots-of-paperwork-and-waiting/

 

[HomerJS]

Based on relatives this guy had serious mental issues. If a through background check that included mental fitness exam he would not have gotten a gun

 

[Mai72]

I see the issue as a mental health problem that is affecting our country. Think about how communities used to come together, and we all looked out for one another. Now? Good luck connecting with your next door neighbor. People today are alone for long periods of time. We weren't meant to be in isolation for months, and even years. God forbid if a neighbor knocks on your door so they could borrow a cup of sugar. Well unless they want to deal with the police.

We need to come together people, and love one another!

 

[blackangst1]

Again, people should have to be screened for mental illness prior to being able to purchase a gun. The system we have now is wait until after someone shows they are unfit to own a gun before we prevent them from getting one.

Not True.

Federal law: 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”

State laws
Possession of Firearms by People With Mental Illness (ncsl.org)

I should clarify..although it is illegal in most states and federally to possess a gun due to mental illness, only 17 states' mental reporting are required to report to reporting agencies.

 

[Zorba]

Oh joy

Supreme Court to discuss case that could expand Second Amendment rights

When Supreme Court justices meet behind closed doors Friday, a conference that comes three days after the country's latest mass shooting, they are scheduled to discuss whether to add a blockbuster issue to the docket for next term: the scope of the Second Amendment.

www.cnn.com

Expand gun rights, restrict voting. Even though one is mentioned much more in the constitution than the other one.

 

[Zorba]

I said "school shooting" - but I know reading comprehension isn't the strong suit of this forum so I shouldn't expect 5th grade-level reading comprehension.

Walther P22 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Glock - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I'm not a gun nut, so maybe I'm wrong, but those both look like semi-automatic handguns to me.

 

[HomerJS]

Not True.

Federal law: 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”

State laws
Possession of Firearms by People With Mental Illness (ncsl.org)

I should clarify..although it is illegal in most states and federally to possess a gun due to mental illness, only 17 states' mental reporting are required to report to reporting agencies.

Not exactlhy not true. His relatives knew he was mentally unfit. A mental heath screening before buying the gun would have stopped the sale. The law you cited means someone already has to have been judged by a medical professional.

 

[Zorba]

so only rich people have the ability to exercise their rights? poll tax? and we ramp up penalties, that works really well for drug crimes. its been perfectly implemented over time by our justice system. there is def. not a disproportion # of minorities in jail in this country partly due to 3 strike rules, multipliers for gun/drug crime, etc.

safe storage laws are a way to get around the 4th amendment. people should store guns safely, but, at least to me, you still have the 4th to protect you from a fishing expedition. safe storage also goes against due process in the 5th.

i have yet to see a safe storage bill that includes any due process or requires a warrant for a search of a property.

government is also very good at protecting these rights when they make lists, ie the no fly list, where your baby may have the same same as some other person, and they will be stopped at the airport and not allowed to fly, and it will take years and a lot of money to get it cleared up. ( read, only rich people will have the ability to protect them selves from the government) The ACLU is even involved in this one, and is against the lack of due process.

a bit of devils advocate but there are more things in play here than your "solutions" address.

My safe storage proposal is simple. If your gun wasn't properly stored and it is used in a crime, you are an accomplice in that crime. If your gun killed 20 kids, you go to jail for life. Your kid blows their brains out with your unsecured loaded gun, jail for life. Your non-secured gun is stolen from your car, ~5 years. Leave your gun on a booth in a restaurant, 5 years.

At a minimum, lose your right to own or handle a gun for the rest of your life.

Don't like the risks, don't carry around a killing machine.

I'm a big supporter of the 4th though, so I'd be absolutely against any type of inspection.

 

[jman19]

Walther P22 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Glock - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I'm not a gun nut, so maybe I'm wrong, but those both look like semi-automatic handguns to me.

They are. He's trying to move the goal posts. Kind of funny coming from someone who is always screeching like a child about how other people "can't read."

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Walther P22 - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Glock - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I'm not a gun nut, so maybe I'm wrong, but those both look like semi-automatic handguns to me.

I don't know if you're aware of this or not... but.... the vast overwhelming majority of ANY and ALL handguns are semi-automatic lol. As in - if you fire a round, it will immediately proceed to the next round to shoot with another pull of the trigger. This isn't new. This isn't an amazing innovation. It's been around for over 20+ years.

Trying to paint this as a new innovation or something that can be banned and deter crimes is quite comical.

I said that the worst school shooting was done with handguns - and you're comically trying to play 3D-Chess to say that what I said doesn't count because they were semi-automatic handguns? Are you dumb or just a complete idiot?

 

[Zorba]

Not True.

Federal law: 18 U.S.C. § 922(d), it is unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person “has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution.”

State laws
Possession of Firearms by People With Mental Illness (ncsl.org)

I should clarify..although it is illegal in most states and federally to possess a gun due to mental illness, only 17 states' mental reporting are required to report to reporting agencies.

Key word there is "adjudicated" that means that someone has already ruled that they have mental issue, likely after they already committed some act to get them noticed by the courts. Which exactly agrees with what I said:

Again, people should have to be screened for mental illness prior to being able to purchase a gun. The system we have now is wait until after someone shows they are unfit to own a gun before we prevent them from getting one.

I'm saying you should have to be evaluated before you buy a gun.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

Key word there is "adjudicated" that means that someone has already ruled that they have mental issue, likely after they already committed some act to get them noticed by the courts. Which exactly agrees with what I said:



I'm saying you should have to be evaluated before you buy a gun.

Define the metric of "evaluated" similar to being evaluated to driving a 2-ton wrecking ball known as a motor vehicle that plenty of fucking retards drive today.

Go on. Do tell.

 

[MrSquished]

Here is some statistics on gun violence in the US vs other countries. And this is just gun violence in general. Again, mass shootings are our specialty compared to any other developed nation. The pro-life party thinks this is ok. They are simply just evil trash.

How The U.S. Compares With Other Countries In Deaths From Gun Violence

The national average in the U.S. is 4.43 deaths per 100,000. By contrast, in Canada, the figure is 0.47 per 100,000. In Bangladesh, it's 0.07 deaths per 100,000.

www.npr.org

 

[Zorba]

I don't know if you're aware of this or not... but.... the vast overwhelming majority of ANY and ALL handguns are semi-automatic lol. As in - if you fire a round, it will immediately proceed to the next round to shoot with another pull of the trigger. This isn't new. This isn't an amazing innovation. It's been around for over 20+ years.

Trying to paint this as a new innovation or something that can be banned and deter crimes is quite comical.

I said that the worst school shooting was done with handguns - and you're comically trying to play 3D-Chess to say that what I said doesn't count because they were semi-automatic handguns? Are you dumb or just a complete idiot?

I have no idea what you are talking about. I said banning semi-autos would at least limit the damage in mass shootings. You said "Not true the worst school shooting ever was done with handguns," implying that the VT shooter didn't have semi-auto handguns.

News flash, you are the one that brought up handguns, not me. And I never said it was new invention, semi-auto dual action handguns have been around for 100 years, doesn't change my point one bit.

My point remains, ban semi-auto weapons and the casualties go way down. I don't care it is a shotgun, rifle, or handgun.