MARS melt hints at Solar, not Human, cause for warming

[Chadder007]

http://digg.com/environment/Mars_Melt_H...Human_Cause_for_Warming_Scientist_Says

 

[Kelvrick]

I need more info on the respective ice ages on the two planets. How closely do they coincide and compare in length, temperate change and such and such.

 

[Jeff7]

Of course, our data on Mars is kind of restricted to just the last few decades. We don't have good access to deeply buried rocks, or any ice core samples. That's a pretty sparse data set to go by.

Maybe SOHO or STEREO, other satellites studying the sun, could offer better data on the sun's output.

 

[Goosemaster]

simply put the idea of humanly-attributable global warming is an incredibly selfish and pretentious idea regardless of its merit.

 

[Jawo]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster
simply put the idea of humanly-attributable global warming is an incredibly selfish and pretentious idea regardless of its merit.

he he he....were just that good

 

[mercanucaribe]

Now the troglodytes who pick and choose the opinion of a few scientists with special interests over mounds of scientific evidence and observable processes will grasp on to this Russian scientist's theory based on three years observing a planet that man has never visited except for a couple landers and a radio controlled car that goes 1cm an hour and gets stuck on pebbles.

 

[Jawo]

Cue the Global Cooling articles from the 1970's.....

Scientists might have a vague clue....but they are forced to publish so they publish what they think....

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Now the troglodytes who pick and choose the opinion of a few scientists with special interests over mounds of scientific evidence and observable processes will grasp on to this Russian scientist's theory based on three years observing a planet that man has never visited except for a couple landers and a radio controlled car that goes 1cm an hour and gets stuck on pebbles.

in three years we will find a way to defeat the pebbles or maybe even "go over them[sic]? " :evil:


when it get's there in 15yrs the pebbles will be shaking in their little pebble socks:evil:

 

[thomsbrain]

saying that global warming is caused by natural forces is like putting a bucket out in a drizzle, cranking up the hose and putting that in the bucket, and blaming the full bucket on the precipitation.

 

[DaWhim]

I just hope for an ice age, then no one will mention global warming bs again.

 

[BrownTown]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
saying that global warming is caused by natural forces is like putting a bucket out in a drizzle, cranking up the hose and putting that in the bucket, and blaming the full bucket on the precipitation.

Well no, thats not really true, the amount of greenhouse gases released naturally FAR exceeds the amount produced by humans. The argument is more on the order of human releases being sort of the straw the break the camels back, not that they are the onyl contribution.

Having said that, I am obviously very dubious of this new study given the amount of data considered. However, also it is just as true that global warming supporters pick and choose only the things which support their idea too, so its goes both ways.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Now the troglodytes who pick and choose the opinion of a few scientists with special interests over mounds of scientific evidence and observable processes will grasp on to this Russian scientist's theory based on three years observing a planet that man has never visited except for a couple landers and a radio controlled car that goes 1cm an hour and gets stuck on pebbles.

Cue the conservative nutballs...

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: Goosemaster

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Now the troglodytes who pick and choose the opinion of a few scientists with special interests over mounds of scientific evidence and observable processes will grasp on to this Russian scientist's theory based on three years observing a planet that man has never visited except for a couple landers and a radio controlled car that goes 1cm an hour and gets stuck on pebbles.

in three years we will find a way to defeat the pebbles or maybe even "go over them[sic]? " :evil:


when it get's there in 15yrs the pebbles will be shaking in their little pebble socks:evil:

Goose is on a roll tonight...

 

[Jeff7]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
saying that global warming is caused by natural forces is like putting a bucket out in a drizzle, cranking up the hose and putting that in the bucket, and blaming the full bucket on the precipitation.

Well no, thats not really true, the amount of greenhouse gases released naturally FAR exceeds the amount produced by humans. The argument is more on the order of human releases being sort of the straw the break the camels back, not that they are the onyl contribution.

Having said that, I am obviously very dubious of this new study given the amount of data considered. However, also it is just as true that global warming supporters pick and choose only the things which support their idea too, so its goes both ways.

That, and the planet has had millions of years to acclimate itself to those natural releases, and reach equillibrium. Now we're digging up carbon that nature sealed up, deep underground millions of years ago, what are now hydrocarbons. We are burning them, releasing loads of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere that isn't supposed to be there.

Moving a few small things can make a big difference. Take the human body for example. We live with hordes of bacteria in our own digestive tract. Put those very same bacteria elsewhere in the body, and suddenly you've got a very sick human. Wow, look at that, just one small change, maybe moving a few tiny bacteria a few inches, to the bloodstream instead of the intestinal tract, and all hell breaks loose.

 

[FleshLight]

OMG THE SUN CAUSES WARMING? NO WAIIII!!

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
saying that global warming is caused by natural forces is like putting a bucket out in a drizzle, cranking up the hose and putting that in the bucket, and blaming the full bucket on the precipitation.

Well no, thats not really true, the amount of greenhouse gases released naturally FAR exceeds the amount produced by humans. The argument is more on the order of human releases being sort of the straw the break the camels back, not that they are the onyl contribution.

Having said that, I am obviously very dubious of this new study given the amount of data considered. However, also it is just as true that global warming supporters pick and choose only the things which support their idea too, so its goes both ways.

Well, it's kind of hard to ignore ice caps melting and glaciers that have been around for hundreds of thousands of years now almost completely vanished in a matter of decades.

 

[SSSnail]

How do you know that by introducing the rovers didn't upset their preserved environment therefore caused the subsequent warming of the planet? Huh? HUH?

I don't really care if 'Global Warming' or 'El Nino' or 'Baby Jesus' is caused by men or monkey farts, if I can do my parts to not worsen the situation, why the hell not.

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: FleshLight
OMG THE SUN CAUSES WARMING? NO WAIIII!!

YA WAIII!!!

 

[Minjin]

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Now the troglodytes who pick and choose the opinion of a few scientists with special interests over mounds of scientific evidence and observable processes will grasp on to this Russian scientist's theory based on three years observing a planet that man has never visited except for a couple landers and a radio controlled car that goes 1cm an hour and gets stuck on pebbles.

The Mars rovers were designed to last 90 days. They have now lasted over three years on a planet averaging 48 million miles away and have provided volumes of data. The only failure so far has been a wheel on Spirit but they have since programmed it to run on five wheels. The rovers are an amazing engineering achievement and don't desire to be belittled.

 

[43st]

Best part is on page 2...

He claims that carbon dioxide has only a small influence on Earth's climate and virtually no influence on Mars.

But "without the greenhouse effect there would be very little, if any, life on Earth, since our planet would pretty much be a big ball of ice," said Evan, of the University of Wisconsin.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Minjin

Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Now the troglodytes who pick and choose the opinion of a few scientists with special interests over mounds of scientific evidence and observable processes will grasp on to this Russian scientist's theory based on three years observing a planet that man has never visited except for a couple landers and a radio controlled car that goes 1cm an hour and gets stuck on pebbles.

The Mars rovers were designed to last 90 days. They have now lasted over three years on a planet averaging 48 million miles away and have provided volumes of data. The only failure so far has been a wheel on Spirit but they have since programmed it to run on five wheels. The rovers are an amazing engineering achievement and don't desire to be belittled.

Agreed, but I think his point is that we've been getting this detailed information on Mars for 3 whole years...it's kind of hard to draw conclusions like the mad Russian scientist has done based on so little data.

 

[0]

Good, now Gore can start using even more electricity than the average American at home again....

 

[ultimatebob]

Originally posted by: 0
Good, now Gore can start using even more electricity than the average American at home again....

Damn straight... He needs to get back to work and finish inventing the Internet! It still isn't working right... the friggin' tubes keep getting clogged.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: BrownTown

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
saying that global warming is caused by natural forces is like putting a bucket out in a drizzle, cranking up the hose and putting that in the bucket, and blaming the full bucket on the precipitation.

Well no, thats not really true, the amount of greenhouse gases released naturally FAR exceeds the amount produced by humans. The argument is more on the order of human releases being sort of the straw the break the camels back, not that they are the onyl contribution.

Having said that, I am obviously very dubious of this new study given the amount of data considered. However, also it is just as true that global warming supporters pick and choose only the things which support their idea too, so its goes both ways.

Well, it's kind of hard to ignore ice caps melting and glaciers that have been around for hundreds of thousands of years now almost completely vanished in a matter of decades.

Ya know...the Vikings didn't name Greenland "GREENland" as part of a sick joke. It was actually a pretty hospitable place with lots of open farming land until glaciers pushed their way across the land leaving only slivers of land near the coast available for living.

Climate Change is part of the norm for the Earth...not the abnorm. Us narcissistic humans just have to cope and adapt.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: thomsbrain
saying that global warming is caused by natural forces is like putting a bucket out in a drizzle, cranking up the hose and putting that in the bucket, and blaming the full bucket on the precipitation.

*sigh*

It saddens me when the general public talks like experts on matters on which they have no authority.