MARS melt hints at Solar, not Human, cause for warming

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rahul

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Originally posted by: Queasy

Ya know...the Vikings didn't name Greenland "GREENland" as part of a sick joke. It was actually a pretty hospitable place with lots of open farming land until glaciers pushed their way across the land leaving only slivers of land near the coast available for living.

Not lots, just areas to the south near the coast. That too only in the summer. I have not read anything about early Norse settlers moving inland.

 

moshquerade

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"This will be buried for several reasons: 1) it doesn't fit the "consensus" 2) It's a Russian scientist 3) The Holy Church of Global Warming will not permit any heresy."
 

sandorski

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No one claims Mars Warming is Man Made. However, we have more than enough evidence to prove that Earth Warming is Man Made.
 

jagec

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Who CARES whether it's natural or not...it affects us just as much either way. I suppose when you guys are sitting in a burning building, you like to discuss who started the fire, but me, I'll see if I can't find an extinguisher, hmm?
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: jagec
Who CARES whether it's natural or not...it affects us just as much either way. I suppose when you guys are sitting in a burning building, you like to discuss who started the fire, but me, I'll see if I can't find an extinguisher, hmm?

Or if you're like many global warming alarmists, you'll grab any liquid you see and throw it on the fire, without checking to see if it's water or gasoline.
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: jagec
Who CARES whether it's natural or not...it affects us just as much either way. I suppose when you guys are sitting in a burning building, you like to discuss who started the fire, but me, I'll see if I can't find an extinguisher, hmm?

Or if you're like many global warming alarmists, you'll grab any liquid you see and throw it on the fire, without checking to see if it's water or gasoline.

The Deniers wouldn't do anything due to lack of "proof" that a liquid can quell a fire. At least with the GW crowd you have a 50/50 chance.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: jagec
Who CARES whether it's natural or not...it affects us just as much either way. I suppose when you guys are sitting in a burning building, you like to discuss who started the fire, but me, I'll see if I can't find an extinguisher, hmm?

Or if you're like many global warming alarmists, you'll grab any liquid you see and throw it on the fire, without checking to see if it's water or gasoline.

The Deniers wouldn't do anything due to lack of "proof" that a liquid can quell a fire. At least with the GW crowd you have a 50/50 chance.
Yeah, you have a 50% chance of helping, and a 50% chance of making it worse. Not everyone who disagrees with current GW theories is a denier so stop with the generalizations. Might it be worth spending a moment to examine what's in the bucket before tossing it on a fire?
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: BoberFett
Originally posted by: jagec
Who CARES whether it's natural or not...it affects us just as much either way. I suppose when you guys are sitting in a burning building, you like to discuss who started the fire, but me, I'll see if I can't find an extinguisher, hmm?

Or if you're like many global warming alarmists, you'll grab any liquid you see and throw it on the fire, without checking to see if it's water or gasoline.

The Deniers wouldn't do anything due to lack of "proof" that a liquid can quell a fire. At least with the GW crowd you have a 50/50 chance.
Yeah, you have a 50% chance of helping, and a 50% chance of making it worse. Not everyone who disagrees with current GW theories is a denier so stop with the generalizations. Might it be worth spending a moment to examine what's in the bucket before tossing it on a fire?

In you scenario, yes it would be worth a second or 2. However, how does that apply to the GW Debate? Not at all, years of Research, tons of Science, reams of Evidence has already shown what's going on. It's time to pick up the bucket of water and put it on the fire.
 

Chadder007

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: Minjin
Originally posted by: mercanucaribe
Now the troglodytes who pick and choose the opinion of a few scientists with special interests over mounds of scientific evidence and observable processes will grasp on to this Russian scientist's theory based on three years observing a planet that man has never visited except for a couple landers and a radio controlled car that goes 1cm an hour and gets stuck on pebbles.

The Mars rovers were designed to last 90 days. They have now lasted over three years on a planet averaging 48 million miles away and have provided volumes of data. The only failure so far has been a wheel on Spirit but they have since programmed it to run on five wheels. The rovers are an amazing engineering achievement and don't desire to be belittled.

Agreed, but I think his point is that we've been getting this detailed information on Mars for 3 whole years...it's kind of hard to draw conclusions like the mad Russian scientist has done based on so little data.

We really don't have that much data from around the world for the last 100 years either. Pull all the ground samples up you want, they can't be accurate of a certain temperature within a 10th of a degree for each year up to a century ago in all parts of the world.
 

gsellis

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Well, it's kind of hard to ignore ice caps melting and glaciers that have been around for hundreds of thousands of years now almost completely vanished in a matter of decades.
Huh? You do know that we have recently exited a period called "the Little Ice Age," right? Your period is not hundreds of thousands of years. It is more like 100-200 years. This whole ball of wax is "proven" by some folks who purposely left data out of their models because it invalidated their conclusions. Then they set the norm to the end of this cold period, which skews the graph for the current period. They dropped the warm period from their data and used poor samples (quantity and quality) to set other norms. If a drug company had done this with their data, you would be calling for their heads.
 

AMCRambler

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Guess we better get thatn first manned mission to Mars over with so we can start terra forming the place. When Earth gets too toasty we'll all have to move!
 

bignateyk

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Originally posted by: DaWhim
I just hope for an ice age, then no one will mention global warming bs again.

As much as I disagree with the ideas of man-made global warming, this is a pretty ignorant statement.

Global warming will likely cause an ice age due to the melting polar ice caps...
 

moshquerade

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Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Guess we better get thatn first manned mission to Mars over with so we can start terra forming the place. When Earth gets too toasty we'll all have to move!
i welcome the Earth's toastiness. our winters are siberia-like here.

 

bignateyk

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Originally posted by: AMCRambler
Guess we better get thatn first manned mission to Mars over with so we can start terra forming the place. When Earth gets too toasty we'll all have to move!

lol. If we were advanced enough to terra-form mars, I think we could deal with the temperature change on earth :)
 

funboy6942

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Here is my take on humans on earth, mars, and the wipe out of the dinosaur.

Millions of years ago we used to live on mars but as we are today, we over populated it and had global warming issues. We were cool with some alien species and the seeked out and found the planet earth, but it had the mean old dinosaurs on there. Our Alien friends knew we would be eaten by them if they flew us over so the hurled a big rock at earth causing the deep freeze killing off almost all of them.

In a effort to save our race we were to send over to the new planet 2 over every animal we had, and board a space ship for earth to start to populate and inhabit the planet. Adam and Eve signed up for this dangerous mission knowing they will never return. The Aliens messed up on their calculations and the spaceship crashed. They feared Adam and Eve for dead, and blew their entire budget on the plan, and couldnt afford to send any more of us over. So the human race dies on Mars when global warming, over population, and food ran out.

Little did they know though that Adam and Eve, and several of the animals they brought over survived. And they started to repopulate earth. Unfortunately because it was just the two of them they offspring had to make it with the offspring, of their offspring, and by the 3rd generation we had too many flipper babies and turned into apes and monkey, from having sexual relations with some of the animals we brought over, and the others turned into "Neanderthals".

Many thousands of years went by and the Aliens found out we had not died off during the crash as they had thought, so they grabbed a few Neanderthal men and women and spliced their dna with some of our older dna to give it a kick into what we are today. During that journey we again became friend with our alien beings, built huge parking structures, pyrimids, and other large maps on the earth so they could find their way around the galaxy if they didn't have time to stop and talk. But somewhere down the line some of our new humans made it with the Neanderthals and started another race. Ones that didn't believe in Space ships, and alien beings. They believed in sun, fire, and wind gods and were known as Indians. Some of the off spring traveled east and became Europeans and dint believe in sun gods and such foolishness, but one god that made the heavens and earth. Without the Alien friends to guide these new breed of humans they couldnt show their faces to them for it would cause a panic among them.

Years went by and the European humans became very smart, and traveled very far beyond where they lived. The aliens feared they would be discovered so they had to leave for ever, but would check up on us from time to time. These new breed of humans were super smart, too smart for their own good for with all the breeding with the other races had almost perfected the original dna strands they once had from their ancestors back on mars. And as the years would go by they would become increasingly aware, and crave more and more knowledge, to a point they will once again overpopulate the planet they are on, and cause global warming of that planet.

Will they survive again without the help of their alien friends? Tune in next generation, on the Funboys fvcked in the head show!
 

manowar821

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I don't believe the human race will get to that point, as sad as it sounds.
We're too wrapped up in our own selfish crap, what with our governments taking YEARS to punish a criminal, taking YEARS to realize that we screw things up on our little planet. We still waste trillions of dollars to kill each-other, and we have religious fundamentalists running our countries, when they have no place making decisions for us.

Hell, we'll probably blow ourselves all up because of this infection called "religion". I mean, they all seem to have no idea how to admit if they're wrong, and also tend to push their views on others. Gay marriage, global warming, bombing the crap out of some city on the other side of the planet because our retard of a government told us there were weapons there when there weren't. Yeah, I blame all of these problems on fundamentalism, have a problem with that? Then go back home and read your bible and stop bugging everyone else, you're not a scientist, you have no right to tell others what to do.

Yeah, I'm trolling the fundies right now, but honestly, who cares?

By the way, there is no heightened solar activity to speak of, so how is the sun heating up the earth and mars more than usual? We have NO IDEA how mars has running water, because we've only just met the planet. It could be subterranean heating. We've been on earth for millions of years. Also, yes, we CAN get accurate temperature readings from thousands of years ago, just because you don't understand the science behind it doesn't mean that it's bullocks.

So, next time you feel like arguing with someone about science, think first. Do you have years of experience in this subject? Did you STUDY this at ALL? Could you have a slight bias because you get all of your information from Fox news and the articles written by "scientists" who are funded by the very companies who are trying to defeat the "global warming myth"?

Lets hope I'm wrong about having no faith in humanity.