Marine To feinstein: I Will Not Register My Weapons

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  1. Angry Irishman

    Angry Irishman Golden Member

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    I don't state this too often, you sir, are an idiot. You put a lot of time and typing into your response for not as it all boils down to your last response.

    Obviously if I disagree with the laws on the books and the bill being pushed I think they are unconstitutional and illegal. What the hell are you even trying to talk about?

    I'm not answering the same questions over again. I'm not on here to be interrogated by the want to be forum lawyer. I've answered all of your questions and provided my opinions. You have not and continue to twist the same black and white statements not accepting that everything in the world isn't black and white. My reasoning, and what is black and white: read the second amendment, it's pretty damn clear: "A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

    Continue to be a sheep and don't bother to ever think for yourself. The government will take care of you...just trust. If it's a law to walk around with underwear on your head will you just continue to state...."that's the law". But hey, it doesn't matter what you or I think...just do it.

    YOU and those like you with their blind eye to glaring issues are the reason this country is trending the wrong way. YOU want to accept and trust everything thrown at you regardless of your rights....go ahead; I don't.

    Again, you will not answer any of the questions I've posed to you...our conversation is over as it is truly like conversing with a well trained parrot.
     
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  2. TerryMathews

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    So again GTC, do you believe every recreational drug user should be convicted and sentenced according to Federal statutes?
     
  3. nextJin

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    That is exactly what I was thinking, just because he is a Marine does not make the letter anymore meaningful than if a 17 year old redneck wrote it. In fact, I'd like proof this CPL even exists. Too many times do Republicans goto the Troops to try and prove a point within their agenda.

    I am a proud gun owner and agree with the sentiments though.

    <--- Active Duty Army 13 yrs

    Also, just because the law passes doesn't mean citizens will automatically goto jail. Going to jail for not registering a weapon while being a law abiding citizen with zero priors (and in this CPLs case a veteran) is the perfect case for Jury Nullification.
     
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  4. StinkyPinky

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    Who cares with some marine thinks? His opinion is no more valid than anyone that posts on this very forum.
     
  5. raildogg

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    Yeah, love that gun more than you love other people.
     
  6. DukeN

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    What an arrogant douchetard
     
  7. Hayabusa Rider

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    So if you are in a situation where you must defend someone you love, who do you love more, that person or the one trying to harm them? Do you flip a coin?
     
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    It doesn't matter. All we're doing is creating an endless cycle of violence.
     
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    I especially like this bit..

    He keeps us all free. Those damn uppity Arabs are just itching to invade us with their untrained army and rickety fishing boats. o_O
     
  10. Hayabusa Rider

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    Then don't have a family. If they can't depend on you to protect them if need be. Defensive violence at need is not something to be ashamed of. Note "at need" not when one feels secure. People who exhibit violent behavior because they enjoy it will harm others. What I guarantee is that someone I stop from harming another is unlikely to ever do it again. Cycle of violence stopped.
     
  11. raildogg

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    You can never be really safe. Most of it is mental. Most, if not all, things are beyond your control so I'm not sure if I can go along with the fact that a mere gun can protect someone. This is how these weapons spread and multiply. All in the name of defense.

    I am not for government restriction on weapons either. I want people to have the freedom to make their own choices. If they want a gun, let them have it.
     
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  12. Hayabusa Rider

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    That's a perfectly reasonable attitude. You don't want a gun, but will allow others the right to have one.

    I'll disagree with your take on "safe" to some degree. Safety isn't binary, yes or no, but if one is prepared by whatever means to deal with contingencies then one is safer than if not. Now fear is mental. The perception of security from an emotional perspective is. I don't believe this a semantic distinction. As for my part I am prepared to defend myself and my family, and I believe I have a reasonable means to do so without a firearm. I also do not feel compelled to kill for any cause. There is a proportional response in my mind, but make no mistake, I am prepared to take whatever steps are needed.

    So yes, I don't fear, I feel safe and secure in the context I mean it, but I am perfectly aware that I'm not invulnerable, nor do I feel the slightest need to be. My comfort level doesn't require that I be overwhelmed by safety concerns.
     
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    this thread is now about big fluffy buttermilk pancakes.

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  14. fskimospy

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    Of course by owning that gun it is much more likely that one of those people you love will be harmed by it than it is that you will protect them from violence with it.

    So really, isn't choosing not to own a gun the greater act of caring for their safety?
     
  15. fskimospy

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    Completely agree. I'm a veteran as well and I think the way America behaves towards its armed forces is downright creepy.

    I've met some of the best people of my life in the armed forces, some of my best friends to this day. I've also met some total shitbags. What's funny about it is that I'm Facebook friends with some of the good ones and some of the bad ones. The bad ones tend to be the guys who won't shut up about how they were once in the military.
     
  16. Hayabusa Rider

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    Interesting. Please tell me how you know that is true in my specific case and provide a basis in fact for your statement applying to me as an individual. "On average" arguments aren't applicable. Also the burden is on you to back your contention since you claim special knowledge.
     
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    I was clearly speaking to society as a whole. If you believe you are particularly well trained with firearm storage and safety I guess I'll take your word for it. (people frequently overestimate their abilities however, just so you know)

    For the average American the safest thing they can do for their family is take all their guns and throw them in a trash compactor.
     
  18. Hayabusa Rider

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    I believe that anyone who has a gun for defensive purposes should be required to demonstrate competence not only in firearm handling, but in defensive tactics and situational awareness. Courses can be required at regular intervals which would be graded . I believe in the right of ownership, but with few exceptions owners ought to have practical training. Of course specifics can be worked out, but rather than focusing on the the weapon, concentrate on individual competency and responsibility.
     
  19. nextJin

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    This.

    I love those individuals, guys who brag about deployments or how badass they were in Ordinance or whatever. Esspecially fobbits with ridiculous purple heart or CAB citations coming home with their war stories.

    How do you know if a vet is lying?
     
  20. Angry Irishman

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    Holy shit those look good. They are probably bad for us though so the government should take them away or at least legislate the shit out of them....it's for our own good, of course.
     
  21. Angry Irishman

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    The gun is a tool; the crazy people using the gun is the problem.
     
  22. Angry Irishman

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    She's a US Senator...from California no less. How dare you make a comment like that.
     
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    How has that worked out for the UK and Australia? Gun crimes down, but the total number of violent crimes is up . .still a similar murder rate . . what problem did that solve?
     
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    I think it lowered gun crime as you just pointed out.

    Lol
     
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    It displaced the crimes that would have been committed using guns with another lethal object instead. However, where as we are in decline of violent crimes, and even violent crimes in typical violent areas, other countries with guns bans are not. In fact, violent crimes not involving guns are on the rise in some places.