marijuana vs alcohol vs tobacco

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bunnyfubbles

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On a 1:1 use basis, MJ (if people used it like they do alcohol or tobacco they'd be pretty f***ed up) - but most people simply don't use it this way.

But when considering normal/actual use, Tobacco.
 

AlienCraft

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Despite numerous personal field studies and thousands of hours of observations, I am convinced it is not possible to ingest enough MJ by it's normal means of uptake to cause death.

It's been shown by college students annually that it is possible to drink oneself to death.

I have yet to see anyone have anything more than a coughing fit in the short term excessive use of tobacco.

Therefore, my risk assessment places alcohol as #1 , tobacco as #2 and pot as #3.

Links? You want links?

We don't need no stinkin' links.

 

lyssword

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Depends how much you drink, but if you are a heavy drinker it will do the most damage out of these drugs.
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: G Wizard
i voted alcohol.
if you abuse alcohol long enough there is a definite phsyical dependency, not just psychological like MJ and to a lesser extent tobacco.

there is a bit of a physical dependency w/ tobacco, but its gone after 2-3 days, the rest is mental, kicking that addiction.

MJ addiction is purely psychological.

so when did they deem inhaling smoke of any kind as good for you? i think they are all equally bad for you physically and psychologically. doesnt matter if its a physical or a mental addiction, its still an addiction. my dad has smoked pot for longer than ive been alive. he was told last year to quit or die. id say that was a long term medical problem with pot there. theres so much BS tossed around about pot on both sides its ridiculous. no, its not as harmful as tobacco. no, its not actually good for you. we can all agree alcohol is bad for you, drink too much in one night and youll die of alcohol poisoning. drink enough and drive poorly, kill yourself and maybe others. smoke pot and go driving, SAME DEAL. maybe kill yourself or others. it DOES slow you down, it DOES affect your judgment. yes, i was a pot smoker for a lot of years. i have kids, and i dont want them to start it at all. they have seen the aftereffects first hand of all 3 (as well as a healthy mix of coke and crackheads), and its not a very pretty sight. just stop pretending pot is good for you and actually does things for you.
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: w3stfa11
Tobacco easily. What I hate about alcohol is that a drunk person could kill other people that don't drink, such as a drunk driving accident. But you're talking health, so that doesn't really apply here.

so alcohol shrinking your brain, affecting short term memory as well as killing your liver isnt health problems enough? i bet alcoholism isnt a health issue either right?

smokers can get emphysema and cancer. smoke of any kind in your lungs on a regular basis is bad for you, so that includes pot smoking as well. it will give you long term respiratory issues after years of smoking it just like tobacco will
 

ch33zw1z

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Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: G Wizard
i voted alcohol.
if you abuse alcohol long enough there is a definite phsyical dependency, not just psychological like MJ and to a lesser extent tobacco.

there is a bit of a physical dependency w/ tobacco, but its gone after 2-3 days, the rest is mental, kicking that addiction.

MJ addiction is purely psychological.

so when did they deem inhaling smoke of any kind as good for you? i think they are all equally bad for you physically and psychologically. doesnt matter if its a physical or a mental addiction, its still an addiction. my dad has smoked pot for longer than ive been alive. he was told last year to quit or die. id say that was a long term medical problem with pot there. theres so much BS tossed around about pot on both sides its ridiculous. no, its not as harmful as tobacco. no, its not actually good for you. we can all agree alcohol is bad for you, drink too much in one night and youll die of alcohol poisoning. drink enough and drive poorly, kill yourself and maybe others. smoke pot and go driving, SAME DEAL. maybe kill yourself or others. it DOES slow you down, it DOES affect your judgment. yes, i was a pot smoker for a lot of years. i have kids, and i dont want them to start it at all. they have seen the aftereffects first hand of all 3 (as well as a healthy mix of coke and crackheads), and its not a very pretty sight. just stop pretending pot is good for you and actually does things for you.

Just because you don't like it MJ doesnt mean it doesn't have it's benefits. I know of not one person who's crashed a car while high. I know more than I can count on two hands who have crashed while drunk, some killing themselves...luckily no1 else. Any type of chronic smoking is going to cause health problems, duh. MJ does have medical uses, and if it were not tested for at my job I'd be using it to alleviate pain and nausea. Everything in moderation...which is a subjective term :)

EDIT: Those who think that 2nd smoke research is BS, get a clue. Not a living person should be regularly ingesting what they put in those things. I have no problem with fresh leaf tobacco being rolled and smoked, but those premade cigs are ******, and cause everyone around you problems.
 

jdoggg12

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I think most people forget what moderation means. Yes, you do something your whole life, it will have long term effects.

You eat a cheesebuger every day - you better have a spare heart
You pitch a baseball every day - you'll need arm surgury
You choke the chicken too much - you'll go blind
You eat too much salt - your sodium levels spike

So i think for this example - it should be asked "Over a long period of time with typical/recommended consumption...."
 

Anubis

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Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: G Wizard
i voted alcohol.
if you abuse alcohol long enough there is a definite phsyical dependency, not just psychological like MJ and to a lesser extent tobacco.

there is a bit of a physical dependency w/ tobacco, but its gone after 2-3 days, the rest is mental, kicking that addiction.

MJ addiction is purely psychological.

so when did they deem inhaling smoke of any kind as good for you? i think they are all equally bad for you physically and psychologically. doesnt matter if its a physical or a mental addiction, its still an addiction. my dad has smoked pot for longer than ive been alive. he was told last year to quit or die. id say that was a long term medical problem with pot there. theres so much BS tossed around about pot on both sides its ridiculous. no, its not as harmful as tobacco. no, its not actually good for you. we can all agree alcohol is bad for you, drink too much in one night and youll die of alcohol poisoning. drink enough and drive poorly, kill yourself and maybe others. smoke pot and go driving, SAME DEAL. maybe kill yourself or others. it DOES slow you down, it DOES affect your judgment. yes, i was a pot smoker for a lot of years. i have kids, and i dont want them to start it at all. they have seen the aftereffects first hand of all 3 (as well as a healthy mix of coke and crackheads), and its not a very pretty sight. just stop pretending pot is good for you and actually does things for you.


what was your father going to die of if he didnt stop the weed?
 

Vic

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The answer is alcohol. It's just that most tobacco smokers use at a level that would be severe alcoholism for a drinker. However, if we level the playing field and assume usage on equal levels across all 3 drugs (let's say comparable to "pack a day" usage among smokers, 6 pack of beer or more per day among drinkers, and a couple of bong hits per day for the potheads), the alcoholic would be the most severely impaired and would die the earliest (considerably earlier than the other 2, probably by the 40s). The tobacco user would retain the keenest mental abilities, but would suffer considerable health issues later in life and die around age 60 or so. The marijuana use would suffer some cognitive impairment (though not nearly as much as the alcoholic) but the least harmful health effects and with minimal if any decrease in life expectency.

In appropriate moderation, no drug is truly harmful, except that "moderate" tobacco usage is rare and, due to tobacco's highly addictive nature, difficult to attain (and so should be avoided entirely).
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: G Wizard
i voted alcohol.
if you abuse alcohol long enough there is a definite phsyical dependency, not just psychological like MJ and to a lesser extent tobacco.

there is a bit of a physical dependency w/ tobacco, but its gone after 2-3 days, the rest is mental, kicking that addiction.

MJ addiction is purely psychological.

so when did they deem inhaling smoke of any kind as good for you? i think they are all equally bad for you physically and psychologically. doesnt matter if its a physical or a mental addiction, its still an addiction. my dad has smoked pot for longer than ive been alive. he was told last year to quit or die. id say that was a long term medical problem with pot there. theres so much BS tossed around about pot on both sides its ridiculous. no, its not as harmful as tobacco. no, its not actually good for you. we can all agree alcohol is bad for you, drink too much in one night and youll die of alcohol poisoning. drink enough and drive poorly, kill yourself and maybe others. smoke pot and go driving, SAME DEAL. maybe kill yourself or others. it DOES slow you down, it DOES affect your judgment. yes, i was a pot smoker for a lot of years. i have kids, and i dont want them to start it at all. they have seen the aftereffects first hand of all 3 (as well as a healthy mix of coke and crackheads), and its not a very pretty sight. just stop pretending pot is good for you and actually does things for you.

Just because you don't like it MJ doesnt mean it doesn't have it's benefits. I know of not one person who's crashed a car while high. I know more than I can count on two hands who have crashed while drunk, some killing themselves...luckily no1 else. Any type of chronic smoking is going to cause health problems, duh. MJ does have medical uses, and if it were not tested for at my job I'd be using it to alleviate pain and nausea. Everything in moderation...which is a subjective term :)

EDIT: Those who think that 2nd smoke research is BS, get a clue. Not a living person should be regularly ingesting what they put in those things. I have no problem with fresh leaf tobacco being rolled and smoked, but those premade cigs are ******, and cause everyone around you problems.

who said i didnt like it? i smoked for a long time. i also worked as a stage hand for local concerts here in az for 12 years, seen many people that smoke pot on an hourly basis. it does affect them, it does hamper judgment and it does have long term effects on mental capacity and your lungs. ive seen stoned people fall off of towers because they couldnt react as fast as they usually would sober. ive seen accidents of friends that happened while they were baked. just because your lily white world of yuppy pot smoking on weekends doesnt end in tragedy once in a while doesnt make it not happen elsewhere.
 

ch33zw1z

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Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: G Wizard
i voted alcohol.
if you abuse alcohol long enough there is a definite phsyical dependency, not just psychological like MJ and to a lesser extent tobacco.

there is a bit of a physical dependency w/ tobacco, but its gone after 2-3 days, the rest is mental, kicking that addiction.

MJ addiction is purely psychological.

so when did they deem inhaling smoke of any kind as good for you? i think they are all equally bad for you physically and psychologically. doesnt matter if its a physical or a mental addiction, its still an addiction. my dad has smoked pot for longer than ive been alive. he was told last year to quit or die. id say that was a long term medical problem with pot there. theres so much BS tossed around about pot on both sides its ridiculous. no, its not as harmful as tobacco. no, its not actually good for you. we can all agree alcohol is bad for you, drink too much in one night and youll die of alcohol poisoning. drink enough and drive poorly, kill yourself and maybe others. smoke pot and go driving, SAME DEAL. maybe kill yourself or others. it DOES slow you down, it DOES affect your judgment. yes, i was a pot smoker for a lot of years. i have kids, and i dont want them to start it at all. they have seen the aftereffects first hand of all 3 (as well as a healthy mix of coke and crackheads), and its not a very pretty sight. just stop pretending pot is good for you and actually does things for you.

Just because you don't like it MJ doesnt mean it doesn't have it's benefits. I know of not one person who's crashed a car while high. I know more than I can count on two hands who have crashed while drunk, some killing themselves...luckily no1 else. Any type of chronic smoking is going to cause health problems, duh. MJ does have medical uses, and if it were not tested for at my job I'd be using it to alleviate pain and nausea. Everything in moderation...which is a subjective term :)

EDIT: Those who think that 2nd smoke research is BS, get a clue. Not a living person should be regularly ingesting what they put in those things. I have no problem with fresh leaf tobacco being rolled and smoked, but those premade cigs are ******, and cause everyone around you problems.

who said i didnt like it? i smoked for a long time. i also worked as a stage hand for local concerts here in az for 12 years, seen many people that smoke pot on an hourly basis. it does affect them, it does hamper judgment and it does have long term effects on mental capacity and your lungs. ive seen stoned people fall off of towers because they couldnt react as fast as they usually would sober. ive seen accidents of friends that happened while they were baked. just because your lily white world of yuppy pot smoking on weekends doesnt end in tragedy once in a while doesnt make it not happen elsewhere.

You made it clear how you felt. Being a former smoker(same here), do you feel it should be illegal in the way it is now? Is it not a persons right to ingest a chemical that really only effects themselves? You can't make the arguement that alcohol/tobacco should be legal and not MJ...it just doesn't make sense.
 

Mr Incognito

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Originally posted by: hanoverphist
so when did they deem inhaling smoke of any kind as good for you?

You obviously don't know that you don't need to inhale smoke to get high. If you use a vaporizor there is no actual smoke.

 

Gooberlx2

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Acutely dangerous, alcohol definitely. So I picked that. Over time, however, tobacco wins in negative effect on the body (compared to drinking in moderation) and, I'm guessing, cost on our medical system.
 

ch33zw1z

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Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
so when did they deem inhaling smoke of any kind as good for you?

You obviously don't know that you don't need to inhale smoke to get high. If you use a vaporizor there is no actual smoke.

which is actually very popular among medical MJ users.
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: G Wizard
i voted alcohol.
if you abuse alcohol long enough there is a definite phsyical dependency, not just psychological like MJ and to a lesser extent tobacco.

there is a bit of a physical dependency w/ tobacco, but its gone after 2-3 days, the rest is mental, kicking that addiction.

MJ addiction is purely psychological.

so when did they deem inhaling smoke of any kind as good for you? i think they are all equally bad for you physically and psychologically. doesnt matter if its a physical or a mental addiction, its still an addiction. my dad has smoked pot for longer than ive been alive. he was told last year to quit or die. id say that was a long term medical problem with pot there. theres so much BS tossed around about pot on both sides its ridiculous. no, its not as harmful as tobacco. no, its not actually good for you. we can all agree alcohol is bad for you, drink too much in one night and youll die of alcohol poisoning. drink enough and drive poorly, kill yourself and maybe others. smoke pot and go driving, SAME DEAL. maybe kill yourself or others. it DOES slow you down, it DOES affect your judgment. yes, i was a pot smoker for a lot of years. i have kids, and i dont want them to start it at all. they have seen the aftereffects first hand of all 3 (as well as a healthy mix of coke and crackheads), and its not a very pretty sight. just stop pretending pot is good for you and actually does things for you.


what was your father going to die of if he didnt stop the weed?

the doc told him his respiratory closure was due to smoke in his lungs for that long. if he didnt stop, his lungs would shut down completely. i dont even know if it had a "disease" name. doesnt change the fact that he stops about every hour or two and cant breathe, hacking until he almost (and sometimes does) puke. ive had to take my kids home from his house because of these attacks of his, and he has had to scale back his working due to it. he doesnt smoke cigarettes.
 

glutenberg

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Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
so when did they deem inhaling smoke of any kind as good for you?

You obviously don't know that you don't need to inhale smoke to get high. If you use a vaporizor there is no actual smoke.

If it ever becomes legal, I predit Vicks creating the new MJ vapor rub.
 

jdoggg12

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Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
so when did they deem inhaling smoke of any kind as good for you?

You obviously don't know that you don't need to inhale smoke to get high. If you use a vaporizor there is no actual smoke.

which is actually very popular among medical MJ users.

I use one to help me sleep. (I have a card as a result of an accident). I've put a paper filter between the pipe and my mouth and it takes a pretty long time for a residue to form if you use a vape. The bong will darken the paper with a single puff.
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: G Wizard
i voted alcohol.
if you abuse alcohol long enough there is a definite phsyical dependency, not just psychological like MJ and to a lesser extent tobacco.

there is a bit of a physical dependency w/ tobacco, but its gone after 2-3 days, the rest is mental, kicking that addiction.

MJ addiction is purely psychological.

so when did they deem inhaling smoke of any kind as good for you? i think they are all equally bad for you physically and psychologically. doesnt matter if its a physical or a mental addiction, its still an addiction. my dad has smoked pot for longer than ive been alive. he was told last year to quit or die. id say that was a long term medical problem with pot there. theres so much BS tossed around about pot on both sides its ridiculous. no, its not as harmful as tobacco. no, its not actually good for you. we can all agree alcohol is bad for you, drink too much in one night and youll die of alcohol poisoning. drink enough and drive poorly, kill yourself and maybe others. smoke pot and go driving, SAME DEAL. maybe kill yourself or others. it DOES slow you down, it DOES affect your judgment. yes, i was a pot smoker for a lot of years. i have kids, and i dont want them to start it at all. they have seen the aftereffects first hand of all 3 (as well as a healthy mix of coke and crackheads), and its not a very pretty sight. just stop pretending pot is good for you and actually does things for you.

Just because you don't like it MJ doesnt mean it doesn't have it's benefits. I know of not one person who's crashed a car while high. I know more than I can count on two hands who have crashed while drunk, some killing themselves...luckily no1 else. Any type of chronic smoking is going to cause health problems, duh. MJ does have medical uses, and if it were not tested for at my job I'd be using it to alleviate pain and nausea. Everything in moderation...which is a subjective term :)

EDIT: Those who think that 2nd smoke research is BS, get a clue. Not a living person should be regularly ingesting what they put in those things. I have no problem with fresh leaf tobacco being rolled and smoked, but those premade cigs are ******, and cause everyone around you problems.

who said i didnt like it? i smoked for a long time. i also worked as a stage hand for local concerts here in az for 12 years, seen many people that smoke pot on an hourly basis. it does affect them, it does hamper judgment and it does have long term effects on mental capacity and your lungs. ive seen stoned people fall off of towers because they couldnt react as fast as they usually would sober. ive seen accidents of friends that happened while they were baked. just because your lily white world of yuppy pot smoking on weekends doesnt end in tragedy once in a while doesnt make it not happen elsewhere.

You made it clear how you felt. Being a former smoker(same here), do you feel it should be illegal in the way it is now? Is it not a persons right to ingest a chemical that really only effects themselves? You can't make the arguement that alcohol/tobacco should be legal and not MJ...it just doesn't make sense.

legality has no bearing on this conversation, i made no claim to any of them being legal or illegal. but no, i think if the govt is going to bastardize laws to make cigarettes legal and make a killing in taxes off them, they should do the same for pot or not for either of them.
 

hanoverphist

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Originally posted by: Mr Incognito
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
so when did they deem inhaling smoke of any kind as good for you?

You obviously don't know that you don't need to inhale smoke to get high. If you use a vaporizor there is no actual smoke.

lol, havent heard of that before. when i smoked, it was actual smoking. does that take away the mind numbing effects of the drug itself? does that make your judgement not impaired? then it has the same issues as alcohol (may not be on as large a scale, but still there for sure) as in impairment and accident possibility. only stats i have to support this are the many many people ive seen over use it and do stupid things resulting in either hurting themselves or themselves and others.
 

ch33zw1z

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Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: ch33zw1z
Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: G Wizard
i voted alcohol.
if you abuse alcohol long enough there is a definite phsyical dependency, not just psychological like MJ and to a lesser extent tobacco.

there is a bit of a physical dependency w/ tobacco, but its gone after 2-3 days, the rest is mental, kicking that addiction.

MJ addiction is purely psychological.

so when did they deem inhaling smoke of any kind as good for you? i think they are all equally bad for you physically and psychologically. doesnt matter if its a physical or a mental addiction, its still an addiction. my dad has smoked pot for longer than ive been alive. he was told last year to quit or die. id say that was a long term medical problem with pot there. theres so much BS tossed around about pot on both sides its ridiculous. no, its not as harmful as tobacco. no, its not actually good for you. we can all agree alcohol is bad for you, drink too much in one night and youll die of alcohol poisoning. drink enough and drive poorly, kill yourself and maybe others. smoke pot and go driving, SAME DEAL. maybe kill yourself or others. it DOES slow you down, it DOES affect your judgment. yes, i was a pot smoker for a lot of years. i have kids, and i dont want them to start it at all. they have seen the aftereffects first hand of all 3 (as well as a healthy mix of coke and crackheads), and its not a very pretty sight. just stop pretending pot is good for you and actually does things for you.

Just because you don't like it MJ doesnt mean it doesn't have it's benefits. I know of not one person who's crashed a car while high. I know more than I can count on two hands who have crashed while drunk, some killing themselves...luckily no1 else. Any type of chronic smoking is going to cause health problems, duh. MJ does have medical uses, and if it were not tested for at my job I'd be using it to alleviate pain and nausea. Everything in moderation...which is a subjective term :)

EDIT: Those who think that 2nd smoke research is BS, get a clue. Not a living person should be regularly ingesting what they put in those things. I have no problem with fresh leaf tobacco being rolled and smoked, but those premade cigs are ******, and cause everyone around you problems.

who said i didnt like it? i smoked for a long time. i also worked as a stage hand for local concerts here in az for 12 years, seen many people that smoke pot on an hourly basis. it does affect them, it does hamper judgment and it does have long term effects on mental capacity and your lungs. ive seen stoned people fall off of towers because they couldnt react as fast as they usually would sober. ive seen accidents of friends that happened while they were baked. just because your lily white world of yuppy pot smoking on weekends doesnt end in tragedy once in a while doesnt make it not happen elsewhere.

You made it clear how you felt. Being a former smoker(same here), do you feel it should be illegal in the way it is now? Is it not a persons right to ingest a chemical that really only effects themselves? You can't make the arguement that alcohol/tobacco should be legal and not MJ...it just doesn't make sense.

legality has no bearing on this conversation, i made no claim to any of them being legal or illegal. but no, i think if the govt is going to bastardize laws to make cigarettes legal and make a killing in taxes off them, they should do the same for pot or not for either of them.

thanks for answering the question. legality has no bearing, but usually that will show how people really feel about it, and that's what I wanted to know. just an fyi, Laws by state, more and more states are introducing medical MJ plans.
 

Journer

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i voted tobacco but thats only assuming you mean cigarettes and other 'tobacco' products that are more chemical than tobacco

products that are pure tobacco are actually very harmless...especially less harmless than alcohol.
 

imported_bum

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Marijuana isn't even on the list, but I'd put alcohol as significantly more harmful than tobacco (though you could take a different perspective). Alcohol is fairly toxic to your body and you can overdose and die quite easily. I'm pretty sure that's not possible on tobacco. For most people it's not really just the tobacco that harms them, its the nicotine in cigarettes that has them inhaling other chemicals which are far more harmful. Neither one will kill ya in moderation, but both are pretty harmful in excess. I have a little bit of personal experience because I watched my aunt go from an alcoholic to fairly heavy smoker recently. Let me tell you, she is WAAAY better off smoking cigs than having a bottle of wine in her hand all the time.

Note: There is a big difference between cigarette smoke and plain tobacco smoke (through a pipe, etc). Chewed tobacco can cause oral problems, but to what extent I don't know, since I assume most claims I've heard have been exaggerated.

edit: I just read through the thread and saw something that sums up my feelings pretty good: Both alcohol and tobacco have long term negative effects, however alcohol's immediate negative effects, including fatal overdose, cause me to consider it more dangerous.

edit2: I'm not going to start a long debate here, but just to indirectly respond to some comments made, marijuana smoke (even from rolled joints) has been shown to be much less likely to cause cancer than cigarette smoke. Getting high also does not effect your judgment and reaction time the same way alcohol does, either. For example, getting drunk will cause you to drive fast and reckless, while getting high will probably cause you to drive slow and cautiously. There are explanations and studies that support those claims.
 

w3stfa11

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Originally posted by: hanoverphist
Originally posted by: w3stfa11
Tobacco easily. What I hate about alcohol is that a drunk person could kill other people that don't drink, such as a drunk driving accident. But you're talking health, so that doesn't really apply here.

so alcohol shrinking your brain, affecting short term memory as well as killing your liver isnt health problems enough? i bet alcoholism isnt a health issue either right?

smokers can get emphysema and cancer. smoke of any kind in your lungs on a regular basis is bad for you, so that includes pot smoking as well. it will give you long term respiratory issues after years of smoking it just like tobacco will

:confused: I never said alcohol isn't a health problem. I said the fact that those under the influence can kill other people (such as while driving) doesn't apply here, since it's a consequence of alcohol, unrelated to health.
 

Childs

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You guys are insane. Alcohol is the worst. You could die from alcohol poisoning in one night. Alcoholics also have a tendency to harm others, whether its behind the wheel or by abuse. Its also addictive. The only reason you would think its better than tobacco is because there is more anti smoking PSA and what not. And of course alcohol companies can advertise on TV with funny commercials and hot chicks.
 

Conky

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Marijuana can make you end up in jail. If that's not bad for your health then I don't know what is.