Marijuana Poisoning Children in Record Numbers, Study Shows.

[Londo_Jowo]

Confronted with facts, you merely reassert falsehoods.

http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/drugtestguide/drugtestdetection.html

Of course employers love drug testing, even when the results are meaningless wrt job performance. When things go wrong, it lets them shift the blame away from poor training, inadequate safety precautions & so forth onto somebody who wasn't necessarily even impaired at the time.

"He tested positive! It's his fault! Case closed!"

Thank God nobody really wants to know the truth, because that might mean corporate liability.

As for you claims of "poor training, inadequate safety precautions" I haven't worked at a location where the employees didn't have "stop work authority" in the event they felt the work was being performed unsafely or they were exposed to unsafe conditions.

I haven't seen many industrial accidents where the person or persons involved weren't impaired in one way or another. The majority were people who partied too much and had insufficient sleep/rest.

 

[Jhhnn]

What falsehood? It's all about what a jury will believe in the lawsuit following a serious accident. Employee A drove his tractor over employee B severing his right leg, employee A tested positive for THC. It's over at that point, and being the employer, I'll write a huge check. Fuck that. If you want to take a moral stand on the use of the harmless weed, risk your own money, risk your own job, risk your own reputation. Don't even try to call me out because I won't do it for you. For me, it's a liability, an unnecessary risk, and an illegal substance. You'd have to be brain dead to ignore that.

So you're saying that what a jury will believe is the truth, because you think that what you believe is the truth?

Urinalysis does not detect THC. It detects THC-COOH, which is a non-psychoactive metabolite of THC.

Your assertion to the contrary, and the widespread acceptance of the false assertions that urinalysis detects THC are like claiming that metallic sodium and sodium chloride are the same thing. It's a sad commentary on the effectiveness of propaganda among the population of America. It's truthiness, where believing something to be true makes it true in your own mind.

 

[Spungo]

And it looks like it's working.
What can I tell you? If you work at job where you can kill someone by not being 100%, you better not ever get high.

And how many of you forum people have driven while high on prescription pain killers? All of you? Yikes.
I once had to drive after taking dramamine because I started vomiting at work. That was rather terrifying drive home. Good thing police are hassling stoned skateboarders because it diverts their attention away from how dangerous my driving was on dramamine.

had insufficient sleep/rest

That's why dramamine driving was brutal. Soooooooo tired. Reaction time of a 90 year old person with a brain injury. It wouldn't shock me to find that being tired/sedated was responsible for a majority of all accidents in all categories of everything.

 

[Murloc]

Marijuana addiction can exist; it just doesn't create the same physical addition seen in cigarettes, cocaine, etc., and tends to not be very severe.

Moderation is always key.

I agree with these.

It's never severe problems, even for users, but it's still not a problem-free drug. Not saying it's worse than being an alcoholic, but just as functional alcoholism is bad, so is daily use of marijuana, in my perspective.
Some stoners tend to think being baked 24/24 7/7 causes no harm or reduction in mental capabilities to anyone ever.

Also a kid getting an overdose of any other med is probably more dangerous. The issue is just that stoners shouldn't leave space cakes lying around just like a normal cake. Even obvious stuff such as not leaving weapons around isn't respected by some people and kids get killed, at least this is nothing dangerous.

 

[Spungo]

Also a kid getting an overdose of any other med is probably more dangerous. The issue is just that stoners shouldn't leave space cakes lying around just like a normal cake. Even obvious stuff such as not leaving weapons around isn't respected by some people and kids get killed, at least this is nothing dangerous.

At least hank recognizes when he's too high to drive. I've experienced that and it was scary. It felt like the lines on the road were moving so I had to stop at a coffee shop and wait for the Marijuana Poisoning to wear off.

 

[Jhhnn]

As for you claims of "poor training, inadequate safety precautions" I haven't worked at a location where the employees didn't have "stop work authority" in the event they felt the work was being performed unsafely or they were exposed to unsafe conditions.

I haven't seen many industrial accidents where the person or persons involved weren't impaired in one way or another. The majority were people who partied too much and had insufficient sleep/rest.

Heh. And I haven't worked at a location where asserting "stop work authority" didn't put you at the top of the shit list. That's why it's rarely done.

I'll agree with the comment about impairment- impaired by what, and how much? Hangover? Lack of sleep? Preoccupation with marital or money troubles? Anti-anxiety or anti-depression prescription meds? Fever or cold? OTC meds to control the symptoms of allergies or colds?

Impairment is a broad subject. Might want to add cell phone usage to the list, as well.

But finding a harmless non-psychoactive substance in a subject's urine is somehow different, right? Why, of course it is!

 

[Druidx]

Urinalysis does not detect THC. It detects THC-COOH, which is a non-psychoactive metabolite of THC.

Your assertion to the contrary, and the widespread acceptance of the false assertions that urinalysis detects THC are like claiming that metallic sodium and sodium chloride are the same thing. It's a sad commentary on the effectiveness of propaganda among the population of America. It's truthiness, where believing something to be true makes it true in your own mind.

:thumbsup:

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Heh. And I haven't worked at a location where asserting "stop work authority" didn't put you at the top of the shit list. That's why it's rarely done.

Where I work putting someone on the shit list or reprimanding them for exercising their "stop work authority" would result in immediate termination.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Basically, the title of this thread is misleading. It's a lie.

Kids weren't poisoned. They were high.

 

[Greenman]

So you're saying that what a jury will believe is the truth, because you think that what you believe is the truth?

Urinalysis does not detect THC. It detects THC-COOH, which is a non-psychoactive metabolite of THC.

Your assertion to the contrary, and the widespread acceptance of the false assertions that urinalysis detects THC are like claiming that metallic sodium and sodium chloride are the same thing. It's a sad commentary on the effectiveness of propaganda among the population of America. It's truthiness, where believing something to be true makes it true in your own mind.

They detect something that indicates weed, I assumed THC.
You're trying to make a point that doesn't matter to me, about a controlled substance that I don't care about. As long as my insurance company and OSHA say no, then it's no. Why don't you understand that?

 

[xj0hnx]

Heh. When your own link doesn't say what you want it to say, go straight for denial. Standard Conservative headset.

My link demonstrates exactly what I wanted it to say, that the psychoactive content in weed has been increasing over the years. You're the one that trots out super secret connects.

 

[TechBoyJK]

They detect something that indicates weed, I assumed THC.
You're trying to make a point that doesn't matter to me, about a controlled substance that I don't care about. As long as my insurance company and OSHA say no, then it's no. Why don't you understand that?

Wait.. so your way of dipping out of the conversation is to admit you don't know what you are talking about, then say it doesn't matter to you?

Prohibition is a terrible, terrible travesty on the American public, as well as the rest of the world. If you're going to stand up for prohibition, you better know what the fuck you are talking about. If not, and you don't care, stfu. Seriously.

 

[yhelothar]

Still laughing my ass off at "weed withdrawal". Sounds like someone that drink too much coffee. What a joke. Alcohol and opiates have withdrawals, saying weed has withdrawal is fucking insulting to anyone with a brain.

Your pot psychosis is really beginning to show.

Of course depressant withdrawals are going to have intense stimulant effects, that's what happens with withdrawals, you get the opposite effect of the drug.

If you read the reports, it's not some easy walk in the park like drinking an extra cup of coffee that wears off in less than a day. And real caffeine overdose is no laughing matter either, it can and has been fatal.

Stop deluding yourself that pot is completely harmless.

 

[BudAshes]

Your pot psychosis is really beginning to show.

Of course depressant withdrawals are going to have intense stimulant effects, that's what happens with withdrawals, you get the opposite effect of the drug.

If you read the reports, it's not some easy walk in the park like drinking an extra cup of coffee that wears off in less than a day. And real caffeine overdose is no laughing matter either, it can and has been fatal.

Stop deluding yourself that pot is completely harmless.

How come everyone that argues against pot is an idiot? It's because all the smart people either use it or understand that it is the lesser evil of all drugs. Cool avatar btw.

 

[yhelothar]

How come everyone that argues against pot is an idiot? It's because all the smart people either use it or understand that it is the lesser evil of all drugs. Cool avatar btw.

There are a lot of morons who argue against all drugs in moronic ways. But not acknowledging the actual negatives of drugs would only give them credence. Smart people who use drugs use them responsibly, and knowing about the consequences is key to that.

Alex Grey is awesome

 

[TechBoyJK]

Your pot psychosis is really beginning to show.

Of course depressant withdrawals are going to have intense stimulant effects, that's what happens with withdrawals, you get the opposite effect of the drug.

If you read the reports, it's not some easy walk in the park like drinking an extra cup of coffee that wears off in less than a day. And real caffeine overdose is no laughing matter either, it can and has been fatal.

Stop deluding yourself that pot is completely harmless.

It's not harmless, but it's along the same lines as saying diet soda isn't harmless.

So the potential for harm is there, but that harm is mitigated by common sense. To quote you further 'Smart people who use drugs use them responsibly'. I concur. Education is key.

And withdrawals for cannabis are so mild, that less than approx 10% (based on several reputable studies) of the heaviest users show/experience withdrawals of any significance. And those withdrawals tend to relate to the psychological anxiety caused by not fulfilling the habit. Not an actual chemical dependence. Basically, the withdrawal 'is all in their head'.

Just like if you are used to surfing everyday, and you hurt your shoulder and have to sit it out for a few days. You're so used to surfing everyday, that you get anxious sitting around when you can't do it.

In all regards, withdrawal from caffeinated coffee (or any strong caffeinated drink) is remarkably harder to deal with for the typical user. I used to smoke pot everyday, and it was never an issue for me to 'not do it'. I just wasn't high and felt sober. I like my sobriety too, so I was never upset about not being high. I like it, but I don't need it.

Now.. energy drinks on the other hand. I used to drink energy drinks everday (redbull, monster) and if I stopped doing it for just a day, I'd get a massive headache, I'd be irritable, and I just wouldn't feel good. Having experienced both types of 'withdrawal', I firmly believe caffeine is remarkably more 'addictive' in every sense of the word.

 

[Kadarin]

Smart people who use drugs use them responsibly, and knowing about the consequences is key to that.

Use of drugs is not the same thing as abuse of drugs. However, in the minds of those who would keep it all illegal, any use = abuse.

 

[kage69]

Obviously, you weren't there. I was. We were smoking Thai sticks in 1969, along with vietnamese black, pakistani & afghani hash as well, in between mostly mexibrick. Then as now, you just had to have the right connections.

What's happened with cannabis breeding has been selection & hybridization of potent varieties both for proper flowering in long day length northern latitudes & shorter stature for indoor growing. Back in the 60's, very potent weed was always imported from the tropics, hashish from places where it has been produced for hundreds of years. There has also been a lot of european & american discovery of potent strains that existed for a millenia or more in places like Malawi, S Africa, S India & so forth. None of them are significantly more potent than Thai, Vietnamese, or the best Colombian of the 70's, just with a somewhat different effect.

My little brother and his buddy (both potheads) educated me on the infamous "Thai stick" last time I was Florida. I had always figured it was just the nom de guerre of weed from Thailand, or an actual strain name. Turns out Thai stick (the real stuff anyway) is not just potent Thai weed, it has gone through the process of being wrapped around sticks then let to dry, then the sticks are put in a pan containing a by product liquid from making heroin. The weed soaks up all kinds of left over opiates, and then is allowed to dry again. So you're not just getting THC when you smoke that stuff.


Sounds kinda scary if you ask me. Nooooo thanks!

 

[yhelothar]

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It's not harmless, but it's along the same lines as saying diet soda isn't harmless.

So the potential for harm is there, but that harm is mitigated by common sense. To quote you further 'Smart people who use drugs use them responsibly'. I concur. Education is key.

And withdrawals for cannabis are so mild, that less than approx 10% (based on several reputable studies) of the heaviest users show/experience withdrawals of any significance. And those withdrawals tend to relate to the psychological anxiety caused by not fulfilling the habit. Not an actual chemical dependence. Basically, the withdrawal 'is all in their head'.

Just like if you are used to surfing everyday, and you hurt your shoulder and have to sit it out for a few days. You're so used to surfing everyday, that you get anxious sitting around when you can't do it.

In all regards, withdrawal from caffeinated coffee (or any strong caffeinated drink) is remarkably harder to deal with for the typical user. I used to smoke pot everyday, and it was never an issue for me to 'not do it'. I just wasn't high and felt sober. I like my sobriety too, so I was never upset about not being high. I like it, but I don't need it.

Now.. energy drinks on the other hand. I used to drink energy drinks everday (redbull, monster) and if I stopped doing it for just a day, I'd get a massive headache, I'd be irritable, and I just wouldn't feel good. Having experienced both types of 'withdrawal', I firmly believe caffeine is remarkably more 'addictive' in every sense of the word.

You sound like you're talking about your personal anecdotes. Those are a lot of claims you are making without backing them up with actual studies. Those claims directly contradict the studies I've linked and the user reports I've linked as well.

When I stopped weed after heavy usage, I felt incredible anxiety as if I was doing an intense cardio workout and I couldn't push any harder anymore, only except in the cardio workout, when you get to that stage, you can just stop and rest. With pot withdrawals, it felt like I wanted to "stop and rest," but I wasn't moving to begin with. The only way to do so would be to smoke more pot.
Many people in the self-reports mention about intense anxiety so it's not just me either.

 

[yhelothar]

Use of drugs is not the same thing as abuse of drugs. However, in the minds of those who would keep it all illegal, any use = abuse.

I agree, but on the flip side, denying any negative effects is essentially setting yourself up for abuse.

 

[TechBoyJK]

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You sound like you're talking about your personal anecdotes. Those are a lot of claims you are making without backing them up with actual studies. Those claims directly contradict the studies I've linked and the user reports I've linked as well.

When I stopped weed after heavy usage, I felt incredible anxiety as if I was doing an intense cardio workout and I couldn't push any harder anymore, only except in the cardio workout, when you get to that stage, you can just stop and rest. With pot withdrawals, it felt like I wanted to "stop and rest," but I wasn't moving to begin with. The only way to do so would be to smoke more pot.
Many people in the self-reports mention about intense anxiety so it's not just me either.

Well, I did directly mention my personal experience and I did state it can/will cause anxiety in many cases. My point was that the anxiety is mostly in your head; it's not a physical dependance withdrawal unlike caffeine. The < 10% stat I mentioned was in regards to chemical dependence withdrawal. If I have time, I'll dig up the studies I'm referring to. I'll check out your links when I get a chance. I've seen some studies that contradict the studies I'm referring to, but they were mostly from clearly biased organizations, like 'drug free america', etc. that have a vested interest in spreading prohibition influenced misinformation.

 

[zinfamous]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA . . . b-r-e-a-t-h-e ...


BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA he said ... HAHAHAHAHAHA ....weed withdrawal!!! ...b-r-e-a-t-h-e .....BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

^^ I laughed a lot.


But I do agree that the effects on wee kids will be quite a bit different than on adults. THC is a natural insecticide, after all, and only ever evolved to kill off bugs through neurological toxicity.

Don't forget that hundreds of years of cultivation is concentrating THC. Hell, all of the natural drugs that we like are, indeed, "poisons." This is why we enjoy the effects...

 

[piasabird]

MJ must be banned. Oh, we tried that once.

 

[piasabird]

Some of the component chemicals from MJ are stored in the fat cells and builds up over time. So even if you stop using it will take months to clean your system out. This is why DRUG SCREENINGS are so effective in targeting abusers of MJ.

 

[woolfe9998]

Still laughing my ass off at "weed withdrawal". Sounds like someone that drink too much coffee. What a joke. Alcohol and opiates have withdrawals, saying weed has withdrawal is fucking insulting to anyone with a brain.

Yup, I used it quite regularly for 2 years in college, and quit with little difficulty. I can't recall anything remotely akin to a "withdrawal." I know what withdrawal is. I've experienced it trying to quit nicotine. It's an entirely different thing than just quitting something you enjoy doing and missing it for awhile. Cigarettes were 1000x more difficult to kick than pot. It isn't even close.