Marijuana lowers IQ permanently study says

[Bowfinger]

Not sure what connection you're trying to show.

That only reinforces my speculation. It's not a difficult point to understand. You blast them for dismissing the validity of this study because it's not what they want to believe, yet you yourself are one of the worst offenders, as I showed with the two recent quotes. You refuse to consider anything you disagree with.

I dismissed opinion articles because they were drivel. Now I laugh at those who rave over the results of a study because they don't like the result. No hypocrisy found. ...

Case in point. I think everyone else can find the hypocrisy quite easily. You are just as guilty as they are of rejecting information that contradicts what you feel to be true.

 

[rudder]

There's a cnn.com article on this here: http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/27/health/health-teen-pot/index.html?hpt=hp_c2

This article has another aspect to the story that is not mentioned in the links presented in the OP:



So no definitive conclusions can yet be drawn.

This doesn't seem like a real scientific analysis... for all we know these people's diets or whatever could have caused an IQ loss. Seems to me you would need more that two IQ tests over a period of 20 years to get a little better data. This goes along with monitoring the subjects a little closer.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Gambling addict? hahahaha Me thinks you'll have to learn what addiction means. I'm about as far removed from addiction as there is. Fail again, as usual. Good thing you have an excuse though 😉

From the guy with screen name that says "when it comes to gambling, I'm your guy"....

All dopers are addicts right?
All poker players are gambling addicts, right?

 

[diesbudt]

This doesn't seem like a real scientific analysis... for all we know these people's diets or whatever could have caused an IQ loss. Seems to me you would need more that two IQ tests over a period of 20 years to get a little better data. This goes along with monitoring the subjects a little closer.

Correct.

A good study includes

A) Removal of all variables besides the one being looked at
B) Has points along the experiment in which it can go back and refer to see progress (aka more tests along the useage, and not just 2)
C) Be repeatable by others.

 

[modestninja]

Well unlike tobacco and marijuana, the only chemicals alcohol smoking brings is ethanol (doesnt harm lungs as it enters the blood stream), water (naturally found in the body) and 1-2 other chemicals that don't harm the body.

If your curious on how to do this is:

1) Put a sauce pan on the stove
2) Set the temperature high enough (around 100*F) to boil the ethanol, but not much else
3) Put towel over head and pan with enough openings to allow air in also (as you do need oxygen to not pass out...)
4) Inhale

That isn't smoking. That's evaporating the ethanol which actually sounds really dangerous compared to drinking it. Smoking involves combustion of the substance so if you truly "smoked" ethanol, besides the burns and the water in your lungs, you'd be fine:

C2H5OH + 3O2 → 2CO2 + 3H2O

 

[monovillage]

The irony about you talking about somone else's iq is that you're so stupid, you thought an onion style article was actually real. Are you stupid because of marijauana or were you just born that way?

So did First, i'll look forward to you putting this in his next post.

 

[OutHouse]

But the booze, cigarettes, meth and X they'd use instead are all A-OK!

The pragmatists like me who want to legalize marijuana still want it to be regulated and taxed like alcohol and tobacco, not to have it added to school lunches.

And no, I don't use any drugs other than caffeine.

i guess you missed this part?

Researchers found persistent users of the drug, who started smoking it at school, had lower IQ scores as adults.

 

[diesbudt]

That isn't smoking. That's evaporating the ethanol which actually sounds really dangerous compared to drinking it. Smoking involves combustion of the substance so if you truly "smoked" ethanol, besides the burns and the water in your lungs, you'd be fine:

C2H5OH + 3O2 → 2CO2 + 3H2O + energy

edit: You forgot the most important part in a combustion equation fyi 😛
(and if you want to get really difficult, these reactions don't go to completeion but an equalibrium state, and will also have some fractions of other equations such as Carbon Monoxide (CO) being made with the products being H2O and O2. (Oxygen is used in the combustion, but oxygen atoms leaving the ethanol from the energy from the combustion recreates an oxygen molecule.)

Well dont put your face DIRECTLY over it... Keep it 2 feet away, the fumes will be no hotter than the air around you.

Dangerous? Well duh... it is alcohol, and you concentrated fumes in an area. A good spark/light can cause an explosion. But it does force the ethanol into your system much faster. So people have been known to do it (I do not recommend it)

If you want to define it strictly, yes it isn't smoked. But it is breathing in the "smoke" of the boiling ethanol. Same as 2nd hand smoke from a cigarette, and research has popularized that in terms of "smoking x cigarettes." when it comes to how much one breathed in.

 

[OutHouse]

Well considering alcohol has 0 harmful effects on the small scale I referenced, but a few positive effects. Makes it "as good if not better" than marijuana as there seems to be so few if none negative effects, but also only positive effect is stress relief, which can be found in other things than marijuana. While the other is not true on Alcohol, other than excercise and eating healthy.

Not saying marijuana is bad. But for everything we know about alcohol and marijuana (since we dont know near as much about marijuana as we do alcohol) alcohol trumps marijuana if used sparenly in a healthy manner.

Also it is possible, may just be inconceivable since it is so much and may take some short cuts that means more than just injesting it. Because one can overdose on anything, even water.

why are you on the defend alcohol soapbox?? your post are just plain ignorance. Alcohol is a poison to the body and no you can not OD on pot, also pot gives pain relief to those that are intolerant to opiates.

 

[Texashiker]

Well considering alcohol has 0 harmful effects on the small scale I referenced, but a few positive effects.

That is not true.

In some people, small amounts of alcohol can raise blood pressure.

Someone that already has high blood pressure or diabetes, the rise caused by alcohol can be harmful to small blood vessels, such as the kidneys. Alcohol can also interfere with diabetes medication.

http://www.americandiabetes.com/liv...utrition-articles/mixing-diabetes-and-alcohol

 

[xj0hnx]

Gambling addict? hahahaha Me thinks you'll have to learn what addiction means. I'm about as far removed from addiction as there is. Fail again, as usual. Good thing you have an excuse though 😉

Denial, one of the first stage's of addiction.

 

[TechBoyJK]

Denial, one of the first stage's of addiction.

I know.. it's kind of funny coming from a guy who has a screen name about gambling.

 

[shira]

Let's take as a given that regular marijuana use is harmful to health. So what?

Lots of things are harmful to health, but are legal - obesity, diets high in saturated fat, smoking, alcohol, sunbathing, football, un-protected sex. And I guarantee that marijuana is a lot less harmful to health than any of the other harmful things I've listed.

As long as people who engage in dangerous behaviors (1) aren't also endangering others and (2) do it with their eyes open, government should mind its own business.

 

[Texashiker]

Let's take as a given that regular marijuana use is harmful to health. So what?

Its just more propaganda pushed by an outdated mindset.

Whats sad, is a whole generation (or 2) will have to die before society changes its opinion. By that, I mean the baby boomers should have legalized pot a long time ago.

After the baby boomers die off, I suspect society will legalize pot.

 

[PokerGuy]

I know.. it's kind of funny coming from a guy who has a screen name about gambling.

:biggrin: Yes, the screen name is indicative of an addiction.

Thanks for the entertainment though. You dopers are funny.

 

[PokerGuy]

Let's take as a given that regular marijuana use is harmful to health. So what?

Lots of things are harmful to health, but are legal - obesity, diets high in saturated fat, smoking, alcohol, sunbathing, football, un-protected sex. And I guarantee that marijuana is a lot less harmful to health than any of the other harmful things I've listed.

I agree completely, there are plenty of legal things that are just as dumb. Eating a Big Mac is dumb but millions of people do it anyway because they enjoy it. Just because something is dumb doesn't mean you shouldn't be allowed to do it....

What I find fascinating is the degree to which dopers will go to try and pretend that what they do isn't dumb.

 

[berzerker60]

The most obvious problem with this study for me is that "IQ" isn't a real thing. There's no number you can assign to someone to meaningfully measure and compare intelligence. You can compare ability to solve specific types of word or math problems within a time frame, and you can test memory in different ways, or some other quantitative things that are some part of "intelligence," but the only consistent thing about IQ tests is that IQ tests are, at best, extremely problematic indicators.

 

[PokerGuy]

That only reinforces my speculation. It's not a difficult point to understand. You blast them for dismissing the validity of this study because it's not what they want to believe, yet you yourself are one of the worst offenders, as I showed with the two recent quotes. You refuse to consider anything you disagree with.

Apparently you've been toking for a while too, you lack the ability to see a distinction between an opinion piece and medical research.

 

[PokerGuy]

The most obvious problem with this study for me is that "IQ" isn't a real thing. There's no number you can assign to someone to meaningfully measure and compare intelligence. You can compare ability to solve specific types of word or math problems within a time frame, and you can test memory in different ways, or some other quantitative things that are some part of "intelligence," but the only consistent thing about IQ tests is that IQ tests are, at best, extremely problematic indicators.

IQ itself might not be a good measure of intelligence, but its at least some approximation of cognitive abilities, no matter how flawed. I don't see how anyone would be surprised that needlessly exposing your brain to drugs while it is still developing could have lasting negative consequences.

 

[Smoblikat]

Well, then how did I finish high school while attending college at night school AND maintain my own small business along with an internship at a global company? The answer:
ALIENS

Pot kills no braincells, while alcohol murders your brain and liver. If it wasnt already illegal noone would make these BS studies.

 

[Smoblikat]

IQ itself might not be a good measure of intelligence, but its at least some approximation of cognitive abilities, no matter how flawed. I don't see how anyone would be surprised that needlessly exposing your brain to drugs while it is still developing could have lasting negative consequences.

I hope you include legal drugs in your thinking, doctors are diagnosing ADD and ADHD like its going out of style, I know a kid thats been on adderoll since he was 8.

 

[modestninja]

Apparently you've been toking for a while too, you lack the ability to see a distinction between an opinion piece and medical research.

So far no one has linked any medical research, just an opinion piece about a study that seems rather flawed from some of the comments in the article. Given how badly the media usually mangles the articles around any scientific study, it seems like about the same thing to me.

 

[PokerGuy]

So far no one has linked any medical research, just an opinion piece about a study that seems rather flawed from some of the comments in the article. Given how badly the media usually mangles the articles around any scientific study, it seems like about the same thing to me.

The discussion was about the results of the study, or at least the purported results of the study. It wasn't just someone's opinion about what effects pot might have on teens who smoke it. Flawed or not, a study is not the same as an opinion piece.

 

[PokerGuy]

I hope you include legal drugs in your thinking, doctors are diagnosing ADD and ADHD like its going out of style, I know a kid thats been on adderoll since he was 8.

I very much include legal ones. Biology/chemistry/neurology don't care about legal or not. I don't have any doubt that there are significant negative impacts to using those drugs in the long run as well (especially for young kids who's minds are developing). The issue there is, are the possible negative consequences worse than the consequences of not using those drugs?

 

[TechBoyJK]

:biggrin: Yes, the screen name is indicative of an addiction.

Thanks for the entertainment though. You dopers are funny.

Just FYI - http://www.gamblingaddiction.org/