what would it take to change pot smokers from their addiction? There seam to be some smokers in this thread, I was just wondering what it would take before they put the bud down.
why is the question? if someone smokes it relentlessly and cant control themself then i think that person has another mental problem and it isnt about the weed, that person needs to seek real help and not just self medicate..you cant ignore mental problems just because a certain thing makes you feel better temporarily..i dont see anything wrong with people getting high once or twice a week if they enjoy it
if you want to know a real reason to quit, its your dental health..it sure as heck is not good for your teeth
and as another person said, vaporizers eliminate much of this, but the problem is that they can't go more mainstream without the government backing off of their ridiculous anti-pot stance
The point really isn't when they will put it down, it's more a factor of are they being responsible in the use? We let people consume things that are detrimental to their health all the time, such as fast food, alcohol, and smoking. Yet through moderation and responsible use you can engage in all of these activities, and live a fairly normal life. If the use of drugs does not impact a persons ability to be a productive citizen, then who really cares? Did I care that Bob had a double bacon cheese burger for lunch? Now if he ate nothing but double bacon cheeseburgers every day, breakfast, lunch, and dinner I would be concerned about Bobs' health.
40Hands
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Anti-pot people never really have anything to say except:
It's illegal because it's bad and it's bad because it's illegal.
With other methods of getting THC other then smoking it they don't even have the "bad for your health" argument.
If people want to do it, let them. You don't have to.
It's illegal because it's bad and it's bad because it's illegal.
With other methods of getting THC other then smoking it they don't even have the "bad for your health" argument.
If people want to do it, let them. You don't have to.
Pot addiction? Did you grow up watching Reefer Madness? People will put down there pipes as soon as people stop drinking or smoking cigs. It'll never happen. It's appealing to me because I'll be able to stop smoking pot much easier then it'll be for me to stop smoking cigs. Lets look at it another way, my medical standpoint. I have asthma and severe allergies, 4 prescriptions total (Advair x2 daily, cingulair, zyrtec, maxair). I have also been diagnosed with ADHD, and acute anxiety attacks, all of which I was prescribed medication (adderol, valium/xanix). So thats, what, 7 perscriptions a day? Right. I smoke pot because it replaces:
Advair, Cingulair, Maxair (my emergency inhaler), I havn't used since I started smoking pot. I use a vaporier so there is no smoke. Marijuana studies have shown that MJ can help with asthma. In fact MJ was used as an asthma med before prohabition.
http://www.everyonedoesit.co.uk/cannabi...bis_health_therapeutic_uses_asthma.cfm
ADHD - instead of adderol I'll smoke once a day (at night). I stay calm the next day and get increasingly off my rocker the longer I go. There are studies about treating ADHD with MJ and Oregon has been asked to change there laws to reflect this.
http://www.lightparty.com/Health/MedicalMarijuana6A.HTML
Anxiety - Again, Marijuana has calming properties that soothe my anxiety. Again studies are being done on this. Am I starting to make a point?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2002/12/021202071928.htm
And at the end of the day I'm treating these conditions with something I can grow in my backyard for free. No going to the pharmacy and dropping over $100 a month (w/ excellent insurance) for me. I havent even hit on the properties of the cannabis plant, such as fuel:
http://cannabisnews.com/news/18/thread18671.shtml
or as a textile:
http://www.hemptech.com/
so dare I say, maybe the problem isin't with "pot smokers", maybe it's something else...
http://www.mpp.org/arrests/fas61699.html
moshquerade
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meltdown75
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Seriously, is this "guy" you know part of some kind of sick experiment?!Originally posted by: Saysys
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Do studies also suggest that very few people smoke a pack of joints a day?
Not that I'm a big fan of smoking weed, just trying to make sure that when you are considering all the facts, you are considering ALL the facts
http://mt.gov/revenue/programsandservices/onestop-cigarette.asp
"1.80 ounces of ...tobacco constitutes one pack of cigarettes"
I know a guy that'll go through a QP in 3 days with no trouble at all, which is the same as smoking over a pack a day: standard stoner.
Standard stoner!! That's rich!! :laugh:
I guess it MIGHT be physically possible... actually, check that. I doubt it could be done. No one could smoke that much in 3 days.
I think it will be a little hard to compare cigarettes, beer, and fast food to pot. I can go down to the gas station buy beer and cigarettes. I can then drive to the burger joint while smoking the cigarettes. I can then eat the burger with extra cheese if I care to all with in the plain view of a police officer.
If we are to observe the addictive nature of a product, we cannot base addiction only on the frequency of its use. We must also measure it in the cost of the product, as well as any obstacles to the use of that product.
I do not use pot anymore, because I felt that the time and resources it took to obtain were not worth the high. I take it since you currently use pot there is something in its use that you are willing to bet your current career/house/car and whatever else they decide to confiscate. Not only that but you are willing to pay a high price just for the product itself. I can get a hamburger for about $1. The same can't be said for pot. You are also willing to go to an illegal dealer for the product. Something I wouldn?t have to do with my alcohol, cigarettes, or hamburger.
After observing all of these risks you take just to puff the weed. I do consider it to be addictive.
I think your kind of exagerating the risks involved in obtaining and using pot these days. In most states it's already semi-decriminalized at least for possession. If your not selling or growing there really is very little risk of getting busted unless your extremely careless and go around advertising or leaving roaches in your car etc. I'm not saying there's no risk, but it's not at all in the same league as obtaining and using something like heroin.
I believe most people that use pot buy it from a friend who sells on the side in small quantities. What I mean by that is that they don't really deal with the stereotypical shady 'drug dealer' or have to drive to the ghetto and make a risky street buy.
The biggest risk I see is employer drug testing, which is one of the reasons I think a lot of people stop smoking pot as they get older and have a career thats not worth risking.
Not being able to buy it down at the local gas station, not being able to consume it without fear of the law and associated repercussions, high prices and shady sources are all simply side effects of prohibition.
These are the exact same problems society had with prohibition of alcohol and is what built American organized crime in the 30s.
Yes I wasn't argueing that fact. I think it should be legal. However I was comminting on the fact that a few people think that it is not addictive. I see any activity where you risk so much for so little to be addictive. The people who bought alcohol and fattened the walets of organized crime in the 30's IMHO had an addiction.
But you are actually proof that your concept of addiction is off base. You stopped because it became a burden or too expensive. If pot we're addictive as you state then wouldn't you be puffing on a joint right now despite the previously mentioned burdens?
Like I mentioned earlier most people stop smoking pot once they get older and it becomes more of a burden than its worth. This is the exact opposite of tobacco which we all know is truly addicting. Most older smokers reached that point where smoking cigs has become much more of a burden than a pleasure and they would like to quit, but they can't overcome their addiction.
I'm sorry to say I find your logic silly. IMHO the people who bought alcohol during prohibition were simply exercising civil disobedience against a ridiculous and unjust law. Do you really believe everyone who drank alcohol during prohibition was in fact an alcoholic?
BTW, cannabis has been shown time and again NOT be to physically addictive, unlike nicotine or caffeine for example. Cannabis, like ANY pleasure giving substance whether it be drugs, alcohol, chocolate, McDonalds, sex, etc, can be psychologically addicting especially to those predisposed to addiction.
That may hold some truth. Perhaps my perception of addiction IS off base. Alot of people consider cigarettes to be addictive; I have smoked those and now I don't, I haven't for years. I never said you can't get through addiction, just that i consider pot to be an addictive substance.
Yeah some people can overcome addictions easier than others. But overall if you took 2 large groups of people and had 1 smoke pot and 1 smoke tobacco everyday for a prolonged basis you can bet the bank that the people in the pot group will be able to quit a hell of a lot easier than the tobacco group.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that they where alcoholics but I do believe they had an addiction if they could not go with out it. I mean it is a poison, it's not like your body needs the stuff.
I guess I would be talking about the psychological addiction of pot.
2Xtreme21
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That's pretty much what I got out of his argument.
But using your logic, anything that involves going to lengths to get something is addictive as well. So if I drive to a supermarket that is 5 miles away to get a carton of milk that is cheaper than at a convenience store that is 2 miles away, I'm addicted to bargain hunting? I suppose I am because I'm willing to go out of my way, which involves a few extra cents of gas, an increased risk of an accident or being pulled over by the cops, an increased risk of unexpected traffic, and all around taking a longer time to have the pleasure of paying less for it.
I think you should try to find a better phrase than "pot addict" to call me if you're going to use that definition.
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