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Saysys

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Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
Originally posted by: Saysys
Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
Occasional drinking leads to raging alcoholism.
Occasional eating of fast food leads to overconsumption and massive obesity.
Occasional porn viewing leads to compulsive porn viewing and sex crimes.

WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE! NOOOOOOO!

I was with you t'll the "Noooooooo!"

Why didn't anyone inform me life was so dangerous? :(

see, now you know:
update! i just confirmed with him that he personally downs a lb a month, other 3 guys the rest of it.


So lets get this straight, Now world of warcraft is a gateway to pot
QFT
shouldn?t i drop the dime on this guy?
wait.. that's more of an OT question.
 

Mean MrMustard

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Originally posted by: Saysys
Originally posted by: skooma
I thought it was a gateway to heroin :p

Seriously, alcohol is a far worse drug than weed. LOL, they won't even give you a bed in a detox for weed while theres waiting list for drunks.

they can't set aside the 30 days it takes to detox from pot!

You do know that 30 days isn't all that accurate, right? It all depends on your weight, the amount you smoked, the frequency you smoke, and the quality of the stuff you smoked.

For a typical stoner 30 days would be a decent rule of thumb. Assuming your friend smokes as much as you say he does *cough*Bullshit *cough*, he'd have to wait quite a bit longer than 30 days. That, my friend, is NOT the typical stoner.
 

Saysys

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Originally posted by: Donny Baker
Originally posted by: Saysys
Originally posted by: skooma
I thought it was a gateway to heroin :p

Seriously, alcohol is a far worse drug than weed. LOL, they won't even give you a bed in a detox for weed while theres waiting list for drunks.

they can't set aside the 30 days it takes to detox from pot!

You do know that 30 days isn't all that accurate, right? It all depends on your weight, the amount you smoked, the frequency you smoke, and the quality of the stuff you smoked.

For a typical stoner 30 days would be a decent rule of thumb. Assuming your friend smokes as much as you say he does *cough*Bullshit *cough*, he'd have to wait quite a bit longer than 30 days. That, my friend, is NOT the typical stoner.

what is?
 

umbrella39

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Oh here come that pot is bad thread again. I see far more people in the ER from drinking in 1 day than I will see from weed in 1 year. Get over yourself OP. After all the old sh!t heads die off, then pot will, like it should, be legalized.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Marijuana kills? Federal drug agencies/offices have spent millions trying to finger pot for a death and have come up with nada. Yet there's been quite a few studies demonstrating the medical benefits and relatively benign side effect profile of pot.

MJ's primary negatives:
1) you got to smoke it
2) addiction
3) psychosis

#1 Despite the fact people are deeply inhaling and HOLDING smoke . . . regular MJ users do not develop cancer at a rate higher than nonusers and certainly nothing even close to cigarette smokers. We don't know why but it's pretty clear that smoking MJ ain't gonna kill you like the cancer sticks from RJR.

The link between regular MJ smoking and lung dz (bronchitis, emphysema) is sketchy as well. One confounding issue is that almost every study uses a different definition of what a "regular" smoker tokes like. Some call 1x/mo regular while others may go as far as daily. Some of those people may take four hits, look for some Doritos, and then pass out. The only way such a user's health is threatened by MJ use is if they pass out in the guacamole and die of asphyxiation.

#2 The gateway argument has been dead for a long time. Best evidence is that there's a host of genes that certainly predispose people to substance use and abuse . . . and quite a few environmental factors as well. But when it comes to issues of addiction and gateways . . . the top dogs are cigarettes and alcohol. If you keep people (kids) from smoking and drinking . . . they are FAR less likely to progress to marijuana and then on to harder substances.

You can indeed become addicted to MJ but the abuse potential is relatively mild even with the potent weed on the market.

3) ~1% of the population is genetically susceptible to psychosis. Those people should avoid MJ. Unfortunately, we usually don't know ahead of time who these people are. Everyone has cannabinoid receptors in their brain (CB1, CB2, possibly others). People with schizophrenia have a higher density of these receptors in the posterior cingulate cortex of the brain. We don't know exactly what that means but a good guess is that "bad wiring" is what links MJ to psychotic episodes . . . as opposed to the propaganda that MJ causes psychosis.

On a positive note, the blockade of CB1 receptors is an active area of research for a variety of conditions. The first drug should hit the market in Europe this year (Acomplia-rimonabant) for the treatment of obesity. My guess is that some French pharmacologists were toking away and hitting some brie/baguette . . . when one said, "I wonder if we could block the munchie receptor?" This thing has blockbuster written all over it. Granted, half the people stop taking it after a year. The most common complaints are upset stomach and anxiety . . . go figure.

It looks like approval in the US may be held up by the name. Allegedly, FDA told the manufacturer, Sanofi-aventis, that "Acomplia" sounded too positive . . . so the company is kicking around a couple other names for the US lauch which will probably be Q4.
 

sandorski

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When I was smoking pot me and 4 or 5 friends would go through an 1/8 ounce/day and we would be stoned out of our heads(BC Bud 4tw). It doesn't take much to get totally wasted.
 

Steeplerot

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Ok so this guy the OP "knows" smokes 3 pounds a month.

Lets do some math, that is 1/8 of a OZ 50$ of weed. 8*48 348 eights in a month. (A eighth is about a weeks worth for a semi-heavy smoker) Now, street value. $17,400 of dope he is doing in his parents house a MONTH. (An alleged $208,800 a year weed habit) :laugh:

Get this, he smokes 11.6 1/8ths a day then. Say there are a dozen bowls in a 1/8 that is around 144 bowls smoked in a day. And of course this guy would be sleeping a lot.

So how does it do it? Every bowl would give you a few puffs, maybe half a dozen.

So this "friend" takes 844 hits of MJ a day.

This is total BS. I couldnt even imagine PACKING 144 bowls, after like your 10th you would fall freakin asleep, even if it is total schwag mexi.

Just breaking up your smoke and packing 144 bowls would take all day I would think. Sleep? No. Do anything else? No. Even smoke it? No. Not enough time. Lets not even get into how much cleaning of a VERY clogged pipe he would have to deal with.
 

FrancesBeansRevenge

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot

I have a bum knee from the service and spent 4 days home after twisting it good a few months ago on the subway, I smoked my brains out as someone gave me some as we cant afford medication

(And yes, it did help with pain greatly, and the guy at the corner store loved me as I bought him out of reeces cups that week.)

Indeed. This is one of the factors keeping cannabis prohibition in place. The pharma industry, and thus the government via the industry's very powerful lobby, wants you taking their chemicals not something you can grow for next to nothing in your back yard.

Take aspirin for example... I refer to an interview with Dr. Lester Grinspoon, assoc. professor emeritus of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School, and this quote:
LG: Aspirin is ?safe,? although it claims between 1,000-2,000 people per year. With cannabis, it?s been around for thousands of years. There has never been a death ? never been a death. Is there any other substance in the pharmacoepia about which you can make that claim? I?m not sure there is.

Feel free to use their criminally priced poisons (if you can afford them) but got forbid you use a substance used in medicine for thousands of years, that can be grown in a backyard (and therefore can't be regulated or taxed), and has as safe a record in that long medicinal history as any medication has in it's history.

You belong in prison Steeplerot, for you have circumvented the system and deprived corporations of their rightful profits in easing your suffering.
 

ericlp

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Originally posted by: Saysys
Originally posted by: rdubbz420
Originally posted by: Saysys
prosecution and informing people about the dangers of there lifestyle choices are two different things.

I?m sure we can find something ?not good? that you do OP. Maybe alcohol, caffeine, chocolate, bacon, who knows, but I?m sure there is something.

of course, but i don't mind at all when people bring up new data about dumb stuff i do, i prefer to be fully informed.


Doing your research to "INFORM" people is pretty sad. Hell I read "this" artical on the pot out of WIRED mag....

Mary Jane Trumps Joe Camel

By Mary Beckman
ScienceNOW Daily News
23 May 2006

It seems logical that inhaling enough smoke will give you lung cancer. But a new study of Los Angeles residents suggests that smoking marijuana--even more than 22,000 joints in a lifetime--doesn't increase cancer risk. The results surprise many researchers, who point out marijuana has other ill health effects.


Decades of research have shown that cigarette smoking dramatically increases the risk of certain cancers. But controversy surrounds the risk of smoking weed. A 1999 study of blood donors suggested a link between marijuana and head and neck cancer, but a larger study in 2004 found no such connection. Still, work in the lab suggests marijuana can be dangerous. For example, pot smoke contains more of some cancer-causing chemicals than cigarettes do, thanks to the filterless nature of joints.


In hopes of settling the debate, pulmonologist Donald Tashkin of the University of California, Los Angeles, and colleagues assembled the largest study to date. They identified cancer patients through the University of Southern California Tumor Registry, which compiles cancer data in Los Angeles County. From 1999 to 2003, 611 Los Angelinos age 60 and under came down with lung cancer, and 601 developed head and neck cancers, each a kind of malignancy that smokers would most likely suffer from. The team then identified more than 1000 control individuals in L.A. who did not have cancer. The researchers matched these individuals to cancer patients by age, gender, and other factors such as the neighborhood in which they lived. In confidential interviews, Tashkin's group determined marijuana usage as well as other risk factors for cancer such as cigarette smoking.


Statistical analysis revealed that smoking joints did not increase the risk of coming down with these cancers. About half of cancer patients and controls smoked marijuana, but more than 80% of cancer patients were current or former cigarette smokers. Even heavy tokers--who reported smoking a total of about 22,000 joints over their lifetime--did not have increased risk compared to nonsmokers. The researchers will present their findings tomorrow at the American Thoracic Society International Conference in San Diego.


The results surprised Tashkin. "I wouldn't give [marijuana] a clean bill of health, but at least this study says if there is a risk, it's very small," he says. Still, he says, marijuana has been shown to suppress the immune system and may increase the risk of pneumonia.


As for why marijuana use doesn't seem to increase cancer risk, pulmonary critical care researcher John Hansen-Flaschen of the University of Pennsylvania points out that cigarette smokers puff a lot more cigarettes than do marijuana users--a smoker with a 2-pack-a-day habit lights up 292,000 cigarettes over 20 years, for example. That's probably because marijuana isn't nearly as addictive as tobacco, says epidemiologist Steve Schwartz of the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, who conducted the 2004 study.


I think your post it pure FLAME bait... Back under your bridge Troll...

 

Steeplerot

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Ah yes, The ever lucrative Corporate Disease Industry and their little pills can take a leap. I occasionally take a asprin or two but pillheads = lame.
 

extra

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Step 1. Buy pound of weed for $200 in some mythical location
Step 2. Drive anywhere else
Step 3. ???
Step 4. PROFIT

Someone is getting their lbs and ounces mixed up. Two pounds of weed, even if it was awful weed...would be enough to stay high for a whole damn year or more lol. And I mean literally, high 24hrs a day for a whole year.
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: extra
Step 1. Buy pound of weed for $200 in some mythical location
Step 2. Drive anywhere else
Step 3. ???
Step 4. PROFIT

Someone is getting their lbs and ounces mixed up. Two pounds of weed, even if it was awful weed...would be enough to stay high for a whole damn year or more lol. And I mean literally, high 24hrs a day for a whole year.


No doubt, from my math above his "friend" smokes around 100 joints a day from this tale. Probably keep a few lesser populated red states high just off his roaches in a day. This guy is in OT now saying he smokes a QP only a day down from 3 pounds in this thread. :roll:
 

Jhhnn

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My favorite part-

"marijuana tar has 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to cancer than tobacco cigarette tar."

chemicals linked to cancer... sounds like Saddam Hussein linked to Al Qaeda, and we all know how bogus that turned out to be...

I haven't smoked dope in 20 years, but the hysteria nd misinformation around it hasn't changed since it was first outlawed in the 30's. The bullshit parade just goes around the block, and the observers forget that they've already seen that float... that band, that prancing horse... Time after time, truly scientific work has failed to find any serious health risks associated with the reality of cannabis consumption. The fantasy of cannabis consumption in the minds of its detractors is another story entirely.
 

techs

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The REAL danger from pot is the incredibly huge amounts....of MONEY and time and effort we waste prosecuting and incarcerating pot smokers.
Police and D.A.'s around the country would catch and convict a LOT more REAL criminals if they didn't spend so much on on pot smokers. Prisons would house more REAL criminals instead of letting them go because the jails are full.
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: Saysys
I know a guy that'll go through a QP in 3 days with no trouble at all, which is the same as smoking over a pack a day: standard stoner.

:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Total fvcking bullshit. A QP is 4 ounces of marijuana, that would be 1.33 oz's per day. Assuming he sleeps for 7 to 8 hours per day, he'd have to smoke the rest of the day, almost non-stop. And considering a QP costs about $300 (for lower class pot), I doubt he'd be able to keep a job worthy of this expense.

However, even if what you say is true about this one guy, and I doubt it like a chick with a bulgey crotch, there is NO WAY this scenario would even come close to describing the "standard stoner." I would imagine, and this is a guess coming from years of experience, the average stoner smokes the equivalent of between ONE to TWO cigarrette's worth of marijuana in one day. That's about 2 to 4 grams.
 

imported_SonDogg

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OK reading this thread got me worked up enough to go ahead and register for the forums, just for a chance to lay into the OP (which tells me this is flame bait, but meh, I'll take it). First off, I won't say your friend doesn't smoke that much, but I will say that I am skeptical. In fact, if your friend does smoke that much then maybe you SHOULD be worred, seeing as how he is not only blowing through an insane amount of money (maybe not being spent, but to get that amount for that price he could be profitting very well) but also that is a copious amount of marijuana. Much more then any other smoker I have come across. If he is smoking so much of such low quality stuff (which is would be for that price unless he's growing) then he may be hurting himself. Not from the plant, but you gotta figure pestacides and mexican water.

I respect your concern for your friend, but at the same time, chill out. So you have a friend that smokes a lot of pot. I gather you don't. Why are you friends? I can understand a childhood buddy that sort of started doing this, but for God's sake act like a grown-up here. You want to go to the cops? An earlier poster had it right, "with friends like you, who needs enemies?", or to put it in clearer terms for somebody who isin't into this lifestyle, YOUR GOING TO CALL THE COPS??? Do you have any idea what the police do to folks who get caught with pot, espically THAT amount (if true). You won't have to worry about your buddy rotting his brain out with MJ because he'll be getting his brain banged out in prison. Were talking years here, most likely close to half a decade. Thats your brillent idea to help out your friend? Get him incarcerated with rapists and murder's and then have him live out the rest of his life with a drug conviction. Guess what, you do that and you'll be his gateway drug. Might as well just buy him a crackpipe and some rock as he will have NO other options, hell he'd have a hard time getting a job at McDonalds.

Really want to know what to do with him? Take him camping or something, get him isolated and "misplace" his stash. You chuck it be prepared to pay for it, but you get his head out of the clouds for a couple days it'll have him thinking. He may clean up, he may not, again is this your body? Are you attached to him in any way? Or to be blunt, how does his habit effct you what-so-ever. Get him interested in something, like maybe a girl. Every smoker I know that smokes a lot is bored, nothing else. Yeah I like the feeling but I'm not trying to go to class like that just like I'm not about to drink a couple beers and go to class. As I said I'm having a real hard time with this OP. Also, I'll throw down some bait of my own, somebody, somewhere prove to me that smoking pot's bad (and by bad I don't just mean worse then cigs and alcohol), pick any drug you know and if you show me facts I'll PayPal money so that you may indulge in whatever "vice" you may have. I'm just confident my vice will effect me less in the long run then yours.
 

IronWing

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Is the street price really up to $2000-3200/lb as estimated on this thread? I gotta get me some grow lights! Hurray for the war on drugs! I can't believe I wasted time going to college.
 

MangoTBG

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Originally posted by: ironwing
Is the street price really up to $2000-3200/lb as estimated on this thread? I gotta get me some grow lights! Hurray for the war on drugs! I can't believe I wasted time going to college.

It really depends on the area, and also the grade of ganja. Beasters (aka BC buds...buds from British Columbia Cananda) which is a "dro" but not the greatest stuff sells for $3500-3700 /LB. While "funk", or "miami bud" pretty much buds that you see in the magazines will run a premium at $4000-4200. Now the type of buds he's probably smoking runs $800-1000 LB. That's for what some call "mids".

I'm only speculating on everything above ;)
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: MangoTBG
Originally posted by: ironwing
Is the street price really up to $2000-3200/lb as estimated on this thread? I gotta get me some grow lights! Hurray for the war on drugs! I can't believe I wasted time going to college.

It really depends on the area, and also the grade of ganja. Beasters (aka BC buds...buds from British Columbia Cananda) which is a "dro" but not the greatest stuff sells for $3500-3700 /LB. While "funk", or "miami bud" pretty much buds that you see in the magazines will run a premium at $4000-4200. Now the type of buds he's probably smoking runs $800-1000 LB. That's for what some call "mids".

I'm only speculating on everything above ;)

Just to add: 1 marijuana plant can be worth $10k
 

Bitek

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Don't know if this has been posted but:

Study finds marijuana not a cause for cancer
?Results 'against our expectations,' researchers say

Linky

By MARC KAUFMAN
Washington Post

The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.

The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."


Maybe OP should try some. May help his health and loosen up his asscrack enough to remove his panties.

Edit: Ok posted 12x but interesting nonetheless
 

kage69

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does regular gaming not lead to hard-core gaming?



Muahahaha....:laugh: [Beavis]Bricks without straw?[/Beavis]





*wipes eyes* That really is sig worthy...
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: kage69
does regular gaming not lead to hard-core gaming?



Muahahaha....:laugh: [Beavis]Bricks without straw?[/Beavis]





*wipes eyes* That really is sig worthy...

It's a silly analogy. According to that, Pot smoking should lead to hardcore Pot smoking and not to the other things he originally alleged.