Marijuana Kills

[Zedtom]

The labeling of marijuana as the gateway drug is a myth.

We all know the real gateway drug is tobacco. Cigarette smoking has been proven to be dangerous, but still remains a popular vice. The mindset that a smoker is doing a dangerous thing opens the door to trying something even more dangerous.

Marijuana smokers know that what they are doing is illegal, but few think that it will lead to chronic abuse since its use is limited by its high price.

 

[Cobalt]

Anyone want to throw down on a blunt?

 

[2Xtreme21]

I can say that the only vice against pot is the tendency for an extreme high to be a danger while driving. However, using that argument, alcohol is 10 times as bad due to the complete retardedness of your actions while drunk.

The OP is full of sh!t. Here's a pic of a quarter pound of marijuana. As a person who enjoys his bud every once in a while, I'd have a tough time going through 1/8 of an ounce in 3 days. That's 1/32nd of what your friend allegedly does in the same amount of time, by the way.

So um, exagerate a bit? Please resume your 13 y.o. crying session.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MangoTBG

Originally posted by: ironwing
Is the street price really up to $2000-3200/lb as estimated on this thread? I gotta get me some grow lights! Hurray for the war on drugs! I can't believe I wasted time going to college.

It really depends on the area, and also the grade of ganja. Beasters (aka BC buds...buds from British Columbia Cananda) which is a "dro" but not the greatest stuff sells for $3500-3700 /LB. While "funk", or "miami bud" pretty much buds that you see in the magazines will run a premium at $4000-4200. Now the type of buds he's probably smoking runs $800-1000 LB. That's for what some call "mids".

I'm only speculating on everything above

Just to add: 1 marijuana plant can be worth $10k

10k in legal costs if your busted perhaps. One pound per plant is doable but rare, so I hear. Those prices seem a little high too, don't get your prices by just multiplying how much an avg ounce costs by 16. It doesn't usually work that way just like the real price of an ounce is not equivalent to the price of a gram times 28. Bulk discounts and what not.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MangoTBG

Originally posted by: ironwing
Is the street price really up to $2000-3200/lb as estimated on this thread? I gotta get me some grow lights! Hurray for the war on drugs! I can't believe I wasted time going to college.

It really depends on the area, and also the grade of ganja. Beasters (aka BC buds...buds from British Columbia Cananda) which is a "dro" but not the greatest stuff sells for $3500-3700 /LB. While "funk", or "miami bud" pretty much buds that you see in the magazines will run a premium at $4000-4200. Now the type of buds he's probably smoking runs $800-1000 LB. That's for what some call "mids".

I'm only speculating on everything above

Just to add: 1 marijuana plant can be worth $10k

10k in legal costs if your busted perhaps. One pound per plant is doable but rare, so I hear. Those prices seem a little high too, don't get your prices by just multiplying how much an avg ounce costs by 16. It doesn't usually work that way just like the real price of an ounce is not equivalent to the price of a gram times 28. Bulk discounts and what not.

Hmm, you could be right about the plant cost. It may have been $1500/plant I heard. Either way, for the amount of space, time, and costs required it is still extremely profitable.

 

[daclayman]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21


The OP is full of sh!t. Here's a pic of a quarter pound of marijuana. As a person who enjoys his bud every once in a while, I'd have a tough time going through 1/8 of an ounce in 3 days. That's 1/32nd of what your friend allegedly does in the same amount of time, by the way.

So um, exagerate a bit? Please resume your 13 y.o. crying session.

Hey Xtreme, I'm NOT paying for all of those stems. Clean that shiz up, then we can deal.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: daclayman

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21


The OP is full of sh!t. Here's a pic of a quarter pound of marijuana. As a person who enjoys his bud every once in a while, I'd have a tough time going through 1/8 of an ounce in 3 days. That's 1/32nd of what your friend allegedly does in the same amount of time, by the way.

So um, exagerate a bit? Please resume your 13 y.o. crying session.

Hey Xtreme, I'm NOT paying for all of those stems. Clean that shiz up, then we can deal.

Use them for tea.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: daclayman

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21


The OP is full of sh!t. Here's a pic of a quarter pound of marijuana. As a person who enjoys his bud every once in a while, I'd have a tough time going through 1/8 of an ounce in 3 days. That's 1/32nd of what your friend allegedly does in the same amount of time, by the way.

So um, exagerate a bit? Please resume your 13 y.o. crying session.

Hey Xtreme, I'm NOT paying for all of those stems. Clean that shiz up, then we can deal.

Use them for tea.

Sh!t gives you some nasty headaches...

 

[kage69]

It's a silly analogy. According to that, Pot smoking should lead to hardcore Pot smoking and not to the other things he originally alleged.

Absolutely. Did you think I was laughing at something else?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: kage69

It's a silly analogy. According to that, Pot smoking should lead to hardcore Pot smoking and not to the other things he originally alleged.

Absolutely. Did you think I was laughing at something else?

Ya, I did, but thanks for the clarification.

 

[blackllotus]

For the marijuana movement to gain any credibility they need to kick out the real pot-heads who think marijuana is healthy. No it doesn't help you concentrate. It slows your brain down. Excluding medicinal purposes, there is no good reason to smoke pot (I think its pill form for medicine, not sure). Though I think pot should be legal, the only reason I think so is for more government control over its distribution.

 

[LumbergTech]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
For the marijuana movement to gain any credibility they need to kick out the real pot-heads who think marijuana is healthy. No it doesn't help you concentrate. It slows your brain down. Excluding medicinal purposes, there is no good reason to smoke pot (I think its pill form for medicine, not sure). Though I think pot should be legal, the only reason I think so is for more government control over its distribution.

i dont think it makes you smart, i just think that it makes you think of things in different ways, sometimes dumb, sometimes new and interesting..and i dont really know too many people who actually believe that it makes you smart, maybe its just that those who tend to smoke it have a high level of brain activity and it brings them down to a more tolerable level..for me it brings a level of focus, for another it would make them not be able to focus on anything

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Saysys

Not all potheads live in their parents basements and work at McDonalds.

but it's a likely outcome.

The likely outcome of smoking weed is living in your parents basement and working at McDonalds... bwahaha what a clueless moron.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

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Originally posted by: blackllotus
For the marijuana movement to gain any credibility they need to kick out the real pot-heads who think marijuana is healthy.

Of course. Few foreign substances are healthy. It's a matter of degree of harm.
There is nothing healthy about alcohol, tobacco, fast food, and probably half the isles in the supermarket. And none of this has the added medicinal benefits cannabis has been shown to have. Besides, once you remove combustion from the equation by consuming cannabis via a vaporizer, or via oral consumption (brownies etc), you dramatically reduce harm.

Originally posted by: blackllotus
No it doesn't help you concentrate. It slows your brain down.

One shouldn't use cannabis before times when it's critical to be clear headed (work, driving, school, etc) but it's arguable about whether it helps you concentrate.
One of the ways in which cannabis alters the thought pattern is in fact a sort of 'hyper-concentration'. Musicians experience this in the ability to hear all tracks separately but together at the same time. If you've never experienced it, it's hard to explain. It's why nearly everyone thinks music 'sounds better' while high. Cannabis also opens up patterns of thought our well trained brain doesn't normally work in... this is why so many artists of every type are cannabis users.

Used recreationally or socially it is merely a mood/mind altering substance like alcohol.

There are different types of cannabis btw. An indica will glue you to the couch and cloud your thoughts, a sativa will energize and inspire you. There are many types of each and many, many hybrids containing both.

Originally posted by: blackllotus
Excluding medicinal purposes, there is no good reason to smoke pot (I think its pill form for medicine, not sure).

Can you give me a good reason to drink alcohol, smoke tobacco, eat fatty foods, have automobiles capable of speed above the national limit, etc?
BTW, cannabis in it's pill form, called Marinol, has been shown to be not nearly as effective as the natural cannabinoids.

Originally posted by: blackllotus
Though I think pot should be legal, the only reason I think so is for more government control over its distribution.

That's a rational and open minded opinion. Thumbs up.

 

[imported_hscorpio]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: hscorpio

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: MangoTBG

Originally posted by: ironwing
Is the street price really up to $2000-3200/lb as estimated on this thread? I gotta get me some grow lights! Hurray for the war on drugs! I can't believe I wasted time going to college.

It really depends on the area, and also the grade of ganja. Beasters (aka BC buds...buds from British Columbia Cananda) which is a "dro" but not the greatest stuff sells for $3500-3700 /LB. While "funk", or "miami bud" pretty much buds that you see in the magazines will run a premium at $4000-4200. Now the type of buds he's probably smoking runs $800-1000 LB. That's for what some call "mids".

I'm only speculating on everything above

Just to add: 1 marijuana plant can be worth $10k

10k in legal costs if your busted perhaps. One pound per plant is doable but rare, so I hear. Those prices seem a little high too, don't get your prices by just multiplying how much an avg ounce costs by 16. It doesn't usually work that way just like the real price of an ounce is not equivalent to the price of a gram times 28. Bulk discounts and what not.

Hmm, you could be right about the plant cost. It may have been $1500/plant I heard. Either way, for the amount of space, time, and costs required it is still extremely profitable.

Yes $1500 sounds more realistic. I think the average yeild is just a few ounces per plant but it depends on the type of plant, the method used and the length of time grown in the vegetative state.

It is very profitable and can be pretty low risk if done right. It is basically responsible for the growth of the hydroponics industry since few other crops are worth the added expenses. I think its kinda fascinating since its like modern day moonshiners.

 

[2Xtreme21]

Weed isn't healthy. Period. No one's advocating that it is. It's a lifestyle choice that has concequences with it-- though, the associated concequences and risks are very much inferior to its benefit. Relatively speaking, alcohol's risks and benefits seem almost on par with one another-- and furthermore, harder drugs' (H, coke) risks are far superior to its benefits. It's a sociable thing... and I feel if you're going to get rid of anything that enhances ones mood, you're going to need to get rid of things that many anti-marijunana conservatives today would fight to protect; that is, namely, alcohol and tobacco.

Marijuana just has such a negative stigma attached to it by society, which is really a shame. It's something you seem to instantly break the second you try it and realize it doesn't cause the apocolypse today's world would have you believe. Above all though, it's not as though everyone would be forced to do it if it were legal. If you don't want to smoke, no one's forcing you to. We tend to expect the same courtesy in the other direction.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: 2Xtreme21
Weed isn't healthy. Period. No one's advocating that it is. It's a lifestyle choice that has concequences with it-- though, the associated concequences and risks are very much inferior to its benefit. Relatively speaking, alcohol's risks and benefits seem almost on par with one another-- and furthermore, harder drugs' (H, coke) risks are far superior to its benefits. It's a sociable thing... and I feel if you're going to get rid of anything that enhances ones mood, you're going to need to get rid of things that many anti-marijunana conservatives today would fight to protect; that is, namely, alcohol and tobacco.

Marijuana just has such a negative stigma attached to it by society, which is really a shame. It's something you seem to instantly break the second you try it and realize it doesn't cause the apocolypse today's world would have you believe. Above all though, it's not as though everyone would be forced to do it if it were legal. If you don't want to smoke, no one's forcing you to. We tend to expect the same courtesy in the other direction.

No, you must not have read the article. Weed is healthy-period.

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."

Contrary to what we have been told by the government for years and years, Cannabis is actually nontoxic. It has never killed anyone.

Isn't it ironic that the nanny state has tried to stop the people from using cannabis for all of these years, and it might actually protect against cancer and have many other medical uses? The war on marijuana could actually be killing people, by preventing their access to safe and effective medication.

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: blackllotus
For the marijuana movement to gain any credibility they need to kick out the real pot-heads who think marijuana is healthy. No it doesn't help you concentrate. It slows your brain down. Excluding medicinal purposes, there is no good reason to smoke pot (I think its pill form for medicine, not sure). Though I think pot should be legal, the only reason I think so is for more government control over its distribution.

QFT!! Sure let the the government control and tax it that way when all these pot heads come to the hospital with messed up kids and bad health and no health insurance at least they have paid for it via taxes.

Sorry guys I'm with the op on this one. Pot does nothing for you and often pushes you toward nothing. Smoking anything at all should be bad for you not to mention it is illegal and not worth the risk lossing my job/car/house/whatever just to smell funny and have the munchies.

I just hope it does get controlled and taxed. Better than putting the drug dealers behind bars and us paying for them. Hell make it legal and make money off of it.

 

[TGS]

Originally posted by: redbox

Originally posted by: blackllotus
For the marijuana movement to gain any credibility they need to kick out the real pot-heads who think marijuana is healthy. No it doesn't help you concentrate. It slows your brain down. Excluding medicinal purposes, there is no good reason to smoke pot (I think its pill form for medicine, not sure). Though I think pot should be legal, the only reason I think so is for more government control over its distribution.

QFT!! Sure let the the government control and tax it that way when all these pot heads come to the hospital with messed up kids and bad health and no health insurance at least they have paid for it via taxes.

Sorry guys I'm with the op on this one. Pot does nothing for you and often pushes you toward nothing. Smoking anything at all should be bad for you not to mention it is illegal and not worth the risk lossing my job/car/house/whatever just to smell funny and have the munchies.

I just hope it does get controlled and taxed. Better than putting the drug dealers behind bars and us paying for them. Hell make it legal and make money off of it.

So does alcohol and fatty foods... Yet we still allow people to kill themselves with those, as long as Uncle Sam is able to tax the proceeds.

Here's an older but sobering report on what is killing people in the US. Though for some reason, most people regard those overweight in contempt, but get along with their lives some how.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Not going to read this whole thing but I read the first few pages....I stoped when the OP said the average stoner is like an alchoholic.

Simple fact is that when you do anything..or more over..ANY DRUG in excess its going to be bad for you. Yes drinking in moderation is ok for you..YES drinking in huge amounts everyday is bad for you. Yes smoking pot isnt that bad for you once anda while..Yes smoking 4 times a day is not good for you.

Let it rest..Pot isnt the devil, its not as bad as the governent wants you to belive it is. look into why it was made illegal in the first place...totally unrelated to the health of it.

 

[SP33Demon]

Originally posted by: FrancesBeansRevenge
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Originally posted by: blackllotus
For the marijuana movement to gain any credibility they need to kick out the real pot-heads who think marijuana is healthy.

Of course. Few foreign substances are healthy. It's a matter of degree of harm.
There is nothing healthy about alcohol, tobacco, fast food, and probably half the isles in the supermarket. And none of this has the added medicinal benefits cannabis has been shown to have. Besides, once you remove combustion from the equation by consuming cannabis via a vaporizer, or via oral consumption (brownies etc), you dramatically reduce harm.

Originally posted by: blackllotus
No it doesn't help you concentrate. It slows your brain down.

One shouldn't use cannabis before times when it's critical to be clear headed (work, driving, school, etc) but it's arguable about whether it helps you concentrate.
One of the ways in which cannabis alters the thought pattern is in fact a sort of 'hyper-concentration'. Musicians experience this in the ability to hear all tracks separately but together at the same time. If you've never experienced it, it's hard to explain. It's why nearly everyone thinks music 'sounds better' while high. Cannabis also opens up patterns of thought our well trained brain doesn't normally work in... this is why so many artists of every type are cannabis users.

Used recreationally or socially it is merely a mood/mind altering substance like alcohol.

There are different types of cannabis btw. An indica will glue you to the couch and cloud your thoughts, a sativa will energize and inspire you. There are many types of each and many, many hybrids containing both.

Originally posted by: blackllotus
Excluding medicinal purposes, there is no good reason to smoke pot (I think its pill form for medicine, not sure).

Can you give me a good reason to drink alcohol, smoke tobacco, eat fatty foods, have automobiles capable of speed above the national limit, etc?
BTW, cannabis in it's pill form, called Marinol, has been shown to be not nearly as effective as the natural cannabinoids.

Originally posted by: blackllotus
Though I think pot should be legal, the only reason I think so is for more government control over its distribution.

That's a rational and open minded opinion. Thumbs up.

Yup, surprised nobody has brought up the vapor or oral methods of getting high until page 3. Most of the cancer risks are associated from smoking it.

 

[rickn]

I saw a report that said MJ may actually prevent certain types of lung cancer.

 

[AlucardX]

everyone's pretty much beating a dead horse here.. just wanted to say,

Volcano FTMFW! thing is ****** awesome.. dunno if i'd spend ~$600 on it though.

and these studies really need to elaborate on what quality and strain of weed they use to get this data for tar, carcinogens, etc.

i'd be curious to know the differnces between shwag and bud. obviously we already know the difference in the highs.

 

[thescreensavers]

your breathing smoke in adn thats bad period

 

[2Xtreme21]

Originally posted by: thescreensavers
your breathing smoke in adn thats bad period

Your insightful, intelligent comment has proved to be the groundbreaking item that will change America's marijuana-enjoying population forever.