Marijuana is by far the safest recreational drug, study finds

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sportage

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Explain tobacco to me?
That incredible injustice.
Every single study finds tobacco the most deadly, habit forming, addicting, personally harmful, most costly for society, substance out there far beyond both meth and cocaine combined.
Yet tobacco is legal, and continues to be legal, with neither law enforcement nor government demanding tobacco be banned, which it should be.

This is totally insane.
 

ch33zw1z

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sportage: Post #15 - Money. Tobacco makes a shit ton a money, and quite a bit of it ends up in our politicians pockets via contributions.
 

OverVolt

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"A new study published in Nature establishes that cannibas has - by far - the highest "margin of exposure" (the ratio of the median lethal dose to the average actual dose)"

Yes... yes it does. And you're still a stupid hippie stoner :awe:
 

Genx87

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LOL And chopping your arm off with a chainsaw is demonstrably far safer than two 44 magnum rounds to the dome. Therefore go ahead and chop your kid's arms off with a chainsaw, right?

So if you have kids are you going to tell them smoking MJ is fine?

Having said that, people have been gobbling poison to "feel better" temporarily in so many different ways for so long, you'd be mistaken if you thought I gave a shit anymore. You can do and/or say whatever you want I just didn't want to see you logic fail while doing so.

Who is promoting drug use of children? The think of the children argument always falls flat on its face.
 

SlowSpyder

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American Lung Society - "Tobacco vs. Marijuana

Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains cancer-causing chemicals. There are 33 cancer-causing chemicals contained in marijuana. Marijuana smoke also deposits tar into the lungs. In fact, when equal amounts of marijuana and tobacco are smoked, marijuana deposits four times as much tar into the lungs. This is because marijuana joints are un-filtered and often more deeply inhaled than cigarettes."

Source - http://www.lung.org/associations/states/colorado/tobacco/marijuana.html

Now with that said, the American Lung Society is a voluntary organization, so let's compare those findings to another source.

From a USAToday article:

"Q. Does marijuana cause cancer?
A. Although some studies have linked heavy marijuana smoking to lung cancer, the link isn't totally clear. But marijuana is associated with a variety of lung problems, including inflammation of the airways, symptoms of chronic bronchitis and an increased risk of pneumonia and respiratory infections, according to the New England Journal review."

Okay, so the link isn't totally clear, but it still shown to cause other lung ailments.

Source - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/07/27/risks-of-marijuana/10386699/

But USAToday is a newspaper. Let's again check more sources.

This article suggests that it does, found on http://lungcancer.about.com/od/causesoflungcance1/f/marijuana.htm . So what are they stating basically? That while some studies suggest that it doesn't, many suggests that it does. Not only are many of the same chemicals found in tobacco smoke also found in marijuana smoke, but we do know for sure that marijuana smoke does inflame the cells of lungs. If some studies show that it does increase the risk of lung cancer, that's because it probably does. Maybe not to the same level as tobacco, but it's still many of the same chemicals, so expect similar results. The difference, of course, is that people who smoke tobacco are puffing down a pack a day, whereas marijuana might be one joint a day, or every other day, or whatever. It also increases the risk of getting into a car accident (not as much as alcohol, but it does), and with all the hooligans driving around with their cell phones in their face, that's the last thing we need.

Am I arguing that marijuana has many medical benefits for terminally ill situations? Absolutely not, because there are many benefits to it. But am I arguing that marijuana use has other cognitive effects that, as a manager who leads people, I pick up on? You betcha. Now if you want to do it, go ahead, that's your choice. But don't think you're fooling anyone with it. Don't think it doesn't have an impact on your drive. And certainly don't think you're "protecting" your lungs from cancer, because you're not.

It's a drug that contains carcinogens. It makes you feel reeeaaalllllyyy good. You can smoke it, directly exposing it to your lungs and delivering those chemicals to your brain. What more do you want me to say?


There is a difference between in vitro and in vivo. Roughly translated, one means in body, one means in a petri dish. What you expect to happen when isolated outside the body often is what happens, in the body is a much more complex system with many other influences. Where I'm going with this is that because carcinogens are present in marijuana smoke, doesn't mean that they cause cancer in the body. Tobacco and marijuana are unique blends of chemicals. Marijuana has chemicals that have known protective and even anti-cancer properties that tobacco smoke does not have. So when marijuana smoke is taken in, you have a mix of good and bad chemicals that seems very much to be neutral in the body in combination. Tobacco smoke does not have anything redeeming, only the 'bad'.

The point of contention was never, 'are there any known carcinogens in marijuana'. It is, that no link to cancer has ever been shown. So you can't just assume what you have in bold. Carcinogens by themselves, even the ones in marijuana smoke certainly can be harmful. But in combination, when taken as a complete plant, there appears to be no link to cancer.

I've already posted a large and very complete study, a study done by the same doctor that the government has used for ~30 years. The study shows no link, even a potentially mildly protective benefit from marijuana use.

No one is saying it should be legal to smoke and drive (though I do believe this is far less of a danger than many people think). Just like many states don't allow texting while driving and drinking and driving is against the law at a national level.

And all of this is of course ignoring vaporizers and edibles vs. smoking.
 
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SlowSpyder

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LOL And chopping your arm off with a chainsaw is demonstrably far safer than two 44 magnum rounds to the dome. Therefore go ahead and chop your kid's arms off with a chainsaw, right?

So if you have kids are you going to tell them smoking MJ is fine?

Having said that, people have been gobbling poison to "feel better" temporarily in so many different ways for so long, you'd be mistaken if you thought I gave a shit anymore. You can do and/or say whatever you want I just didn't want to see you logic fail while doing so.


Except that both your examples are detrimental to health, you're just choosing life debilitating vs. very likely dead. Marijuana is nothing like those examples. Did you know that moderate smoking of marijuana can actually improve lung function? Think about that. All the miracle cures and supplements people look for to 'boost their immune system' (lol) or improve their performance, etc. Here is a plant that actually has science behind it when it says it truly can improve your physical (and in my opinion mental) functioning. It isn't the boogeyman that the government has lead you to believe, don't buy into the propaganda, search for yourself. You'll see the science is fairly overwhelming in regards to this being of little consequence to your body for the vast majority of people. I would wager that eating fast food somewhat regularly is worse for you than smoking / vaping / eating marijuana.
 
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Numbers don't lie...

Uno
 

SlowSpyder

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2006 - 2010 alcohol use averaged 88,000 deaths per year in this country.

Drinking too much can harm your health. Excessive alcohol use led to approximately 88,000 deaths and 2.5 million years of potential life lost (YPLL) each year in the United States from 2006 – 2010, shortening the lives of those who died by an average of 30 years.1,2 Further, excessive drinking was responsible for 1 in 10 deaths among working-age adults aged 20-64 years. The economic costs of excessive alcohol consumption in 2006 were estimated at $223.5 billion, or $1.90 a drink.3

There were 11,208 firearms homicides in 2013, for comparison.

It is beyond stupid that marijuana is illegal, especially given the other freedoms we have and want that carry so much more risk.
 

SlowSpyder

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Really, zero?

Not even contributing to even one fatal driving accident or as an adjunct to lung disease?

Sureeee buddy.


Since marijuana legalization, highway fatalities in Colorado are at near-historic lows

What lung disease do you believe smoking marijuana causes? The absolute worst confirmed consequence I've ever seen mentioned in studies is chronic bronchitis like symptoms of heavy smokers that goes away upon cessation of smoking marijuana.

I think you believe it is actually bad for you. The science seems to suggest marijuana, even the smoke, is quite benign in our bodies.
 

Vdubchaos

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How is this even news or some kind of a news flash?

Marijuana has been the most commonly used drug on this planet throughout the history.

Obviously the reason for that is because it's pretty safe and doesn't ruin people's lives the way other drugs/alcohol does.

I thought this was common knowledge, but I guess I was wrong.
 

Vdubchaos

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Really, zero?

Not even contributing to even one fatal driving accident or as an adjunct to lung disease?

Sureeee buddy.

I'm SURE Mari J killed SOME people.

But remember, we have 9/11x 2 happening on our roads EACH AND EVERY MONTH, and many times.......no drug plays a role.

It can be cell phones......poor reaction.....decision.....accidents are accidents.

Now, how many have died from using it? I'm sure there is certain amount as well, but the reality is whatever that # is, it's WAY WAY WAY less even the "next" least dangerous drug out there.
 

SlowSpyder

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I'll stick to my prescription amphetamines, thanks.


I've had my fair share of methylphenidate and amphetamines. Those chemicals and marijuana aren't really comparable in their effects. But both combined with a half a gram to a gram of pregablin is basically heaven on earth. :D
 

SlowSpyder

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yeah, so?


they are extended release so you can't really get "high" off them.

If you chew them...

I actually don't like those at all. They increase my focus, but it is always my focus on the wrong things. I'd be at work and waste hours on Youtube without even realizing it. They were no good for me! But I have a friend who probably couldn't get by without 60mg of Adderall a day. They make me feel a little anxious, a weird anxiety that I don't care for. But, to each their own.
 

SlowSpyder

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So alcohol is a drug and causes many, many, many more deaths and injuries than pot.


http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/tables/health/attrdeaths/index.htm

443,000 deaths per year on average 2000 - 2004. Tobacco is a killer. But I feel it should be legal because it isn't the government's job to tell people what they can or can't ingest in their own bodies. That's not freedom.

Given the plain facts, it is absurd that marijuana is illegal, especially when considered against what much more harmful and addictive substances we legally allow.
 

SlowSpyder

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Some food for thought.

https://consortiumnews.com/2010/091610b.html

- "No significant physical, biochemical, or mental abnormalities could be attributed solely to their marihuana smoking."

- "No verification is found of a causal relationship between marihuana use and subsequent heroin use."

- "In sum, the weight of the evidence is that marihuana does not cause violent or aggressive behavior; if anything marihuana serves to inhibit the expression of such behavior."

- "Neither the marihuana user nor the drug itself can be said to constitute a danger to public safety."

- "Marihuana’s relative potential for harm to the vast majority of individual users and its actual impact on society does not justify a social policy designed to seek out and firmly punish those who use it."

The Commission concluded that "society should seek to discourage use, while concentrating its attention on the prevention and treatment of heavy and very heavy use. The Commission feels that the criminalization of possession of marihuana for personal [use] is socially self-defeating as a means of achieving this objective . . .

“Considering the range of social concerns in contemporary America, marihuana does not, in our considered judgment, rank very high. We would deemphasize marihuana as a problem."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Drugs

According to a 2008 study published by Harvard economist Jeffrey A. Miron, the annual savings on enforcement and incarceration costs from the legalization of drugs would amount to roughly $41.3 billion, with $25.7 billion being saved among the states and over $15.6 billion accrued for the federal government. Miron further estimated at least $46.7 billion in tax revenue based on rates comparable to those on tobacco and alcohol ($8.7 billion from marijuana, $32.6 billion from cocaine and heroin, remainder from other drugs).