I didn't watch this. Went to bed early but totally defeated that by waking up at 3AM to read about it. The impression I'm getting is this was a televised assassination attempt of Trump with Fox leading the charge. I'm not sure they completely succeeded, and anything short of that just strengthens his anti-establishment foundation. I don't see how anyone can objectively look at all this, no matter how bad they may think Trump is in a vacuum, and not see he still isn't the low bar in today's politics. It's the amalgamation of billionaires, party elites, and faux journalists that make up the Republican establishment.
I just watched a clip of the Trump University stuff. It was brutal. As soon as he was attacked on it he spit out a bunch of lies, only to have each lie torn apart right to his face.
Blanky
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I felt sorry for trump by the end. He has crushed in earlier debates, not with substance but with style because it's all he has. Here he didn't have it, like he was tired. And the slides/videos put up by the moderators were pretty damn bad for him.
Cruz is the most principled up there, but kasich is probably the best. And RCP does have him leading clinton by 7 (though perhaps because nobody knows him). Too bad it's too little, too late.
Cruz is the most principled up there, but kasich is probably the best. And RCP does have him leading clinton by 7 (though perhaps because nobody knows him). Too bad it's too little, too late.
Blanky
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His 98% approval rating is a lie. He also used magic math if indeed he wants to save $300B in medicare drug costs through better negotiating when medicare only spends $78B in drugs now in entirety.
So this was an emperor has no clothes moment, but at the same time he equivocated a ton and showed us he isn't even serious about deporting all the illegals, which may in fact make him more attractive to moderates.
Fanatical Meat
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Blanky
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I didn't watch how much of this was true?
Not sure on the uniforms but yes Trump did defend the size of his penis.
edro
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Well if truth vs. lie is what really mattered this world would be very different. Honestly, the way I see this, if the establishment can actually turn this around, and Trump loses, then everyone loses. They'll know there is not a monster they can create that they can't either control or slay, and we'll have a Republican party that will actually manage to be worse over the next 30 years than it's been over the past 30.
No, because look at them. That doesn't necessarily make me a Democrat either because, well, look at them too.
Doc Savage Fan
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Ah, I see. I'm wondering are there any Trump supporters in this thread? If so, after last night's debate did that support change?
sportage
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You know, nothing matters except that wall.
I've come to the conclusion this whole election is all about Trump's wall.
People want that wall.
People don't care about Trump University. Didn't GW own a baseball team and that venture failed? Or was it an oil company??? Who cared?
Speaking of Mitt, people still remember Mitt's poor dog. Tied to the top of his car, flying down the freeway, the dog crapping all over in terror. And Mitt always said "the dog loved it".
So, what ever failed candidate Mitt Romney says or thinks amounts to nothing to anyone.
Back to Trump, people don't care about Trump's successful or failed ventures.
The only thing people care about is that wall.
The one thing people know for sure, Trump can and will built that wall.
That is all the people want out of Donald, and they believe Donald can and will get that done. I don't think people really care about the cost or who pays for it, people just want to see it built.
People imagine that wall.
Imagine a huge tall long wall stretching for miles.
People imagine cranes and dump trucks, hard hats and backhoe loaders, excavators and motor graders building the Trump wall streamed live on webcam 24/7 until finished.
Imagine that wall, finished, gleaming and stretching up to the skies.
That is what the people want from Donald Trump. And they truly believe that is exactly what Donald can and will deliver.
THAT is exactly how and why Donald Trump will win the election, as much as I hate to admit that, you can take that to the bank.
If Donald just focuses on the wall, describing the wall, imagining the wall, people will flock to his side.
Whites, red necks, Hispanics (legal Hispanic US citizens), blacks, men, women, Asians, Muslims, atheist, christians, gays, straights, transgenders, old, young, tall, short, everyone will want that wall. People envision that wall.
Trump needs to paint a clear picture of that wall.
Something people can actually physically imagine.
And keep saying over and over the only purpose of the wall is to keep the drugs out, the criminals out, the illegals out, and control our borders.
Not to divide, not to dehumanize, not to promote hate, but only to protect our American citizens from crime, drugs, and the undocumented illegally entering our country.
Just wait and see.
His poll numbers will go through the roof, Trump will win state after state, win the nomination, and there is nothing not one thing the republican establishment can do to stop him.
Keep it simple Don. Push the wall and only the wall. Give the people what they want.
PS.
Donald.... forget about releasing your tax records or releasing transcripts of private meetings. No one really cares except Mitt Romney..
Instead, release a blueprint, an example of what that wall will look like once built.
Release that blueprint, a scaled model, and people will elect you to anything and any office of your hearts desire.
.
.
I've come to the conclusion this whole election is all about Trump's wall.
People want that wall.
People don't care about Trump University. Didn't GW own a baseball team and that venture failed? Or was it an oil company??? Who cared?
Speaking of Mitt, people still remember Mitt's poor dog. Tied to the top of his car, flying down the freeway, the dog crapping all over in terror. And Mitt always said "the dog loved it".
So, what ever failed candidate Mitt Romney says or thinks amounts to nothing to anyone.
Back to Trump, people don't care about Trump's successful or failed ventures.
The only thing people care about is that wall.
The one thing people know for sure, Trump can and will built that wall.
That is all the people want out of Donald, and they believe Donald can and will get that done. I don't think people really care about the cost or who pays for it, people just want to see it built.
People imagine that wall.
Imagine a huge tall long wall stretching for miles.
People imagine cranes and dump trucks, hard hats and backhoe loaders, excavators and motor graders building the Trump wall streamed live on webcam 24/7 until finished.
Imagine that wall, finished, gleaming and stretching up to the skies.
That is what the people want from Donald Trump. And they truly believe that is exactly what Donald can and will deliver.
THAT is exactly how and why Donald Trump will win the election, as much as I hate to admit that, you can take that to the bank.
If Donald just focuses on the wall, describing the wall, imagining the wall, people will flock to his side.
Whites, red necks, Hispanics (legal Hispanic US citizens), blacks, men, women, Asians, Muslims, atheist, christians, gays, straights, transgenders, old, young, tall, short, everyone will want that wall. People envision that wall.
Trump needs to paint a clear picture of that wall.
Something people can actually physically imagine.
And keep saying over and over the only purpose of the wall is to keep the drugs out, the criminals out, the illegals out, and control our borders.
Not to divide, not to dehumanize, not to promote hate, but only to protect our American citizens from crime, drugs, and the undocumented illegally entering our country.
Just wait and see.
His poll numbers will go through the roof, Trump will win state after state, win the nomination, and there is nothing not one thing the republican establishment can do to stop him.
Keep it simple Don. Push the wall and only the wall. Give the people what they want.
PS.
Donald.... forget about releasing your tax records or releasing transcripts of private meetings. No one really cares except Mitt Romney..
Instead, release a blueprint, an example of what that wall will look like once built.
Release that blueprint, a scaled model, and people will elect you to anything and any office of your hearts desire.
.
.
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Aikouka
Lifer
- Nov 27, 2001
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Ratings. Attacking Trump creates a "more entertaining debate" and that makes people watch it and talk about it.
Subyman
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If it isn't clear now why Trump shouldn't be pres, then there is nothing that can convince his supporters. He shills himself like he is the best, greatest person in everything he does. You see it in some of his businesses that end up imploding. A lot of people saw his hyperbole at the very beginning, we've seen it for years and it used to be entertaining. Now he's serving up his scheme to the American public. He's got the "greatest military advisors", he's going to have the "greatest tax plan", he's going to create the "most, best jobs", he's going to build a "huge, fantastic wall", etc etc. All along never saying anything specific and when they ask, he pulls a few numbers and a few names that do not make sense then hand waves it all away.
I kind of blame the GOP. The parties are there to vet the candidates, so a damaging person doesn't run for president. The common joe doesn't understand intricate policy making, and as we can see, responds to surface-level rhetoric.
I kind of blame the GOP. The parties are there to vet the candidates, so a damaging person doesn't run for president. The common joe doesn't understand intricate policy making, and as we can see, responds to surface-level rhetoric.
HomerJS
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The problem was not in vetting because the party can't stop anyone from running for President. Problem was the GOP working with Fox News gave him an open forum in the political world when he was pushing his birther bullshit. Fox have him almost unlimited airtime and the GOP base ate it up. That primarily made a viable candidate for POTUS in their eyes.
Subyman
Moderator <br> VC&G Forum
- Mar 18, 2005
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They can't stop him from running, but from what I understand they can't refuse to support him in their party. I agree with you as well.
DrPizza
Administrator Elite Member Goat Whisperer
After watching that debate, I liked Kasich the best. I had a serious dislike of Rubio and Cruz. Trump was the 2nd most likable, to me, in that debate. There's no way in hell I'd vote for Trump. That leaves me voting for Hillary, who I dislike, and don't trust, but feel is the lesser of all the evils.
K1052
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Kasich wants to invade every middle east country he could remember the name of and let businesses discriminate against gay people.
If this is what passes for reasonable now thanks but no thanks.
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