March 21 2010 Dawn of a New America

[shadow9d9]

Did you miss the debate with the Republicans in Baltimore?

Or the 3 presidential debates.

 

[dmcowen674]

it's a weird night when I find myself to the left of Dave.

Wow

 

[lupi]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/201003...s/ynews_ts1288

Obama says this is what change looks like :thumbsup:




This coming from a guy with "No Commies" for an Avatar

killing commies for christ since 1776.

 

[nobodyknows]

yep, this should be the cause of much change come this november and possibly the one 2 years from now.

I expect they will be campainging on getting the single payer option passed since the tighite righties woudn't let them do it right the first time. It should be interesting.

 

[nobodyknows]

We could have real reform in America if Republicans die and aren't replaced by new assholes.

But they're the ones with the best insurance so don't hold your breath.

 

[nobodyknows]

Problem: 50M Americans have no insurance.
Solution: Force them to buy it
Claim: We just overhauled healthcare and gave insurance to millions without it!

Outcome: Win some more elections by promising to support the "single payer" option?

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

So Shiner, is your state one which will reject the plan? We're having an exciting time in NY watching everything here turn to shit.

 

[shiner]

So Shiner, is your state one which will reject the plan? We're having an exciting time in NY watching everything here turn to shit.

The state legislature has already passed a couple of resolutions against it. Don't think it will be long before something works its way through that rejects it outright and sues to stop it from being applied on the basis that it violates state's rights.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The state legislature has already passed a couple of resolutions against it. Don't think it will be long before something works its way through that rejects it outright and sues to stop it from being applied on the basis that it violates state's rights.

I've said that health care needs reform, but politicians (and their faithful) don't seem to know what that even is. We're screwed in NY because we let the politicians run crazy and now that they've spent every cent they dreamed of having they still can't figure out they're idiots. I suppose that's one definition for what makes a moron. I believe NY is where America will be in a dozen years.

Now they have this dumb ass Cadillac tax going to kick in as if that would hurt anyone with money. All that assures is that those who sacrifice to get better care will be punished for it. What stupid fucks.

 

[cubby1223]

Hi, I live in Barrack Obama's home state of Illinois, where even with the stimulus handouts our out state government is in debt to Medicaid by $1.5 billion, we are behind in payments by I believe it's 8 months now. So a doctor who would choose to take on a Medicaid patient, does the work in March, then waits all the way until November to receive payment of 60 cents on the dollar!

And now with this health care reform bill we are expanding Medicare & Medicaid coverage! Thanks, Obama.

 

[CycloWizard]

Hi, I live in Barrack Obama's home state of Illinois, where even with the stimulus handouts our out state government is in debt to Medicaid by $1.5 billion, we are behind in payments by I believe it's 8 months now. So a doctor who would choose to take on a Medicaid patient, does the work in March, then waits all the way until November to receive payment of 60 cents on the dollar!

And now with this health care reform bill we are expanding Medicare & Medicaid coverage! Thanks, Obama.

Shhh! Don't attempt to inject reality - it's such a buzzkill.

 

[shira]

Because we have a right to LIFE.. not healthcare.

The irony of your statement escapes you.

 

[Craig234]

yep, in general i'm against the term limit arguments but days like this show that those now sitting in those seats can not understand the purpose of those positions as the ones that created them.

The problem with this is how it ignores the realities of the power in our society in concentrated places.

It's amazing the naivete so many in the public with when their eyes glaze over when the problem is pointed out in general - 'ya, ya' - but when it manifests itself on an actual issue, they pretend they never heard of the issue and are simply shocked that the Congressmen are impacted whatsoever by anything but an innocent, pure public-interest agena.

It's their naivete and ignoring the issue earlier that's a big part of the problem.

It's why I often quote, "Politicians have to LOOK good to the voters, and DO good for the donors."

There's no point in blaming the politicians when the problem is the power setup that lets the concentrated private powers determine so much who wins.

Getting rid of one set in that situation virtually guarantees getting someone similar instead, because the underling issue wasn't solved. But people refuse to deal with the real issue.

Even Rep. Massa of all people, as he resigned and got to 'speak freely', said the one burning issue for the country without which nothing else can be solved is campaign finance reform.

"Ya, ya."

 

[rudder]

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYUeBnitz7nU

A new dawn for American indeed.

 

[2Xtreme21]

You must have health insurance, or you will be penalized. If you don't see what is wrong with that, then you are beyond help.

Ok, and you also must have car insurance in every state in the US. 404 issue not found.

 

[Linflas]

The irony of your statement escapes you.

The irony I see is your failure to understand that your right to life and your right to contract for healthcare does not imply a right to force others to pay for your healthcare.

 

[nonlnear]

Ok, and you also must have car insurance in every state in the US. 404 issue not found.

When you crash your car into somebody, the damages inflicted are due to the physical act. There is no act of government which can make the physical damage go away. The only thing that can be done to remedy the situation is arrive at a settlement of some sort. When you walk into an ER the damages inflicted on the rest of the population are due to a voluntary act of Congress which requires the service to be provided. The financial damages are caused by the burden imposed by the government on the system, not by your act of being sick and uninsured.

And no, I wasn't (necessarily )saying that all ERs shouldn't be required to treat prior to securing payment - that's a separate issue. I was just pointing out one of the ethical differences between the two scenarios.

 

[nobodyknows]

Now they have this dumb ass Cadillac tax going to kick in as if that would hurt anyone with money. All that assures is that those who sacrifice to get better care will be punished for it. What stupid fucks.

Damn, that's funny.... and sigworthy at the same time.

 

[Linflas]

When you crash your car into somebody, the damages inflicted are due to the physical act. There is no act of government which can make the physical damage go away. The only thing that can be done to remedy the situation is arrive at a settlement of some sort. When you walk into an ER the damages inflicted on the rest of the population are due to a voluntary act of Congress which requires the service to be provided. The financial damages are caused by the burden imposed by the government on the system, not by your act of being sick and uninsured.

And no, I wasn't (necessarily )saying that all ERs shouldn't be required to treat prior to securing payment - that's a separate issue. I was just pointing out one of the ethical differences between the two scenarios.

The car insurance requirement is a straw man. The requirement to carry auto insurance is based on the idea that driving an automobile on a public highway is a privilege, not a right. Insurance is just one of several requirements you must meet to enjoy that privilege. Purchasing tags, registering the vehicle, and passing tests before obtaining a license are other requirements involved with the privilege of driving. The only similarity between auto insurance and health insurance is the word insurance.

 

[nobodyknows]

The irony I see is your failure to understand that your right to life and your right to contract for healthcare does not imply a right to force others to pay for your healthcare.

But it's perfectly fine to force people to pay for wars they don't believe in? Or work jobs with no benifits? LOL@U

Sorry but the goverenment is the one doing the "forcing", not the individual. And it's doing it through due process, so whine away like the bunch of spoiled crybabies you are.

 

[shadow9d9]

Hi, I live in Barrack Obama's home state of Illinois, where even with the stimulus handouts our out state government is in debt to Medicaid by $1.5 billion, we are behind in payments by I believe it's 8 months now. So a doctor who would choose to take on a Medicaid patient, does the work in March, then waits all the way until November to receive payment of 60 cents on the dollar!

And now with this health care reform bill we are expanding Medicare & Medicaid coverage! Thanks, Obama.

Oh NO!!!! Covering more americans!?!?!!? Are you upset we are ONLY spending 3 trillion+ on killing 100,000 iraqis and 20,000 americans?

NOOO!!!

 

[Pens1566]

The irony I see is your failure to understand that your right to life and your right to contract for healthcare does not imply a right to force others to pay for your healthcare.

The irony is that you're ALREADY paying for others healthcare at a much more expensive rate. Moron.

 

[shadow9d9]

The irony I see is your failure to understand that your right to life and your right to contract for healthcare does not imply a right to force others to pay for your healthcare.

Eh, we have to pay taxes for others to go to school. Don't like that either, right?

 

[BoberFett]

Threads like these are always so amusing. They show Democrats for the horrible, hateful people they truly are. Their "humanity" extends only far enough to use as a club against anyone they hate.

 

[nonlnear]

The car insurance requirement is a straw man. The requirement to carry auto insurance is based on the idea that driving an automobile on a public highway is a privilege, not a right.

I was simply pointing out another difference between the two. There certainly are many.