I don't see where LOLyourFace mentioned "lugging" the engine. A slight 'struggling' feeling isn't exactly lugging it. I suspect it's right at that halfway point where an automatic would be 'hunting' between 3rd and overdrive. Seems like most people on this board unload their cars before they're very old. I'm surprised there's so much concern for how this might hurt the car in 'the long run'. Hell, if you're going to sell it before 6 or 7 years, drive it however you want. Beat the crap out of it, who cares?
when i come to a stop, i keep it in gear until the rpm drops to around 1000, then i shift to neutrual and break to stop.
i don't depress the clutch at the stop light because why? there's no good reason to press it down for 30+ secs. i sometimes even let go of the break if i'm sitting in a flat surface and not rolling forward or back..
if i know the light's gonna change soon, i might shift into first, to get a better start. when i first got my manual i used to have the clurch depressed, but the better i got at it, the less i have the clutch pressed down. esp when upshifting i usually push the clutch down enough to put the gear in, then off i go.
as for keeping the rpm below 2k while coasting then trying to accelerate on a non v-8 engine wastes much more gas than being in a lower gear with slightly higher rpm. that sound engine's making while trying to speed up a low revs is it sucking up gas. i say on nov v-8s, since most v8s have higher torque at lower rpms, and a low redline than a v-6 or a straight 4. so it's less of a stress for that engine to speed up from a lower rpm. as for the fuel economy, have you heard of an efficient v8?
i don't depress the clutch at the stop light because why? there's no good reason to press it down for 30+ secs. i sometimes even let go of the break if i'm sitting in a flat surface and not rolling forward or back..
if i know the light's gonna change soon, i might shift into first, to get a better start. when i first got my manual i used to have the clurch depressed, but the better i got at it, the less i have the clutch pressed down. esp when upshifting i usually push the clutch down enough to put the gear in, then off i go.
as for keeping the rpm below 2k while coasting then trying to accelerate on a non v-8 engine wastes much more gas than being in a lower gear with slightly higher rpm. that sound engine's making while trying to speed up a low revs is it sucking up gas. i say on nov v-8s, since most v8s have higher torque at lower rpms, and a low redline than a v-6 or a straight 4. so it's less of a stress for that engine to speed up from a lower rpm. as for the fuel economy, have you heard of an efficient v8?
"...another meaningless argument on the internet."
You're one of those people with their thumb up their ass when the light changes, aren't ya?
I just got stuck behind one of those nimrods this evening. After he finished screwing around with his cell phone, or picking his nose, or whatever the fvck he was doing, he was several car lengths behind. The light turned yellow long before he reached it, but he went through anyway. I'm stuck their bitching and my wife wonders why I'm pissed. I told her, "Because of that moron's pulling his dick, I gotta sit here for another GD light!" She just doesn't get it...
You're one of those people with their thumb up their ass when the light changes, aren't ya?
I just got stuck behind one of those nimrods this evening. After he finished screwing around with his cell phone, or picking his nose, or whatever the fvck he was doing, he was several car lengths behind. The light turned yellow long before he reached it, but he went through anyway. I'm stuck their bitching and my wife wonders why I'm pissed. I told her, "Because of that moron's pulling his dick, I gotta sit here for another GD light!" She just doesn't get it...
JulesMaximus
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Okay, there's a bunch of misinformation flying around here so here goes. Holding the clutch in while stopped at a light is not going to adversely affect anything. Even though it may wear the throw out bearing a little more than not holding it in it isn't going to be significant and chances are you will replace the clutch before then anyway (especially if you're new to manual transmissions). That said, I usually let it out and rest my foot on the dead pedal because I had a racing clutch in my last stick and it was mighty stiff. I'd just slide it in before the light changed or when I anticipated the light changing and wait.
Do not rest your foot on the clutch pedal EVER-that's what the dead pedal is for!!! Doing so WILL wear out the clutch much faster than normal.
Engine braking is normal and will not cause any significant wear on the transmission or drivetrain (slightly more wear on the clutch but not much as long as you match revs and don't grind gears). I highly recommend engine braking if decending a long steep grade as your brakes will overheat and warp if you ride them instead of simply running in a low gear which will not harm the drivetrain.
Do not rest your foot on the clutch pedal EVER-that's what the dead pedal is for!!! Doing so WILL wear out the clutch much faster than normal.
Engine braking is normal and will not cause any significant wear on the transmission or drivetrain (slightly more wear on the clutch but not much as long as you match revs and don't grind gears). I highly recommend engine braking if decending a long steep grade as your brakes will overheat and warp if you ride them instead of simply running in a low gear which will not harm the drivetrain.
I shift into neutral at red lights out of habit. I am shifted into 1st ready to go before the light turns green and if it turns green while stopping I just leave it in gear and go. I don't need to search for the right gear because I downshifted to the correct gear for the speed.
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Idling along at 2000 rpm is fine but if you plan to accelerate then you should downshift. I had a '94 Stang GT and never thought twice about running it up to 5000rpm if I needed a good burst of speed. I put over 100k miles on it before selling it and it never needed any engine work and it never leaked a bit of fluid.
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Odd how the original clutch in my "hauling stuff around and going camping and mountain biking" '93 Toyota V6 4x4 has over 125k miles on it and yet still shifts smoothly and can still light up the 33" tires if I want to. Must be because I spread misinformation about how to drive a manual
Oh yeah, and whether or not it's okay to accelerate from 2,000rpm varies greatly depending on the car. In a diesel, for example, that might be about redline. Or in the truck mentioned above, it redlines at 5,000 rpm and the torque begins to come on at 1,500. But in a VTEC Honda with an 8,000-9,000 rpm redline, that might be lugging it a bit. It also would depend on whether you were going uphill, downhill, or on the flat.
Oh yeah, and whether or not it's okay to accelerate from 2,000rpm varies greatly depending on the car. In a diesel, for example, that might be about redline. Or in the truck mentioned above, it redlines at 5,000 rpm and the torque begins to come on at 1,500. But in a VTEC Honda with an 8,000-9,000 rpm redline, that might be lugging it a bit. It also would depend on whether you were going uphill, downhill, or on the flat.
This statement is much too broad to be correct.
Shift regularly from 1st to 3rd at 2000RPM in your Honda and see how your engine likes it.
I realize this is a bit dramatic, but the point is that it is not good for your engine to lug it or make it struggle.. The gears are there for a reason, use them. Of course if you have a big torquey V8, things will be different.As Vic says, lugging or struggling will wear at your crankpins and bigend rod bearings.. not to mention pound on your mains if they're a little worn already.
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