Manhunt for cop killer in Los Angeles

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Darwin333

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Sulaco said:
That means next to nothing, especially given the wild supposition and outright inaccuracies of today's new media.

SWAT and other federal and state elite response units (FBI HRT, etc) often wear full kevlar vests, body armor, nomex masks, and helmets, along with camoflage or similar colored fatigues, when on High Risk Warrant service, hostage rescue, etc.

To a bunch of imbeciles, or sensation seeking news media, I'm sure they'd "mistake" them for Navy SEALs, or whatever else is in the public's imagination at the moment.
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To be fair it is getting harder for the average person to distinguish between actual .mil and certain LEO groups. They are dressed and equipped quite similarly.
 
shady28

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monovillage said:
Why would they care? It's not their money they're going to be paying out.
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Hammurabi's code, the original code of law, deals with that. And it could be applicable to Dorner, or his accusers, depending on what a jury would say.

Of course, what politician would pass a law like these? I mean, they might as well shoot themselves in the head...
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5. If a judge has given a verdict, rendered a decision, granted a written judgment, and afterward has altered his judgment, that judge shall be prosecuted for altering the judgment he gave and shall pay twelvefold the penalty laid down in that judgment. Further, he shall be publicly expelled from his judgment-seat and shall not return nor take his seat with the judges at a trial.


Some related things that also make a lot of sense :

3. If a man has borne false witness in a trial, or has not established the statement that he has made, if that case be a capital trial, that man shall be put to death.

4. If he has borne false witness in a civil law case, he shall pay the damages in that suit.

Background :

The laws in the Code of Hammurabi reflect the values of Babylonian society. ... The value that Babylonians placed on honesty is demonstrated in the Code by the severe punishments given to individuals who falsely accused others of wrongdoing.
 
Zodiark1593

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Farang said:
With regards to the shooting at innocent people by the cops, it sounds like new procedures need to be put in place. Judging by the limited amount of information we have, it appears what may have happened is
1) Cops(a) are provided a description of the truck Dorner may be driving.
2) Cops(a) spot a truck matching the description they were told and driving in the general direction of a potential target
3) Cops(b), guarding potential target at the house, hear over the radio that a truck matching Dorner's is headed their way
4) Cops(b) give too much weight to this, maybe even as far as misunderstanding and hearing "Dorner is headed your way"
5) Truck drives erratically, because its delivering newspapers
6) Cops(b) thinking they've been told this is Dorner, ignore their own judgment and immediately think they are under attack by the truck driving erratically.

There is really no excuse for it. Even if it had been Dorner, he never opened fire. They were obviously out to kill Dorner without due process. Just because the guy is a cop killer doesn't mean you get to murder him.. don't give him any leeway to mess around, sure, but if he is just driving oddly?
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The fact that the police were swift to attack first indicates either a strong psychological impact, or were told explicitly to kill Dorner. Having read a part of the manifesto, I'm leaning a little toward the latter, though cops are only human, so psychologically, it is plausible to assume a level of fear as well.

I'm not sure whether or not he's killed the police captain yet, but the murder of his daughter tells me Dorner wants to make him suffer as opposed to killing him outright. Targeting the LAPD, or at least, giving that impression also seems logical. Murdering the boyfriend of the captain's daughter, however, strikes me as a little odd. Killing the daughter to make her father suffer, yes, seems plausible if somewhat low, but why kill the boyfriend as well. Dorner doesn't strike me as a mass murdering madman, so theoretically, those that don't fit his target group should be relatively safe from aggression. Did the boyfriend have a direct connection with the LAPD?

Regardless of the circumstances, the police have a very strong enemy on their hands. As opposed to going after someone who maintains connections to a gang or family and friends, chasing a loner is akin to finding a hay in the needle stack. Military knowledge (thorough knowledge of weapons, strategy, survival, etc) I feel is a much more dangerous weapon than guns alone. This guy can shoot straight, seems to be skilled in guerrilla warfare, can survive alone with no connections to friends and family, and can quickly and accurately assess his situation and determine his next action on the fly. Woe be us all if gangs and criminal groups started training like this.

Anyway, if anything I wrote is wrong, I'll probably figure that out as I read further into the manifesto, or have better opportunity to read the news. (no home internet currently, written on my 3DS at Starbucks)
 
Phokus

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I've always wondered why the LAPD has so many problems but other cities in CA don't seem to have this reputation. You never hear about widespread police misconduct in the san francisco or san diego police departments.
 
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LA is a lot bigger and the worst parts of the bay area (say Oakland) is about on par with the bad part of Long Beach. LA is ginormous.
 
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randomrogue said:
LA is a lot bigger and the worst parts of the bay area (say Oakland) is about on par with the bad part of Long Beach. LA is ginormous.
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This, plus I believe the cop:citizen ratio is much lower for LAPD than other police departments. Add in past (and current) problems with racism and possibly gang infiltration of LAPD in the shittier parts of town (I've heard this one a couple times, not sure as to its authenticity) and you end up with a total mess.

I think gangs tend to be a much bigger problem in the shittier parts of LA than they are in most of the bay area generally.

There is now a 1 million dollar reward on the guy's head, per CNN. Some funny quotes from the story:

"We will not tolerate anyone undermining the security, the tranquility of our neighborhoods and our communities," Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa told reporters. "We will not tolerate this reign of terror that has robbed us of the peace of mind that residents of Southern California deserve. We will not tolerate this murderer remaining at large."
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Reign of terror? hell, I'm much more afraid of the cops at this point.

edit: linky http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/10/us/lapd-attacks/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
 
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zanejohnson

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the whole point of all of this,

ok, so the lapd has alot of "work" to do..

in the bad parts of LA... what do you think they are doing in the bad parts of LA?

they do drugs.. and the business that mitigates it, under prohibiton.. this is basically NY during prohibiton that we see here..

all those "gangs" would go away if prohibtion ended.. or would at least turn into modern day "mafia." who is very much still around, only they are the people in the upper echelons of society.. they went from moonshiner's, to top lobbyists.. that's what needs to be seen here..
 
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zanejohnson said:
the whole point of all of this,

ok, so the lapd has alot of "work" to do..

in the bad parts of LA... what do you think they are doing in the bad parts of LA?

they do drugs.. and the business that mitigates it, under prohibiton.. this is basically NY during prohibiton that we see here..

all those "gangs" would go away if prohibtion ended.. or would at least turn into modern day "mafia." who is very much still around, only they are the people in the upper echelons of society.. they went from moonshiner's, to top lobbyists.. that's what needs to be seen here..
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Or the LAPD should have made a consious decision to clean out the bad areas. They know what is going on and still tolerate it. Keep it at the noise level and it justifies excuses. Just below escalation and well above leimination (which can not be guarenteed)
 
zanejohnson

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EagleKeeper said:
Or the LAPD should have made a consious decision to clean out the bad areas. They know what is going on and still tolerate it. Keep it at the noise level and it justifies excuses. Just below escalation and well above leimination (which can not be guarenteed)
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except they cannot stop it and they know it.

it is something that has/will be in place long before you and i got here, long before/after you and i or them, will be gone.
 
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raildogg

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Cop killer? Is there a distinction now between people based on their occupation? Or is killing a cop worse than killing someone else?
 
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Dari

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EagleKeeper said:
Or the LAPD should have made a consious decision to clean out the bad areas. They know what is going on and still tolerate it. Keep it at the noise level and it justifies excuses. Just below escalation and well above leimination (which can not be guarenteed)
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Why would the LAPD want to get rid of such gritty areas when they provide job security? In the manifesto, the guy says that police enjoy a homicide because it creates a lot of overtime (waiting at the scene, courts, etc...).
 
zanejohnson

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Dari said:
Why would the LAPD want to get rid of such gritty areas when they provide job security? In the manifesto, the guy says that police enjoy a homicide because it creates a lot of overtime (waiting at the scene, courts, etc...).
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yep, i love how all the things i've known for so long, are finally coming to light in the eye of everyone else.. this is great.
 
Svnla

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QueBert said:
He witnessed cops doing illegal shit so he tries to expose them. And due to that is "let go" from the force. I Don't think it has a lot to do with racism, and while his current actions aren't right, it's not like he's doing what he's doing for absolutely no fucking reason. The guy didn't fail at life at all, he actually tried to do something to get the ball rolling towards cleaning up the crooked ass LAPD. He also found a bag with $8,000 and turned it right in. He sounds like a fucking stand up guy who was pushed over the edge if you ask me.

And just so you know, it's well know the LAPD's racist as fuck, both internally and externally. His claims are more than likely valid.
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Did you even bother to read the article that I cited at all before you replied?

He claimed that a Sgt hit and abused a guy but Internal Affair plus multiple witnesses said otherwise. Wait, wait, I get it now. IA and those witnesses were racists, right? Gang up and keep da good black man down, right yo? :D

He broke down and was not fit (mentally) to be a cop, therefore, he was terminated.

Black guy fail in life then claimed racism/racist(s) to justify his wrong doings. Color me shock!!!! NOT :rolleyes:

Oh, it is you, QB. Justifying/making excuses for blacks for their wrong doings by any mean/way necessary. Nothing new here to see, folks.
 
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Darwin333

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EagleKeeper said:
Or the LAPD should have made a consious decision to clean out the bad areas. They know what is going on and still tolerate it. Keep it at the noise level and it justifies excuses. Just below escalation and well above leimination (which can not be guarenteed)
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The Government has made the illegal drug trade absurdly lucrative. You can take out all of the dealers in LA and they will be replaced within days.
 
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Dari

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Svnla said:
Did you even bother to read the article that I cited at all before you replied?

He claimed that a Sgt hit and abused a guy but Internal Affair plus multiple witnesses said otherwise. Wait, wait, I get it now. IA and those witnesses were racists, right? Gang up and keep da good black man down, right yo? :D

He broke down and was not fit (mentally) to be a cop, therefore, he was terminated.

Black guy fail in life then claimed racism/racist(s) to justify his wrong doings. Color me shock!!!! NOT :rolleyes:

Oh, it is you, QB. Justifying/making excuses for blacks for their wrong doings by any mean/way necessary. Nothing new here to see, folks.
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I think you're wrong. But we will see if anything changes with this re-opening of the investigation.
 
Svnla

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Dari said:
I think you're wrong. But we will see if anything changes with this re-opening of the investigation.
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Don't get me wrong. We all know LAPD has a long history of racism. But until I see more information of the "alleged" racism/racists as this guy said from valid news outlets (not some personal blogs), my points (he was making excuses) are still stand.
 
QueBert

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Svnla said:
Did you even bother to read the article that I cited at all before you replied?

He claimed that a Sgt hit and abused a guy but Internal Affair plus multiple witnesses said otherwise. Wait, wait, I get it now. IA and those witnesses were racists, right? Gang up and keep da good black man down, right yo? :D
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There are also witnesses who side with his story, color me surprised IA didn't find anything wrong. IA never finds anything wrong with the LAPD, they're either the most crooked people on the planet, or the most stupid. This is a guy who found 8 thousand dollars and turned it in without so much as a second thought, and he blew the whistle on the LAPD. He hasn't failed at life like you said. Due to all this current shit, the LAPD is going to be investigated by non IA people and shit will hit the fan.
 
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