Manhunt for cop killer in Los Angeles

[Brovane]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CjJCEMAqJiI

Some of the information is wrong in this video. In CA.50BMG rifles are in-deed illegal however you can legally posses one owned before the ban. However it isn't illegal for Law Enforcement agencies to own them or purchase them. What happened is that after the ban the most well known manufacturer of .50 BMG rifles Barrett firearms told all Law Enforcement agencies in CA they would no longer sell or service their rifles for any LE agency in CA. However other companies besides Barrett manufacturer .50 BMG rifles.

Also what isn't mentioned is that for Law Enforcement personnel in CA their are different rules/regulations for the purchase of "Assault Rifles" and other weapons than for a normal civilian. Even for their personnel use. Basically in CA a Law Enforcement person can purchase assault weapons for personnel use. I wondered if any of the Assault Weapons the gunman has acquired where purchased with the help of this exemption.

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/California-lawmen-own-thousands-of-assault-guns-2419283.php#page-1

 

[Lithium381]

I'm curious to know the reasoning behind allowing LEO to purchase "illegal" firearm for personal use. I understand having to use them for their job, but that's a slap in the face to every citizen . .

 

[Farang]

I'm curious to know the reasoning behind allowing LEO to purchase "illegal" firearm for personal use. I understand having to use them for their job, but that's a slap in the face to every citizen . .

The LEO lobby is usually pro-gun control so when the topic is being debated that is one less opponent for the NRA. The token reason is probably related to training on personal time

 

[DrPizza]

He's a reserve intel officer. He understands targeting. He was an LAPD officer, he understands manhunts.

If I were him I would have torched that truck in the mountains to waste the police's resources on a pointless search. I'd have gone to a preplaced car not registered to me and driven away calmly. I'd have to lay low for a few months until my name and face fade from the minds of law enforcement in the area, but that entire time, everyone that ever wronged me would be living in fear. I'd watch them and wait for those protective details to disappear, then go back about my work. I'd have spent the last 2 years getting ready for this, and since there's nothing else I want to do with my life, I'm willing to wait to make sure I get everyone that deserves it.

First, from an Admin here, it's nice to see that this thread straightened out and got back on topic after I removed 100 or so posts. -Admin DrPizza

I was previously thinking "what if" along the lines of Nebor's post. If he "suddenly" cracked and started all this, then the situation isn't a heck of a lot different than searching for other known and dangerous murderers. But, given his training, and the weapons he may possibly have, then if he carefully planned this out over a year or so, then this whole situation may take a long time before it ends. With food stockpiled, and an alias, he can wait it out for a long time. Heck, if he lived in one of the camps up the road from me, I'd never know it was him.

 

[spidey07]

I'm still thinking Rambo first blood.

 

[SSSnail]

First, from an Admin here, it's nice to see that this thread straightened out and got back on topic after I removed 100 or so posts. -Admin DrPizza

I was previously thinking "what if" along the lines of Nebor's post. If he "suddenly" cracked and started all this, then the situation isn't a heck of a lot different than searching for other known and dangerous murderers. But, given his training, and the weapons he may possibly have, then if he carefully planned this out over a year or so, then this whole situation may take a long time before it ends. With food stockpiled, and an alias, he can wait it out for a long time. Heck, if he lived in one of the camps up the road from me, I'd never know it was him.

I think he planned this, because if he just suddenly cracked, he'd just be randomly shooting cops. His first targets were what he said he'd do, kill the daughter of the ex-cop and his representative in his appeals.

 

[Farang]

I think he planned this, because if he just suddenly cracked, he'd just be randomly shooting cops. His first targets were what he said he'd do, kill the daughter of the ex-cop and his representative in his appeals.

And that killing wasn't random. He probably planned to catch them in the parking garage for an easier getaway.

Everything points to careful planning from my perspective. The last manhunt we had here in WA, the dude just got out of his car and shot a random park ranger. That's why it wasn't so surprising they found him dead in the snow a few hours later.

 

[spidey07]

Is it any surprise far left extremist groups are coming out in support of this mass murderer?

Occupy being far left communist terrorists

 

[Zorkorist]

Pretty wild. California wins for nutso bank robbers, nutso car chases, and now for nutso revengeful police officers.

-John

 

[Nintendesert]

Is it any surprise far left extremist groups are coming out in support of this mass murderer?

Occupy being far left communist terrorists

Let them. This whole situation is great at showing just how inept the LAPD is and the whole philosophy that only police, like the LAPD, should possess guns. :awe:

 

[Svnla]

So this guy failed in life, then blamed "racists/racism" aka pull the race card.

When Dorner, a Naval reservist, returned to LAPD after deployment to the Middle East in 2007, a training officer became alarmed by his conduct, which included weeping in a police car and threatening to file a lawsuit against the department, records show.
Six days after being notified in August 2007 that he could be removed from the field, Dorner accused the training officer, Sgt. Teresa Evans, of kicking a severely mentally ill man in the chest and left cheek while handcuffing him during an arrest.
However, his report to internal affairs came two weeks after the arrest, police and court records allege. Civilian and police witnesses said they didn't see Evans kick the man, who had a quarter-inch scratch on his cheek consistent with his fall into a bush. A police review board ruled against Dorner, leading to his dismissal.

http://news.yahoo.com/fugitives-rant-puts-focus-evolving-lapd-legacy-190148754.html

Racists made him killed those folks too, right? <eyes rolling>

What happens to "I am my own man. It is no one else fault but my own"?

 

[Doppel]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CjJCEMAqJiI

HAHAHAHA

This guy doesn't have a surface to air missile. Fucking hell, what is wrong with the news? What's next, he has a small stash of nuclear arms? A force of robot warriors? What utter trash. The guy didn't even point out that the chances of a civilian actually having a SAM are about one in eleventy billion.

Lastly, that rifle isn't very scary. It's, for once, an actual weapon of war. It's very heavy and unlikely he's going to be running around the streets of LA with it.

 

[PottedMeat]

hay this makes up for shooting you and your truck right?

LATimes: LAPD will give new truck to women shot by officers

The action does not necessarily preclude a lawsuit from the women or a settlement.

:awe:

 

[Jaskalas]

I hear there's video played on the news of "military" men exiting a chopper. Do we have special forces hunting this guy, and what does that say of Posse Comitatus?

 

[waggy]

hay this makes up for shooting you and your truck right?

LATimes: LAPD will give new truck to women shot by officers

:awe:

so if they say killed your kid would they give you a foster child? :hmm:

 

[Capt Caveman]

Pretty wild. California wins for nutso bank robbers, nutso car chases, and now for nutso revengeful police officers.

-John

And CO has nutso teenagers.

 

[waggy]

Pretty wild. California wins for nutso bank robbers, nutso car chases, and now for nutso revengeful police officers.

-John

you forgot the nutso politicians.

 

[Sulaco]

I hear there's video played on the news of "military" men exiting a chopper. Do we have special forces hunting this guy, and what does that say of Posse Comitatus?

That means next to nothing, especially given the wild supposition and outright inaccuracies of today's new media.

SWAT and other federal and state elite response units (FBI HRT, etc) often wear full kevlar vests, body armor, nomex masks, and helmets, along with camoflage or similar colored fatigues, when on High Risk Warrant service, hostage rescue, etc.

To a bunch of imbeciles, or sensation seeking news media, I'm sure they'd "mistake" them for Navy SEALs, or whatever else is in the public's imagination at the moment.

 

[Darwin333]

I agree but there was potentially a miscommunication that the cops who initially saw the truck were interpreted as saying "Dorner is coming your way we just saw him" and then a minute later that truck shows up, so they are trusting the identification of their fellow officers.

Just speculating, and doesn't absolve anyone of blame

Completely irrelevant.

You do not fire your weapon unless YOU have personally identified the target. Period. Full stop. End of story.

They could have been told that it was definitely him and they had great intel that he was on his way to kill them and it still wouldn't matter. You simply can not discharge your weapon without identifying your target. To do otherwise is grossly negligent and in this case amounts to attempted murder imo.

Furthermore, the fact that it was two women delivering newspapers brings up a very important question. What actions did those women take that during the encounter that made the cops believe they (or someone else) was in imminent danger that warranted the use of a fuckload of deadly force.

 

[Darwin333]

First, from an Admin here, it's nice to see that this thread straightened out and got back on topic after I removed 100 or so posts. -Admin DrPizza

I was previously thinking "what if" along the lines of Nebor's post. If he "suddenly" cracked and started all this, then the situation isn't a heck of a lot different than searching for other known and dangerous murderers. But, given his training, and the weapons he may possibly have, then if he carefully planned this out over a year or so, then this whole situation may take a long time before it ends. With food stockpiled, and an alias, he can wait it out for a long time. Heck, if he lived in one of the camps up the road from me, I'd never know it was him.

The fact that he has attacked the police, which unlike attacking a civilian (or sillyvan as most LEO call us) basically stops all other LEO work for that department while they focus all of their attention solely on you, and he is still at large makes me think he had this well planned. Criminals that run from the cops don't usually make it far because they do shit in the heat of the moment. They don't have a backup plan and often run to predictable places. To make matters worse, criminals motivation is almost always solely to get away. His motivation appears to be to survive so he can inflict more damage to the LAPD and its quite likely that his next attack was planned before this even started.

 

[Darwin333]

Let them. This whole situation is great at showing just how inept the LAPD is and the whole philosophy that only police, like the LAPD, should possess guns. :awe:

That part doesn't matter at all damnit!!! He is a LIBERAL!! Don't you get it, he is a LIBERAL damnit!! That is the only thing that matters and is obviously the root cause of his actions. The crap with the LAPD had nothing to do with him going and/or being batshit crazy, his political leaning is dictating the entirety of his actions!

 

[OrByte]

this guy is using diversions

he has police forces in all weather gear hunting for him in the snowy mountains?!

yeah...when the mexican border is just miles away.

c'mon.

 

[randomrogue]

Besides the movie Rambo has there ever been a guy who ran around doing diversionary tactics and putting a city on lockdown? The closest we get are serial killers like the Night Stalker. That was pretty horrible before they caught him. Before that maybe the Zodiac in the bay area since he had people afraid he was going to blow up school buses. This guy though is trained and could really fuck them up if he's patient.

 

[QueBert]

So this guy failed in life, then blamed "racists/racism" aka pull the race card.



http://news.yahoo.com/fugitives-rant-puts-focus-evolving-lapd-legacy-190148754.html

Racists made him killed those folks too, right? <eyes rolling>

What happens to "I am my own man. It is no one else fault but my own"?

He witnessed cops doing illegal shit so he tries to expose them. And due to that is "let go" from the force. I Don't think it has a lot to do with racism, and while his current actions aren't right, it's not like he's doing what he's doing for absolutely no fucking reason. The guy didn't fail at life at all, he actually tried to do something to get the ball rolling towards cleaning up the crooked ass LAPD. He also found a bag with $8,000 and turned it right in. He sounds like a fucking stand up guy who was pushed over the edge if you ask me.

And just so you know, it's well know the LAPD's racist as fuck, both internally and externally. His claims are more than likely valid.

 

[Darwin333]

hay this makes up for shooting you and your truck right?

LATimes: LAPD will give new truck to women shot by officers

:awe:

lol, I would have liked to have heard that conversation.

"Hey how are you doing"

"Well, I have been shot in the back a few times so not so good."

"Umm, about that, we are very sorry for shooting the shit out of you and your truck. You looked JUST like the 6' tall black guy we were looking for, honest. But I have great news! We are going to replace the truck that we shot the shit out of."

"Umm, what are you going to do about the bullets in my back?"

"Hey you ungrateful bitch, most people we shoot on accident we usually make up charges on them and cost them a ton of money defending against our bullshit charges. You better damn well be happy with what we are offering or I'll arrest your ass right now for resisting arrest and assault on a police officer"

"But I am in a hospital bed....."

-cop pulls his tazer out-

"umm, thanks for the truck"