Manhunt for cop killer in Los Angeles

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monovillage

monovillage

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zanejohnson said:
yep, interesting story no doubt..

some are calling him a martyr..
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Let's see if I have this right, maybe it's just me.
A guy claims he was railroaded out of the L.A. police department on false charges in 2009. Somehow this also costs him his job with the U.S. military. 3 years later he (allegedly) murders the daughter of a guy that represented him, he also (allegedly)murders the girls fiance. He then (allegedly)murders a police officer connected to the case. He then randomly (allegedly)shots 3 other police officers that had no connection to his case who just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. He then writes a manifesto saying he's going to kill the families of other police officers.

Then a bunch of stupid fucking losers on the internet try to make him out as some kind of hero/anti-hero because he's as big a dumb fuck as they are?

Is that accurate?
 
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Dari

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randomrogue said:
I have really mixed feelings about this guy. The LAPD is a messed up police force that polices a messed up city. I hope that at the very least they really have a proper investigation and root out more scum from the force.

It's odd to not feel like he's a "bad guy" though. I'm going to go with innocent until proven guilty. The Police on the other hand have shot up innocent people trying to get him.
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The problem with this is that the LAPD has ALWAYS been like this. They are extremely violent and racist. They've been like this for decades. It's hard to change a culture like that overnight. It would take a concerted effort and, if it ever does happen, it won't be pretty. You would've thought the Rodney King incident would've changed these guys but it did not. Add the fact that gangs are infiltrating this department and the level of corruption is on another level altogether.
 
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Dari

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monovillage said:
Let's see if I have this right, maybe it's just me.
A guy claims he was railroaded out of the L.A. police department on false charges in 2009. Somehow this also costs him his job with the U.S. military. 3 years later he (allegedly) murders the daughter of a guy that represented him, he also (allegedly)murders the girls fiance. He then (allegedly)murders a police officer connected to the case. He then randomly (allegedly)shots 3 other police officers that had no connection to his case who just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. He then writes a manifesto saying he's going to kill the families of other police officers.

Then a bunch of stupid fucking losers on the internet try to make him out as some kind of hero/anti-hero because he's as big a dumb fuck as they are?

Is that accurate?
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No.
 
Cerb

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zanejohnson said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=CjJCEMAqJiI
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I love how the weapons are scary. How many times did he say that?

The man is what should be scary. He's shown himself worthy of being feared. What makes him most dangerous is his body and mind. Unless he's really planned this out, though, the winter weather will probably make this whole situation end fairly quickly.

Depending on how the LAPD and public continue, though...is anybody up for an L.A. Riots sequel? I could seriously imagine that happening, again.
 
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Farang

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Cerb said:
I love how the weapons are scary. How many times did he say that?

The man is what should be scary. He's shown himself worthy of being feared. What makes him most dangerous is his body and mind. Unless he's really planned this out, though, the winter weather will probably make this whole situation end fairly quickly.

Depending on how the LAPD and public continue, though...is anybody up for an L.A. Riots sequel? I could seriously imagine that happening, again.
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There's no evidence he is still in the snowy area that we see in the pictures. Outside of that area you're in Southern California which is very livable. In fact I don't really understand the focus on that area given that he set his car on fire.. given the state of the car that did not seem spontaneous (he did a really good job of destroying it).

He is probably either long gone or in a safe house he set up planning next steps. Or dead. I think least likely is that he is in some desperate situation in the woods
 
waggy

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Farang said:
There's no evidence he is still in the snowy area that we see in the pictures. Outside of that area you're in Southern California which is very livable. In fact I don't really understand the focus on that area given that he set his car on fire.. given the state of the car that did not seem spontaneous (he did a really good job of destroying it).

He is probably either long gone or in a safe house he set up planning next steps. Or dead. I think least likely is that he is in some desperate situation in the woods
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i was thinking the same.
 
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Darwin333

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Farang said:
With regards to the shooting at innocent people by the cops, it sounds like new procedures need to be put in place. Judging by the limited amount of information we have, it appears what may have happened is
1) Cops(a) are provided a description of the truck Dorner may be driving.
2) Cops(a) spot a truck matching the description they were told and driving in the general direction of a potential target
3) Cops(b), guarding potential target at the house, hear over the radio that a truck matching Dorner's is headed their way
4) Cops(b) give too much weight to this, maybe even as far as misunderstanding and hearing "Dorner is headed your way"
5) Truck drives erratically, because its delivering newspapers
6) Cops(b) thinking they've been told this is Dorner, ignore their own judgment and immediately think they are under attack by the truck driving erratically.

There is really no excuse for it. Even if it had been Dorner, he never opened fire. They were obviously out to kill Dorner without due process. Just because the guy is a cop killer doesn't mean you get to murder him.. don't give him any leeway to mess around, sure, but if he is just driving oddly?
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No new policies need to be implemented because existing ones, as well as the rules everyone else has to abide by when discharging their weapons, already cover this.

Specifically: You do not fire your weapon unless you have identified your target. Period. Full stop. End of story.

Since the people in the truck weren't even the same race or sex as the person they were looking for there is absolutely no argument for "mistaken identity".
 
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Darwin333

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Don Vito Corleone said:
The police didn't "attempt to murder innocent people." They made some really awful errors in judgment, but it's not as though they were intentionally shooting at innocents - they thought they were shooting at Dorner.
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But you would agree that due to the gross negligence they displayed that attempted murder would be the proper charge, right?
 
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Darwin333

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Emos said:
Exactly. This is a terrible lapse in judgement and I personally believe those involved in the shootings are not fit to wear a badge (and should be prosecuted honestly) but attempted murder is hyperbole and exaggeration.
I do wonder how much of Dorner's manifesto is true, unfortunately his murders will sweep all of it under the rug.
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How exactly is it hyperbole and exaggeration? They fired their weapons without identifying a target, no reasonable fear for their lives or the lives of others, and many other grossly negligent actions.

What they did was attempt to kill the driver of that truck without knowing who the driver was. Since the driver was an innocent person they attempted to kill an innocent person due to grossly negligent actions. Attempting to kill an innocent person = attempted murder in my book.

If you or I had done that, what would we be charged with? Why should the police not be subject to the law in the same way that you and I are? Are they above the law now?
 
runzwithsizorz

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On a side note, and perhaps I missed it, but I would love to hear something from the 2 ladies that were in that truck. A follow up, a news story, real journalism, something, anything.
WHAT happened before the cops opened fire? What commands were given to them?
Crickets
 
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runzwithsizorz said:
On a side note, and perhaps I missed it, but I would love to hear something from the 2 ladies that were in that truck. A follow up, a news story, real journalism, something, anything.
Crickets
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You actually expect real journalism from the MSM?
 
Emos

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Darwin333 said:
How exactly is it hyperbole and exaggeration? They fired their weapons without identifying a target, no reasonable fear for their lives or the lives of others, and many other grossly negligent actions.

What they did was attempt to kill the driver of that truck without knowing who the driver was. Since the driver was an innocent person they attempted to kill an innocent person due to grossly negligent actions. Attempting to kill an innocent person = attempted murder in my book.

If you or I had done that, what would we be charged with? Why should the police not be subject to the law in the same way that you and I are? Are they above the law now?
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Never did say they were above the law, in fact those responsible are not fit to wear the badge and should be prosecuted. At first attempted murder felt a bit strong to me, but the more I think about it may be accurate. Those officers never even made an attempt to make an arrest, they simply went in with the intent of terminating the suspect.
 
monovillage

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Darwin333 said:
How exactly is it hyperbole and exaggeration? They fired their weapons without identifying a target, no reasonable fear for their lives or the lives of others, and many other grossly negligent actions.

What they did was attempt to kill the driver of that truck without knowing who the driver was. Since the driver was an innocent person they attempted to kill an innocent person due to grossly negligent actions. Attempting to kill an innocent person = attempted murder in my book.

If you or I had done that, what would we be charged with? Why should the police not be subject to the law in the same way that you and I are? Are they above the law now?
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Yes they are, remember Lon Horuchi? Don't expect anything to come of it.
 
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Farang

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Darwin333 said:
No new policies need to be implemented because existing ones, as well as the rules everyone else has to abide by when discharging their weapons, already cover this.

Specifically: You do not fire your weapon unless you have identified your target. Period. Full stop. End of story.

Since the people in the truck weren't even the same race or sex as the person they were looking for there is absolutely no argument for "mistaken identity".
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I agree but there was potentially a miscommunication that the cops who initially saw the truck were interpreted as saying "Dorner is coming your way we just saw him" and then a minute later that truck shows up, so they are trusting the identification of their fellow officers.

Just speculating, and doesn't absolve anyone of blame
 
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