Manhunt for cop killer in Los Angeles

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Nebor

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He's a reserve intel officer. He understands targeting. He was an LAPD officer, he understands manhunts.

If I were him I would have torched that truck in the mountains to waste the police's resources on a pointless search. I'd have gone to a preplaced car not registered to me and driven away calmly. I'd have to lay low for a few months until my name and face fade from the minds of law enforcement in the area, but that entire time, everyone that ever wronged me would be living in fear. I'd watch them and wait for those protective details to disappear, then go back about my work. I'd have spent the last 2 years getting ready for this, and since there's nothing else I want to do with my life, I'm willing to wait to make sure I get everyone that deserves it.
 

shady28

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Yeah because shooting up unarmed innocent kids of these cops is real brave. Dudes psycho period and should be worm food. Not political like last 5 pages want to affix to him, he's crazy and so are you if you really feel that way after having thought this through.

If he targeted complicit officers directly I still have a problem with it cause i'm a law and order kinda guy for most part and world would be pretty screwed up if everyone with a beef just started blasting but I understand. Like Chris Rock said about OJ, I understand.


If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
Louis D. Brandeis


If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law.
Henry David Thoreau


An individual who breaks a law that conscience tells him is unjust, and who willingly accepts the penalty of imprisonment in order to arouse the conscience of the community over its injustice, is in reality expressing the highest respect for the law.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
 

Dari

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haha i grew up in the OC and have two uncles that were LAPD in the 70s when if you talked smack to them you'd be in the hospital for a few weeks with resisting arrest charges. Guess he shouldn't have joined such a well known corrupt org and work to change by becoming a pro bono lawyer for many of their victims. Money they understand and things have gotten better since the 1970s. Almost every PD in the country is highly corrupt this s nothing new - until very recently they filled the KKK's role. This is just insanity and they didnt turn him crazy plenty of people lose their jobs for BS reasons everyday - one colleague of mine had drugs panted in his desk - but didn't go on a shooting spree. Crazy people do that. His GF said he was crazy long ago. This just set him off.

This response if full of contradictions.
 

monovillage

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Business as usual, in the press and in the forums.

The Blame Righty Mob Falls Silent

Question: What will this rabid Blame Righty mob do now that an alleged triple-murderer has singled out prominent lefties in the media and Hollywood for fawning praise as part of his crazed manifesto advocating cop-killing?

Answer: Evade, deflect, ignore and whitewash.

Question: How many times over the past four years have exploitative liberal journalists and Democratic leaders rushed to pin random acts of violence on the tea party, Republicans, Fox News and conservative talk radio?

Answer: Nearly a dozen times, including the 2009 massacre of three Pittsburgh police officers (which lib journos falsely blamed on Fox News, Glenn Beck and the "heated, apocalyptic rhetoric of the anti-Obama forces"); the 2009 suicide insurance scam/murder hoax of Kentucky census worker Bill Sparkman (which New York magazine falsely blamed on Rush Limbaugh, "conservative media personalities, websites and even members of Congress"); the 2009 Holocaust museum shooting (which MSNBC commentator Joan Walsh blamed on Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and yours truly); the 2010 Times Square jihad bomb plot (which Mayor Michael Bloomberg falsely blamed on tea party activists protesting Obamacare); and the 2011 Tucson massacre, which liberals continue to blame on former GOP vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Question: What will this rabid Blame Righty mob do now that an alleged triple-murderer has singled out prominent lefties in the media and Hollywood for fawning praise as part of his crazed manifesto advocating cop-killing?

Answer: Evade, deflect, ignore and whitewash.

This week, former Los Angeles Police Department Officer Christopher Dorner allegedly shot and killed three innocent people in cold blood. He was the subject of a massive manhunt as of Thursday afternoon. Dorner posted an 11,000-word manifesto on Facebook that outlined his chilling plans to target police officers.

CNN headlined its story on the rant: "Alleged cop-killer details threats to LAPD and why he was driven to violence." MSNBC reported: "Manifesto: Alleged Revenge Shooter Named Targets." KTLA-TV in Los Angeles went with: "Christopher Dorner's Manifesto (Disturbing Content and Language)."

There was a curious, blaring omission in both the headlines and the stories from these supposedly objective outlets, though. Dorner expressed rather pointed, explicit views of news personalities and celebrities who have influenced, entertained and uplifted him. Dorner praised stars from Ellen DeGeneres and Charlie Sheen ("you're effin awesome") to "Jennifer Beals, Serena Williams ... Tamron Hall ... Natalie Portman, Queen Latifah ... Kelly Clarkson, Nora Jones, Laura Prepon, Margaret Cho and Rutina Wesley."

The shout-outs to liberal journalists go on at length:

"Chris Matthews, Joe Scarborough, Pat Harvey, Brian Williams, Soledad Obrien (sic), Wolf Blitzer, Meredith Viera (sic), Tavis Smiley and Anderson Cooper, keep up the great work and follow Cronkite's lead," Dorner cheered. "I hold many of you in the same regard as Tom Brokaw and the late Peter Jennings."

Dorner also offered an "atta boy" to notorious, anti-Second Amendment CNN anchor Piers Morgan, suggesting he be given "an indefinite resident alien and Visa card." Offering up his political counsel, Dorner added: "I want you to know that I agree with you 100 percent on enacting stricter firearm laws, but you must understand that your critics will always have in the back of their mind that you are native to a country that we won our sovereignty from while using firearms as a last resort in defense and you come from a country that has no legal private ownership of firearms."Dorner reminded MSNBC's Joe Scarborough that they had "met at McGuire's pub in P-cola in 2002 when I was stationed there. It was an honor conversing with you about politics, family and life." The alleged triple-murderer also advised "Today" show personality Willie Geist: "(Y)ou're a talented and charismatic journalist. Stop with all the talk show shenanigans and get back to your core of reporting. Your future is brighter than most."

It's ridiculous, of course, to blame these journos for the deaths of three innocents in Southern California. But herein lies a teachable moment. In the sick cycle of recent politicized tragedies, the Blame Righty mob demanded that conservative media personalities and GOP politicians apologize for crimes they didn't commit; called for increased regulation of political free speech; and cranked up its decades-old machinery to stifle conservative talk radio in the name of public safety and civility. Even the remotest connection to anything right-wing was excuse enough to convict conservatives for homicidal sprees.

And while the Blame Righty crowd still inveighs about Palin's completely innocent use of crosshairs on a political map, they have fallen silent about the stunning admission of Floyd Lee Corkins, who pleaded guilty this week to attempting to murder members of the conservative Family Research Council in Washington, D.C., last summer.

Corkins said he wanted to "kill as many as possible and smear the Chick-fil-A sandwiches (he had brought) in victims' faces, and kill the guard." How did he pick the office? From a "hate map" published by the left-wing Southern Poverty Law Center -- the leading guilt-by-association witch-hunt crew targeting conservatives.

Ho-hum. Nothing to see here, move along. Be vewwy, vewwy quiet.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2013/02/08/the_blame_righty_mob_falls_silent_116962.html
 

Cerb

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the main problem is not even listed.

They FIRED before they knew who was in the truck. they didn't tell them to get out. they didn't ID themselves they just starting shooting. then you have issues 1-3 you listed.

sad part is they did t his TWICE
Worse yet is that they're not being arrested, charged, and tried. What would be proper, at this juncture, were it not for typical police corruption, would be for the state to treat them as they should be: disgraces to their badges, and violent criminals.

Its somewhat Ironic this guy goes on to blast LAPD for violating civil rights and having a general disregard for life and in turn they blast two trucks without identifying the drivers.
I dunno. They've had 20 years to recover from the riots. That's plenty long enough to rebuild a blue fortress, don't you think?

Regardless of his circumstances, killing two people not themselves involved makes him a straight-up murderer. But, I would be quite surprised if his allegations aren't spot-on, and now several LAPD officers have attempted to commit murder in retaliation. Much like the USPS sprees of old, you can only push some people so far, and the LAPD went past how far they could push him.

Police who were hunting a former LAPD cop accidentally shot a 71-year-old woman and her daughter as they delivered the LA Times, that newspaper reports.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/lapd-officers-hunting-dorner-shot-women-2013-2#ixzz2KKs9xHm8
Excuse me, attempted murder 3 times.

The biggest part of this story is a far left extremist going on a murdering rampage. Let's not forget he is a far left extremist who loved his liberal TV newscasters.
No, the biggest part of this story is that the LAPD is giving his words credence. Where he is or was on the political spectrum has little to do with it.
 
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Generator

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Just saw a little blip with a police conference, look like a bunch of honkeys on a my excellent compatriot hunt. This is probably another PTSD case like that white guy who killed that park officer a while ago. He was all rambo until they found him dead in a creek. Pathetic...

We all know the LAPD are swine, don't bother looking for the good guy in this story. One pig has judge other pigs guilty, no business of ours.
 

Farang

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With regards to the shooting at innocent people by the cops, it sounds like new procedures need to be put in place. Judging by the limited amount of information we have, it appears what may have happened is
1) Cops(a) are provided a description of the truck Dorner may be driving.
2) Cops(a) spot a truck matching the description they were told and driving in the general direction of a potential target
3) Cops(b), guarding potential target at the house, hear over the radio that a truck matching Dorner's is headed their way
4) Cops(b) give too much weight to this, maybe even as far as misunderstanding and hearing "Dorner is headed your way"
5) Truck drives erratically, because its delivering newspapers
6) Cops(b) thinking they've been told this is Dorner, ignore their own judgment and immediately think they are under attack by the truck driving erratically.

There is really no excuse for it. Even if it had been Dorner, he never opened fire. They were obviously out to kill Dorner without due process. Just because the guy is a cop killer doesn't mean you get to murder him.. don't give him any leeway to mess around, sure, but if he is just driving oddly?
 
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jihe

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Innocent, but also the daughter and fiance of one of the targets in his manifesto. They weren't random targets.

I don't know if random people really have anything to fear from this guy. It sounds like he is targeting LAPD.

On the other hand, random people have alot to fear from LAPD
 

Farang

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I can't get over the fact that he murdered the daughter and fiance, though. The cop killing could be justified if you argue it's him vs. them, given the cops fired on civilians they obviously have no intention of capturing Dorner and allowing him a trial. What would you do if someone was trying to kill you?

If somehow he hadn't been first to resort to violence, then yes I could imagine supporting him. But for whatever else he is done he is an alleged murderer
 

Lepton87

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I can't get over the fact that he murdered the daughter and fiance, though. The cop killing could be justified if you argue it's him vs. them, given the cops fired on civilians they obviously have no intention of capturing Dorner and allowing him a trial. What would you do if someone was trying to kill you?

If somehow he hadn't been first to resort to violence, then yes I could imagine supporting him. But for whatever else he is done he is an alleged murderer

If they knew about this cop's corruption, violence and atrocities he committed and condoned that behavior I have no sympathy for them. The cops are obviously worse then him, they attempted to murder innocent people that had nothing to do with all of this mess. Worse of all, they will walk away from that without taking any responsibility whatsoever. They should rot in prison.
 
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Farang

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If they knew about this cop's corruption, violence and atrocities he committed and condoned that behavior I have no sympathy for them. The cops are obviously worse then him, they attempted to murder innocent people that had nothing to do with all of this mess. Worse of all, they will walk away from that without taking any responsibility whatsoever. They should rot in prison.

If you can make the connection to the daughter and fiance, go for it. I'm assuming they are pawns for Dorner's revenge and that discredits from anything noble he might be trying to do. That's not excusing what the LAPD did, nor should what the LAPD did excuse Dorner killing the (presumably) innocents.
 
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If they knew about this cop's corruption, violence and atrocities he committed and condoned that behavior I have no sympathy for them. The cops are obviously worse then him, they attempted to murder innocent people that had nothing to do with all of this mess. Worse of all, they will walk away from that without taking any responsibility whatsoever. They should rot in prison.

The police didn't "attempt to murder innocent people." They made some really awful errors in judgment, but it's not as though they were intentionally shooting at innocents - they thought they were shooting at Dorner.
 

waggy

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The police didn't "attempt to murder innocent people." They made some really awful errors in judgment, but it's not as though they were intentionally shooting at innocents - they thought they were shooting at Dorner.

so fucking what? Awful errors in judgment are arresting them or pulling over the wrong car.

opening fire without declaring who you are, trying to find out who is in teh vehicle. etc is fucking attempted murder.

In the other one they RAMMED the vehicle 1st then opened fire!

"awful error in judgment" not found. they should be in jail and at the least fired.
 
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That drunk guy that just turned someone into a puddle on the side of the road didn't "mean" to hurt anyone.
 

Pantoot

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The police didn't "attempt to murder innocent people." They made some really awful errors in judgment, but it's not as though they were intentionally shooting at innocents - they thought they were shooting at Dorner.

I will disagree, they were certainly intentionally shooting. Shooting as they did clearly demonstrates a reckless indifference to human life. Perhaps they did think they were shooting at Dorner, but they didn't know if he was the driver, the passenger, or hiding under the tarp in the back. None of that mattered, someone started shooting and they other five "lit it up."
 
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so fucking what? Awful errors in judgment are arresting them or pulling over the wrong car.

opening fire without declaring who you are, trying to find out who is in teh vehicle. etc is fucking attempted murder.

In the other one they RAMMED the vehicle 1st then opened fire!

"awful error in judgment" not found. they should be in jail and at the least fired.

Badges should have been turned in at the scene then case looked at by a grand jury.
 

Emos

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The police didn't "attempt to murder innocent people." They made some really awful errors in judgment, but it's not as though they were intentionally shooting at innocents - they thought they were shooting at Dorner.

Exactly. This is a terrible lapse in judgement and I personally believe those involved in the shootings are not fit to wear a badge (and should be prosecuted honestly) but attempted murder is hyperbole and exaggeration.
I do wonder how much of Dorner's manifesto is true, unfortunately his murders will sweep all of it under the rug.
 

Farang

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Exactly. This is a terrible lapse in judgement and I personally believe those involved in the shootings are not fit to wear a badge (and should be prosecuted honestly) but attempted murder is hyperbole and exaggeration.
I do wonder how much of Dorner's manifesto is true, unfortunately his murders will sweep all of it under the rug.

Not saying I agree but I can see how you get to attempted murder. The cops think it is Dorner and are making no attempt to arrest him, only to kill him, evidenced by the fact that it was actually just two ladies doing a paper route. So while cops usually try to say a suspect made some kind of threatening motion, they have no defense for why they opened fire here. Thus attempted murder.. this proves they are out to kill Dorner
 

Pantoot

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On another note, all of these images and video of the various alphabet agencies with their rifles certainly destroys the argument that an AR15 with 30rd magazine's only purpose is to kill a large amount of people as quickly as possible. They are only looking for one guy, certainly a revolver would be sufficient?
 

Cerb

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The police didn't "attempt to murder innocent people." They made some really awful errors in judgment, but it's not as though they were intentionally shooting at innocents - they thought they were shooting at Dorner.
What evidence do we have of that? So far, there's not one report that they even tried to identify who was in the vehicles. That's no different than any [other?] gang members gunning someone down.

Even if it had been Dorner, they would have had no excuse to fire, unless he were acting threateningly (if it was another heavy 6ft black guy, and he had a weapon in his hand, I could go for mistaken identity). They're acting like gangangers, and getting away with it because they have a badge.

On another note, all of these images and video of the various alphabet agencies with their rifles certainly destroys the argument that an AR15 with 30rd magazine's only purpose is to kill a large amount of people as quickly as possible. They are only looking for one guy, certainly a revolver would be sufficient?
I am now 100% for gun control: the LAPD should not be allowed to have guns! :)
 

Paul98

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So cops go on massive manhunt after an ex-cop is targeting cops and their families. You have the cops who are trying to kill him completely recklessly attempting to murder 3 random innocent people and no one seems to care.
 

Lepton87

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The police didn't "attempt to murder innocent people." They made some really awful errors in judgment, but it's not as though they were intentionally shooting at innocents - they thought they were shooting at Dorner.

If I went on a shooting spree and then said that I thought I was shooting at zombies that tried to eat me alive, I would still rot in prison, so should those "policemen".
 

monovillage

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"LAPD manhunt: Some cheer on fugitive Christopher Dorner with anti-cop, gun control, race agendas"
The ex-LAPD officer and former Navy reservist who posted a 14-page "manifesto" detailing his plans for a revenge-fueled rampage across California is still at large, with the search expanding into other regions.

He is a suspect in the shooting deaths of three people, including a member of Riverside PD, and the daughter of Dorner's former lawyer.

None of this has dissuaded a group of ardent supporters who back Dorner for a variety of reasons. #GoDornerGo, #WeAreAllChrisDorner and other hashtags have been gaining momentum on Twitter. Some supporters appear to be motivated by personal issues; others express anti-hero worship and fugitive fandom to push specific agendas.

Dorner was fired from the LAPD after being accused of making a false statement in reporting that a fellow officer improperly kicked a suspect. According to Dorner's manifesto, he wants to clear his name — one he says that a dangerously corrupt LAPD is responsible for ruining. (The truth of Dorner's allegations are subject to dispute.)



http://www.scpr.org/blogs/news/2013/02/08/12476/lapd-manhunt-some-cheer-on-fugitive-christopher-do/