Mandatory Military Service?

[TommyVercetti]

Since we are on this topic, I have a question about draft. Let's say someone just doesn't wanna go when they are drafted. I have heard of many schemes, like faking medical condition, start going to college, and what not. How come no one has ever tried this. When your name comes, just go to their initial meeting, and act like a TOTAL dumb ass. In the movie ALI, they had a roll call. Why can't you just go there and be a total jack ass, and just get kicked out?

 

[WinkOsmosis]

That's ridiculous. You like discipline and killing so much, you join the military. This is America, land of the free, and I'll be damned if I am to be forced to join the military to suit your whims.

 

[gentobu]

NO. I went to basic training and there were a few people who decided that they didnt want to be in the military anymore, who made things miserable for the rest of us.

 

[burnedout]

Originally posted by: TommyVercetti
Since we are on this topic, I have a question about draft. Let's say someone just doesn't wanna go when they are drafted. I have heard of many schemes, like faking medical condition, start going to college, and what not. How come no one has ever tried this. When your name comes, just go to their initial meeting, and act like a TOTAL dumb ass. In the movie ALI, they had a roll call. Why can't you just go there and be a total jack ass, and just get kicked out?

From my understanding, quite a few people employed a variety of methods during the 60s to avoid the draft. I think there was college deferral, join guard or reserve, intentionally attempt failing the entrance exam, run off to Canada/<insert country of choice> and something with marriage/children. Maybe HappyPuppy or Brutuskend could fill y'all in on more, as this era was about 7 years before my time.

However, because there weren't enough active duty slots filled during the mid-60s, good old SoD McNamara instituted 'Project 100,000', otherwise affectionately known as "McNamara's Morons". Quite frankly, this program essentially inducted the mentally incompetent from the masses.

There were also large discrepencies in the number of rejections of white enlistees vs. black enlistees during this period. A sociological study conducted during the early 1970s concluded that conscripted white males were 2-3 times more likely to be rejected from military service than conscripted black males.

 

[huesmann]

Fcuk, you know rich people will get their kids exempted from the service.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hell no, especially with Neo Cons like Deputy Furher Herr Wolfowitz literally in charge of the Government Foriegn Policy. A Mandatory Draft would just give them more Cannon Fodder to pursuit their "Pax Americana" Agenda.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Hell no, especially with Neo Cons like Deputy Furher Herr Wolfowitz literally in charge of the Government Foriegn Policy. A Mandatory Draft would just give them more Cannon Fodder to pursuit their "Pax Americana" Agenda.

 

[JMaster]

we're not in N. Korea.
Besides, not everyone was made to be in the military.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: Feldenak
Voted no.

A volunteer fighting force is more effective than a drafted one.

Who says the drafted ones have to be combat units? There are plenty of non-combat related positions available for people to take on, all the benefits of discipline and work experience, without the downside of a drafted force on the front lines.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

We used to have it in The Netherlands, but they ditched it 2 years after I was tested.
I didn't have to serve thanks to a medical history of diminished hearing, and a photographical memory when taking the hearing test a second time (so I remembered which sounds I had 'not heard' the first time). If I had passed the tests I would have chosen for an engineering (officer) position, but I didn't really feel like joining the military to serve a government I didn't agree with, to defend a royal family I'd rather get rid of, and to follow the orders of sergeants without any tactical knowledge or feeling and an IQ less than half mine. I dislike orders from people I don't see as at least an equal.

I voted 'no' just because of this. Either get motivated people, or you get people who don't mind looking the other way when the enemy points a gun at the Crown Prince.

The only disadvantage of getting volunteers is that the people who usually join are the militant racists who see their country as the best and mess up during peace missions as they discriminate against those they should protect.

 

[freegeeks]

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
We used to have it in The Netherlands, but they ditched it 2 years after I was tested.
I didn't have to serve thanks to a medical history of diminished hearing, and a photographical memory when taking the hearing test a second time (so I remembered which sounds I had 'not heard' the first time). If I had passed the tests I would have chosen for an engineering (officer) position, but I didn't really feel like joining the military to serve a government I didn't agree with, to defend a royal family I'd rather get rid of, and to follow the orders of sergeants without any tactical knowledge or feeling and an IQ less than half mine. I dislike orders from people I don't see as at least an equal.

I voted 'no' just because of this. Either get motivated people, or you get people who don't mind looking the other way when the enemy points a gun at the Crown Prince.

The only disadvantage of getting volunteers is that the people who usually join are the militant racists who see their country as the best and mess up during peace missions as they discriminate against those they should protect.

the same here. They ditched it in Belgium the year before I had to go in

lucky me .....

there are some rumours that they are going to reinstate some sort of mandatory military service over here. They don't have enough volunteers for the moment. Maybe if the pay would be better, they would have more people joining the army

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

Originally posted by: freegeeks

Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
We used to have it in The Netherlands, but they ditched it 2 years after I was tested.
I didn't have to serve thanks to a medical history of diminished hearing, and a photographical memory when taking the hearing test a second time (so I remembered which sounds I had 'not heard' the first time). If I had passed the tests I would have chosen for an engineering (officer) position, but I didn't really feel like joining the military to serve a government I didn't agree with, to defend a royal family I'd rather get rid of, and to follow the orders of sergeants without any tactical knowledge or feeling and an IQ less than half mine. I dislike orders from people I don't see as at least an equal.

I voted 'no' just because of this. Either get motivated people, or you get people who don't mind looking the other way when the enemy points a gun at the Crown Prince.

The only disadvantage of getting volunteers is that the people who usually join are the militant racists who see their country as the best and mess up during peace missions as they discriminate against those they should protect.

the same here. They ditched it in Belgium the year before I had to go in

lucky me .....

there are some rumours that they are going to reinstate some sort of mandatory military service over here. They don't have enough volunteers for the moment. Maybe if the pay would be better, they would have more people joining the army

Or if the family of people who joined wouldn't start whining if the soldiers actually have to go to a warzone. They bloody chose for it, so don't whine. Especially wifes/gfs, as those chose a partner in the military.