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Mandatory death sentence for career criminals

JEDI

JEDI

Lifer
From this thread about life in prison vs death sentence:
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2333140

say, 3 strikes and you're dead. (2 strikes if both of the convictions are for violent felonies.)
and the execution occurs within 2 weeks of judgement.

by the 3rd felony conviction it's clear you're not going to be reformed and will continue to be a threat to society.

and maybe also make 2 'class A' misdemenors = 1 felony in terms of keeping count.

also, dont give me the "maybe he's innocent" argument against the death penalty.
what, he was set up THREE times?!


Your thoughts about killing off career criminals?
 
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DUI
drug dealers
shoplifting

do plea deals count against them
What about incidents when a minor
 
I'm all for it. If I were in charge of the prison system, everyone on death row would be executed weeks or days after sentencing. I think everyone currently on death row should be executed as soon as possible.

Repeat offenders of violent crimes would get the death penalty as well. We are far too lenient on the criminals.

That said, I certainly wouldn't expect someone convicted of multiple pot possessions or for shop lifting to be executed. I'd keep it for violent crimes (armed robbery, murder, rape, etc.)
 
wtf?! i created this thread at 1:55pm.
MustISO's reply was today at 8:26 am, hours before my post?!

Time Warp, part Deux?!
 
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EagleKeeper said:
armed robbery to get drugs - 1 pt or 1/2pt
DUI - kills a person
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no, not a point system for felonies.
it'll get watered down over the years.

you'll have armed robbery w/a knife = .2 points,
with a gun = .5 points, etc.

Bureaucracy nitemare.
keep it simple for felonies.
 
So let me see if I have the forum attitude right. Police and government are incompetent militant boobs, so lets remove any and all appeals process and execute anyone they manage to get convicted before they can maybe prove their innocence because the police and government must have it right every time?
 
I would worry more about the prosecutors and judges, they are the ones that could really screw you... If you manage to survive being arrested you're doing good.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
So let me see if I have the forum attitude right. Police and government are incompetent militant boobs, so lets remove any and all appeals process and execute anyone they manage to get convicted before they can maybe prove their innocence because the police and government must have it right every time?
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This. I know that the temptation to want "criminals", a.k.a. "CRIMINALS" to be executed is an alluring one, but there are simply too many issues with our justice system to be doing so. That is, if you consider capital punishment to be morally acceptable in the first place. I used to be all for it, but as I've gotten older, I realize that it has no place in modern civilized society.
 
If society creates the laws it needs to pay for confinement. You can't just kill the law breakers, even if they do it repeatedly.

What happens when some asshole changes the laws into a twisted decietful mess?
 
I think the death penalty should be expedited in cases of violent repeat offenders and murder... However I also feel that prosecutors should have criteria of evidence they need to meet in order to pursue a death penalty sentence.
 
I don't know about executions but I would probably support neutering of pedophiles. I can only imagine that it would make their life better and our children safer.
 
What are the repercussions of such a policy? Do you think desperate people or career criminals will be convinced to turn to a life of honesty? Well, I'm sure some will. But many will continue committing crimes - what's the rate for solving house robberies? What's the rate for catching car thieves? Clearly far from 100%. Seems to me that career criminals are going to carry weapons, and faced with certain death if they're caught, are going to do all they can to get away. Witness to their robbery that might identify them? Shoot the witness, etc.
 
I'm only against the death penalty because saving the government X hundred million dollars in housing murderers and rapists is still worth less than the lives of those falsely convicted. Armed defense against the violent is a good enough solution right now.
 
DrPizza said:
What are the repercussions of such a policy? Do you think desperate people or career criminals will be convinced to turn to a life of honesty? Well, I'm sure some will. But many will continue committing crimes - what's the rate for solving house robberies? What's the rate for catching car thieves? Clearly far from 100%. Seems to me that career criminals are going to carry weapons, and faced with certain death if they're caught, are going to do all they can to get away. Witness to their robbery that might identify them? Shoot the witness, etc.
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which will hopefully lead to more ccw and stand your ground laws.

HamburgerBoy said:
I'm only against the death penalty because saving the government X hundred million dollars in housing murderers and rapists is still worth less than the lives of those falsely convicted. Armed defense against the violent is a good enough solution right now.
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this thread is about repeat offenders
 
MomentsofSanity said:
So let me see if I have the forum attitude right. Police and government are incompetent militant boobs, so lets remove any and all appeals process and execute anyone they manage to get convicted before they can maybe prove their innocence because the police and government must have it right every time?
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This.
I want a national change in death penalty, though. Specifically an all out ban, no exceptions. It is a vile and inhuman practice.

Pizza raises a good point (or will in the future when he types in this thread). Given how little capital punishment affects propensity to crime I expect little change in behavior. Those who would alter it will either avoid crime or go balls out to avoid being arrested, fight to the death and no qualms about shooting cops or others to avoid being caught if they already have a couple of strikes.

Whoa time warp on this post.
 
MovingTarget said:
This. I know that the temptation to want "criminals", a.k.a. "CRIMINALS" to be executed is an alluring one, but there are simply too many issues with our justice system to be doing so. That is, if you consider capital punishment to be morally acceptable in the first place. I used to be all for it, but as I've gotten older, I realize that it has no place in modern civilized society.
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I have never understood this line of reasoning.

Why should a "civilized" society be expected to keep animals alive for decades because they repeatedly demonstrate their inability to live a civilized manner?

I can understand a general uneasiness with executing people if their guilt is in anyway questionable. But in this case we are talking about someone who has committed multiple felonies. I mean if a guy commits say 10 independent felonies how many do think he might be wrong convicted of?
 
nehalem256 said:
I have never understood this line of reasoning.

Why should a "civilized" society be expected to keep animals alive for decades because they repeatedly demonstrate their inability to live a civilized manner?

I can understand a general uneasiness with executing people if their guilt is in anyway questionable. But in this case we are talking about someone who has committed multiple felonies. I mean if a guy commits say 10 independent felonies how many do think he might be wrong convicted of?
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I dont understand it either, the lefties will all bleat when they are a victim but then complain about the cost of looking after them.....I have no problem with a 3 strike and your out approach....these people will NEVER be contributers to society, and indeed are just parasites of it.
 
I will never understand how those who are most shrill about how you can't trust the government, how the government screws up everything, how public sector employees are all people too stupid to cut it in the private sector, how the police are thugs, etc. will then tell you it is entirely reasonable that we accept the police, judge, DA, and often a public defender between them did an adequate job to determine with certainty someone deserves to lose their life.

The death penalty should be available in cases of 100% certainty of the guilt of murder, however, in the real world there is no such thing as 100% certainty. If someone fucked up an investigation and someone is fined, they can be repaid. If someone is imprisoned, they can be released. If someone is executed, well, sucks to be them.
 
The first violent gun crime should be the death penalty. Break into a house to steal and death penalty. Rob a store with a gun death penalty. Vandalize a cemetary Death Penalty. Steal a car Death Penalty. No need to coddle criminals in jail. Give them 90 days in jail for a chance to find more evidence or just take them out and shoot them. No need to hire a doctor. Kill them any way you want. Chop off their heads, Hang Them, etc. Dead people dont escape from prison. No such thing as life imprisonment. I dont want to waste my money feeding murderers.
 
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3 felonies can be easier to rack up then you may think.

I have a friend who was confronted by a police officer at his home who told him he was guilty of a felony for making a "terroristic threat" across state lines for a knee jerk post he made online. As he was a minor at the time and the "threat" wasn't really believable the officer let him off with a warning.

I've used bug spray before whose label states it is not to be used indoors and that it is a felony to use it in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.

Also.. what about getting drunk and doing something stupid which ends up getting you convicted of multiple felonies because of a single act?

I personally watch my language online, read and follow labels, and am careful about my drinking, but I wouldn't want my government executing people for not doing so.
 
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