Manafort pleading out at 11:00 AM EST

[rise]

"bada bing bada boom"

What an ass.

 

[sactoking]

According to the CNN article Manafort will plead guilty to two charges in exchange for the others being dropped but he will admit to being guilty of the other charges as part of the arrangement. That should eliminate any pardon possibility because it locks up state charges.

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder if it would be worth Trump pardoning Manafort but before the midterms. Even he's not that stupid(?)

I suspect it’s too late for that. If they’ve made the deal then I suspect that means Manafort has already provided the evidence to Mueller.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Hypothetical for anyone who knows stuff.

Manafort has been convicted. Trump pardons him tomorrow. Is the cooperation agreement enforcible? I should think so since this is not part of a judicial action and contempt may come into play. I have no real clue though.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

That cooperation could also be against Podesta who was a partner in some of this if i remember correctly.

 

[fskimospy]

According to the CNN article Manafort will plead guilty to two charges in exchange for the others being dropped but he will admit to being guilty of the other charges as part of the arrangement. That should eliminate any pardon possibility because it locks up state charges.

Ooh that’s a really good point I didn’t think of.

 

[fskimospy]

That cooperation could also be against Podesta who was a partner in some of this if i remember correctly.

There is no way Manafort would be getting this sort of deal for cooperating against another guy who is at best at the same level as him.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

There is no way Manafort would be getting this sort of deal for cooperating against another guy who is at best at the same level as him.

Valid point. Can't wait for Christmas. This year I might have to market my indictment advent calendar.

 

[fskimospy]

Hypothetical for anyone who knows stuff.

Manafort has been convicted. Trump pardons him tomorrow. Is the cooperation agreement enforcible? I should think so since this is not part of a judicial action and contempt may come into play. I have no real clue though.

Again I don’t think it really matters. Presumably this deal is predicated on Manafort providing Mueller with evidence, so if anything I assume that’s already been provided.

I guess it could come up if they are counting on Manafort to testify against someone but it’s not like if Trump pardons Manafort tomorrow Mueller has to un-learn whatever he learned.

 

[UNCjigga]

Holy sh*t, cooperation agreement? Now this seems as good a weekend as any to fire Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller (while half the country is focused on a hurricane and homes blowing up)...

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Holy sh*t, cooperation agreement? Now this seems as good a weekend as any to fire Sessions, Rosenstein and Mueller (while half the country is focused on a hurricane and homes blowing up)...

Oh yeah... Is this another infrastructure week? Those always end up loaded with irony.

 

[Jaskalas]

Holy sh*t, cooperation agreement?

Does this suggest Manafort is doing more than just pleading guilty to his own charges?

 

[fskimospy]

Does this suggest Manafort is doing more than just pleading guilty to his own charges?

Yes, that means he is providing Mueller with information implicating other people in crimes. Generally, prosecutors only accept cooperation agreements if you can implicate someone up the ladder from you and in Manafort's case there aren't that many people up the ladder from him.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

I wonder if it would be worth Trump pardoning Manafort but before the midterms. Even he's not that stupid(?)

Even if he is pardoned... That simply relieves you of YOU (Manafort) committing the crime in which you are pardoned for. Not sure how that reflects as far as negating an AGREEMENT to cooperate? That isn't a crime, it's you signing a contract (basically) that you will reveal information.

According to the CNN article Manafort will plead guilty to two charges in exchange for the others being dropped but he will admit to being guilty of the other charges as part of the arrangement. That should eliminate any pardon possibility because it locks up state charges.

Mind explaining this further? Not quite following the legalities you're indicating here.

 

[shortylickens]

But really, is anyone surprised?

 

[fleshconsumed]

Who could have predicted that buttery emails could potentially come to haunt Trump and GOP and ultimately be their undoing?

 

[fskimospy]

Mind explaining this further? Not quite following the legalities you're indicating here.

What he's saying is that law enforcement now has testimony under oath from Manafort that he committed the crimes in question, the feds are just declining to prosecute him on them. States have similar statutes against money laundering, fraud, whatever, so if you committed federal bank fraud you almost certainly committed state bank fraud too. So basically if Virginia (or wherever) decides to prosecute Manafort for bank fraud all they really need to bring to the trial is Manafort's sworn statement that he committed bank fraud.

 

[rommelrommel]

Even if he is pardoned... That simply relieves you of YOU (Manafort) committing the crime in which you are pardoned for. Not sure how that reflects as far as negating an AGREEMENT to cooperate? That isn't a crime, it's you signing a contract (basically) that you will reveal information.



Mind explaining this further? Not quite following the legalities you're indicating here.

I believe it cannot negate the agreement, and that if Manafort stopped doing so he’d likely be in contempt until he did.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Am I hearing this right that he plead guilty to the charges they hung on during his last trial?

 

[jackstar7]

Mueller just paid for his investigation including the next year.

 

[Jaskalas]

Yes, that means he is providing Mueller with information implicating other people in crimes. Generally, prosecutors only accept cooperation agreements if you can implicate someone up the ladder from you and in Manafort's case there aren't that many people up the ladder from him.

It's gotta be something like Don Jr. and the Trump tower meeting. That's the one we know of that's a smart move to pursue.

 

[Jhhnn]

Does this suggest Manafort is doing more than just pleading guilty to his own charges?

It does. I always thought Manafort was holding out for executive clemency but it seems he may have reconsidered. Cue panic attacks in Trumplandia.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Even if he is pardoned... That simply relieves you of YOU (Manafort) committing the crime in which you are pardoned for. Not sure how that reflects as far as negating an AGREEMENT to cooperate? That isn't a crime, it's you signing a contract (basically) that you will reveal information.

I am fairly certain that they will come down with a sudden case of terrible memory syndrome, and the judge, almost certainly one appointed by Trump, will accept that he has forgotten what he was going to tell Mueller. I mean if we are to go by history, forgetting important facts about things you did happens all the time.

 

[Jhhnn]

Am I hearing this right that he plead guilty to the charges they hung on during his last trial?

No. It's separate charges not part of the first trial.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

No. It's separate charges not part of the first trial.

I know this was separate but I saw reported he also may have agreed to plead out the other ones as well. Which didn't make sense as that would not have entered into this one at all even as part of a plea deal.