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Man wielding pipe outside Carl's Jr shot by officers (video)

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SandEagle said:
cops can shoot you if you scratch your butt the wrong way.
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Is that what you see in the video?

in every other civilized country, this man would have been apprehended without a single shot getting fired.
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Are you sure about that? A quick Google search proves you wrong (again).

Why can't you just admit that you hate cops?

MotionMan
 
MM, you are being foolish again. do you badger the witness into falsely testifying under pressure? this will not work on me.

what bothers me is that the dog is trained for these types of situations. why have all the gear if you're not going to use it? the problem with Americans these days is that they place little to no value on life of others. yes, the man was disturbed and needed help,not 10 servings of lead. motion to have Motion Man grow up and think your honor.
 
SandEagle said:
MM, you are being foolish again. do you badger the witness into falsely testifying under pressure? this will not work on me.
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I get people to either tell the truth or expose them as liars. You fall into the second category.

motion to have Motion Man grow up and think your honor.
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Motion denied as moot. MotionMan is more grown up than you and, in fact, is correct.

SandEagle has been found to be a cop-hater. Judgment entered.

MotionMan
 
SandEagle said:
what bothers me is that the dog is trained for these types of situations. why have all the gear if you're not going to use it? the problem with Americans these days is that they place little to no value on life of others. yes, the man was disturbed and needed help,not 10 servings of lead. motion to have Motion Man grow up and think your honor.
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Once he had his weapon cocked back behind his shoulders, it would have taken less than 1 second for the criminal in this video to swing his weapon, which could have easily resulted in 1 dead police officer. This is not a situation in which you release the dog and hope for a positive outcome. It is a situation where you protect innocent lives by shooting and killing the criminal.
 
Todd33 said:
Cops went overboard, they were trigger happy and probably scared. The guy was no immediate threat, he was barely facing the cops and just raised his shoulder up and was in no position to hit anyone. They could have rushed him with the dog or shot his legs. Was it legal, probably. Was it justified? Probably not, they took a life just so they didn't have to risk getting their clothes wet and getting a few bumps and scratches.
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seepy83 said:
Once he had his weapon cocked back behind his shoulders, it would have taken less than 1 second for the criminal in this video to swing his weapon, which could have easily resulted in 1 dead police officer. This is not a situation in which you release the dog and hope for a positive outcome. It is a situation where you protect innocent lives by shooting and killing the criminal.
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a warning shot would have worked too
 
SandEagle said:
Honestly, how would you know that it wouldn't have?
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I know that I would not want to risk the life of the person being attacked to find out. He has already fended off a tazer shot.

If that man was about to take a swing at your head with his metal object, would you want a cop to fire a warning shot or to neutralize the attacker?

MotionMan
 
LMAO at the shoot his legs and no immediate threat trolls.

Google the 21 Feet rule regarding a knife, then watch some videos, then pull your head out of your ass.

The officers were already too close to the suspect. Perhaps that was their biggest mistake.
 
SandEagle said:
there were several officers at the scene. not just two.
a police dog.
before the video surfaced, the police said he took a swing at them.
the video shows otherwise.
the world laughs at us. and i see why. this IS overreaction, all of you are too blind to see it because you have been spoon fed this mentality that cops can shoot you if you scratch your butt the wrong way.
in every other civilized country, this man would have been apprehended without a single shot getting fired.
i am tired of running in circles here. give it a rest guys.
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Well, why the hell were they so close to begin with? If they were afraid of him turning on them, they should have kept their distance. When the tazer failed, they should have backed off.

This is honestly mass stupidity on their part, but the initial shots are justified, if preventable.
 
This shooting is the result of a fundamental flaw in U.S. law enforcement training. LEOs are not taught to deescalate situations, only that they must escalate their use of force until the suspect complies to their orders or is incapacitated.

It's funny how everyone blames the suspect for being stupid enough to raise his tool at the officers, but nobody feels the trained professional officers who put themselves within striking distance of the suspect bare any responsibility for escalating the situation to the point where they were in danger and forced to shoot the suspect.

They had multiple officers on scene and a K9 unit to boot. If the cops had done something other than rushing to within striking distance of the suspect then maybe they wouldn't have had to shoot him. There has to be some better way to take a suspect into custody than rush him and shoot if he resists.

I understand we need law in this country, and that many people refuse lawful orders from cops, but should that be an automatic death sentence? Is this really the kind of world we want to live in? Isn't anyone afraid that they could loose control and mouth off to a cop and end up lying on the ground while they bleed out because they didn't comply with orders?
 
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Paladin3 said:
This shooting is the result of a fundamental flaw in U.S. law enforcement training. LEOs are not taught to deescalate situations, only that they must escalate their use of force until the suspect complies to their orders or is incapacitated. No suspect must ever escape and all LEO orders must be obeyed!

It's funny how everyone blames the suspect for being stupid enough to raise his tool at the officers, but nobody feels the trained professional officers who put themselves within striking distance of the suspect bare any responsibility for escalating the situation to the point where they were in danger and forced to shoot the suspect.

They had multiple officers on scene and a K9 unit to boot. If the cops had done something other than rushing to within striking distance of the suspect then maybe they wouldn't have had to shoot him.

I understand we need law in this country, and that many people refuse lawful orders from cops, but should that be an automatic death sentence? Is this really the kind of world we want to live in? Isn't anyone afraid that they could loose control and mouth off to a cop and end up lying on the ground while they bleed out because they didn't comply with orders?
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Reminds me of the scene in Demolition Man where the cop is told by his computer to tell Wesley Snipes to comply. When he does not comply, the computer tells the cop to tell him to comply again, this time using a stronger voice.

MotionMan
 
Paladin3 said:
This shooting is the result of a fundamental flaw in U.S. law enforcement training. LEOs are not taught to deescalate situations, only that they must escalate their use of force until the suspect complies to their orders or is incapacitated.

It's funny how everyone blames the suspect for being stupid enough to raise his tool at the officers, but nobody feels the trained professional officers who put themselves within striking distance of the suspect bare any responsibility for escalating the situation to the point where they were in danger and forced to shoot the suspect.

They had multiple officers on scene and a K9 unit to boot. If the cops had done something other than rushing to within striking distance of the suspect then maybe they wouldn't have had to shoot him. There has to be some better way to take a suspect into custody than rush him and shoot if he resists.

I understand we need law in this country, and that many people refuse lawful orders from cops, but should that be an automatic death sentence? Is this really the kind of world we want to live in? Isn't anyone afraid that they could loose control and mouth off to a cop and end up lying on the ground while they bleed out because they didn't comply with orders?
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1. They tazed him first
2. I'd rather the suspect die than the dog
3. Not complying with orders =/= rushing at cops with a metal pipe
 
Paladin3 said:
I understand we need law in this country, and that many people refuse lawful orders from cops, but should that be an automatic death sentence? Is this really the kind of world we want to live in?
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Resisting arrest will not get you shot.
Resisting arrest while armed and attempting to attack a police officer (who already has his weapon pointed at you) will.
 
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