Man wielding pipe outside Carl's Jr shot by officers (video)

[DrunkenSano]

If only more people had common sense. I definitely would rather see an armed criminal with intent to injure or kill someone else die first than to see a police officer or a police dog get injured or killed. This shooting was not an unprovoked shooting, it was a 100% legitimate shooting.

 

[QueBert]

Resisting arrest can still get you shot.
Resisting arrest while armed and attempting to attack a police officer (who already has his weapon pointed at you) will.

FTFY, plenty of people who did absolutely nothing still ended up getting shot and killed by the police. Amadou Diallo ring a bell?

 

[FDF12389]

This shooting is the result of a fundamental flaw in U.S. law enforcement training. LEOs are not taught to deescalate situations, only that they must escalate their use of force until the suspect complies to their orders or is incapacitated.

It's funny how everyone blames the suspect for being stupid enough to raise his tool at the officers, but nobody feels the trained professional officers who put themselves within striking distance of the suspect bare any responsibility for escalating the situation to the point where they were in danger and forced to shoot the suspect.

They had multiple officers on scene and a K9 unit to boot. If the cops had done something other than rushing to within striking distance of the suspect then maybe they wouldn't have had to shoot him. There has to be some better way to take a suspect into custody than rush him and shoot if he resists.

I understand we need law in this country, and that many people refuse lawful orders from cops, but should that be an automatic death sentence? Is this really the kind of world we want to live in? Isn't anyone afraid that they could loose control and mouth off to a cop and end up lying on the ground while they bleed out because they didn't comply with orders?

The problem here is YOU not realizing how easy it would have been for the assailant to severely injure, maim, or kill the officers at that distance with that weapon. If you could accurately identify a threat you would see this man was not shot because he "Resisted".

Think about it, in less time then you could draw your gun, someone standing 21 foot from you could kill you with a box knife.

The officers acted professionally and followed protocol, they are not to blame for this death.

 

[FDF12389]

FTFY, plenty of people who did absolutely nothing still ended up getting shot and killed by the humans.

FTFY

Shit happens. there are good cops, bad cops, good people, bad people.

 

[Paladin3]

Resisting arrest will not get you shot.
Resisting arrest while armed and attempting to attack a police officer (who already has his weapon pointed at you) will.

I'm not trying to defend what the suspect did. He attacked the officers and they had to put him down to protect themselves. I would have done the same in their situation, but I wish they had considered other options before letting the incident escalate to that point.

They did not need to get that close. What would they have lost if they had backed off a few yards and continued to issue commands for the suspect to surrender? Maybe the guy would have eventually complied and the shooting would not have been necessary.

I'm not weeping over the death of this nut, but in the end we must remember that a person was killed because he was breaking out windows at a Carl's Jr. and then refused to allow himself to be taken into custody by LEO.

I'm guessing the guy was on drugs. He was breaking out windows and refusing orders from LEO while holding a potential weapon. Was it really smart of the LEOs to get within swinging distance of his weapon so that the only option they would have left was to shoot him?

 

[hanoverphist]

Is this the tool?

its a conduit bender. already been stated in here, this is a pic of one. i cant believe i got to page 3 and only two people here could identify that thing.

 

[shortylickens]

Free advertising for Carls Junior!!!

:awe:

 

[AHamick]

but in the end we must remember that a person was killed because he was breaking out windows at a Carl's Jr. and then refused to allow himself to be taken into custody by LEO.

No, no and more no.

A person was killed because he raised a deadly weapon towards an officer, placing the cop's life in IMMEDIATE danger, thats why someone died here.

You suggest they hold back and continue to order verbal commands. For how long? stay far back enough so that he can walk around freely the parking lot an even into the street where passerbys may have been hurt? If the police held far back and kept talking to him, as you suggest, and this guy hauls off and busts out some car windows or god firbid hurts a civilian passing by in a car or on foot, then there would be an uproar that the police didnt do enough to apprehend this guy.

When he exited the resturaunt he was merely resisting arrest by not following verbal commands as you stated. The officers didnt want to engage with an active resister hand to hand so they deployed a taser, it failed. Tasers have a 21 foot range, so they HAVE to be close. The dirtbag then turned in an attempt to hit the officer with a DEADLY WEAPON.

All I can say is THANK GOD that K9 cop was that close. Imagine if he was another 10, 20, 30 feet away, how many shots would have missed and given this offender the opportunity to kill an officer, or the stray rounds hurt an innocent bystander.

The police did not escalate this situation, the dead guy did. The cops tried less lethal methods (taser) to take a criminal into custody, it failed and the bad guy immediately ESCALATED the situation to deadly force by raising a deadly weapon at a cop.

 

[OverVolt]

That is how the law is written and has been for some time. They can use deadly force if you come after them with a weapon irregardless of the weapon. A weapon is a weapon is a weapon if you treat it like one, as this guy did.

 

[erikistired]

it's like when i watch campus pd. don't threaten the police, it's not a battle you are going to win.