Man why is Firefox's tables support so damned pathetic?

[RbSX]

I've been working on this page for a little while, tweaks here and there, and previewing it in internet exploder, it finally occured to me that maybe I should check out what it looks like in Firefox.

Peachy, why the hell does Firefox's table support SUCK so much?

Here are screenies of the site

Internet Explorer

Firefox

 

[So]

If you actually know how to design FF is better. Standards compliance and CSS FTW.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Firefox actually adheres to the w3c standards.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: So
If you actually know how to design FF is better. Standards compliance and CSS FTW.

You said it. IE kinda just does it's own thing.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Firefox actually adheres to the w3c standards.

It's not like I'm coding using some obscure dialiect, I'm just doing this outta dream weaver.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Firefox actually adheres to the w3c standards.

It's not like I'm coding using some obscure dialiect, I'm just doing this outta dream weaver.

Ah, so it's Dream Weaver's table support you should be damning.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Firefox actually adheres to the w3c standards.

It's not like I'm coding using some obscure dialiect, I'm just doing this outta dream weaver.

Ah, so it's Dream Weaver's table support you should be damning.

Exactly.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: RyanSengara

Originally posted by: joshsquall
Firefox actually adheres to the w3c standards.

It's not like I'm coding using some obscure dialiect, I'm just doing this outta dream weaver.

Ah, so it's Dream Weaver's table support you should be damning.

Exactly.

Maybe so, any advice as to how to solve this problem?

 

[Platypus]

It's not FF... DW is horrible.. I'd do it by hand if you want it to work for sure. DW messes a lot of stuff up, CSS is another good example.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Platypus
It's not FF... DW is horrible.. I'd do it by hand if you want it to work for sure. DW messes a lot of stuff up, CSS is another good example.

Yup. Solution is hand coding. Tables are useless for web design except as a really quick and dirty mockup anyway.

 

[Gunslinger08]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Platypus
It's not FF... DW is horrible.. I'd do it by hand if you want it to work for sure. DW messes a lot of stuff up, CSS is another good example.

Yup. Solution is hand coding. Tables are useless for web design except as a really quick and dirty mockup anyway.

Tables are great for forms. Try doing a multi-fieldset web form using CSS positioning.

 

[SSP]

DW used to be so good. I tried it recently to make a site for a class project and it loves to just rewrite my codes to what ever it want to. I hate that, and thats exactly why Frontpage was trash.

edit- actually, it didn't rewrite my codes, but when I add something by hand, then later edit that using WYSIWYG editor, then it would rewrite it.

 

[SagaLore]

I hate dream weaver. Professionals actually use that?

 

[So]

Originally posted by: joshsquall

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: Platypus
It's not FF... DW is horrible.. I'd do it by hand if you want it to work for sure. DW messes a lot of stuff up, CSS is another good example.

Yup. Solution is hand coding. Tables are useless for web design except as a really quick and dirty mockup anyway.

Tables are great for forms. Try doing a multi-fieldset web form using CSS positioning.

Granted. But I only do web design as a hobby.

 

[RbSX]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
I hate dream weaver. Professionals actually use that?

When I used to do this professionally DW actually used to be competent.

 

[dawks]

Yup, it looks like you're using table features specific to IE.

Ideally a page like this should be done in CSS. Tables are being deprecated and are no longer recommended for most use. You could easily get the same effect with CSS.

One of the challenges with CSS is having multiple columns like you do however. There are some webpages with guides specifically for this problem though.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: SagaLore
I hate dream weaver. Professionals actually use that?

I use it exclusively. Of course, I only use it in code view. WYSIWYG is only for nancy-boys.

With a WAMP install, it's a great IDE and very customizable.

 

[Smilin]

haha you got fanboi banged!!!

 

[CTho9305]

The difference between the table handling of FF and IE is that if you're writing HTML, you can plan ahead, write your HTML, and have it look the way you expect with FF. For anything complex, you never know what IE will do without lots of experimenting.

 

[Red Squirrel]

I HATE IE for that, it wont listen to most CSS commands like padding and border-spacing (I might of got those wrong, but you know what I mean, have not done it in a while ) and lot of other things like that.

Aparantly IE7 complies to W3C but I have yet to check for myself. I'm not a W3C nazi but IE is just horrible at it.

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: dawks
Tables are being deprecated

That's ridiculous, where did you read this?

Originally posted by: dawks
One of the challenges with CSS is having multiple columns like you do however.

It's no challenge at all, float:left, done.

 

[Markbnj]

Yup. Solution is hand coding. Tables are useless for web design except as a really quick and dirty mockup anyway.

This seems over the top to me. Tables are still in there for good reason, and they remain the best way to deal with all sorts of data that is naturally presented in tabular form. You probably have a specific definition of "design" in mind, but arranging data is certainly part of the design process for lots of sites.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: Markbnj

Yup. Solution is hand coding. Tables are useless for web design except as a really quick and dirty mockup anyway.

This seems over the top to me. Tables are still in there for good reason, and they remain the best way to deal with all sorts of data that is naturally presented in tabular form. You probably have a specific definition of "design" in mind, but arranging data is certainly part of the design process for lots of sites.

True, but I consider that to be implied. If you're actually presenting a table to the user then yeah, of course use a table...

 

[Alone]

Tables are meant for exactly what the name implies; tabular data. Anything else is...well...a bad habit many haven't been able to break just yet. Firefox is likely rendering it as it should be. Start with that and work your way into a functional layout in IE. It's possible, even if you need to use some CSS hacks, to get IE to render a page properly.

 

[CTho9305]

Originally posted by: Alone
Tables are meant for exactly what the name implies; tabular data. Anything else is...well...a bad habit many haven't been able to break just yet.

Unfortunately CSS is still woefully inadequate and tables make some layout things much simpler to do. I think not using tables just because "layout isn't tabular data" is silly, when getting the same effect with CSS would be much harder to write and read later.