Man why is Firefox's tables support so damned pathetic?

[screw3d]

Originally posted by: CTho9305

Originally posted by: Alone
Tables are meant for exactly what the name implies; tabular data. Anything else is...well...a bad habit many haven't been able to break just yet.

Unfortunately CSS is still woefully inadequate and tables make some layout things much simpler to do. I think not using tables just because "layout isn't tabular data" is silly, when getting the same effect with CSS would be much harder to write and read later.

CSS is only hard for many people because of browser incompatibilities (I blame this squarely on IE) and still in relative infancy. However, once you get used to it, it's easy to see that it is definitely The Way To Go.

Even browser issues are getting easier to solve as spectacular pieces of crap like IE5x or Netscape4 or IE for Macs become so insignificant that you can pretty much just ignore these.

Table are not deprecated. Just don't use it to layout stuff because they are not meant for that. CSS just wasn't available back then so designers had to use them.

 

[Markbnj]

CSS is only hard for many people because of browser incompatibilities (I blame this squarely on IE) and still in relative infancy. However, once you get used to it, it's easy to see that it is definitely The Way To Go.

Yeah, but for better or worse IE is still the lion's share of the market. I think you have to use CSS to get anything professional today, but it sucks that you have to jump through so many hoops now with the different versions of IE and FF. Unfortunately community standards often end up in this kind of mess.

 

[NanoStuff]

Originally posted by: Markbnj

CSS is only hard for many people because of browser incompatibilities (I blame this squarely on IE) and still in relative infancy. However, once you get used to it, it's easy to see that it is definitely The Way To Go.

Yeah, but for better or worse IE is still the lion's share of the market. I think you have to use CSS to get anything professional today, but it sucks that you have to jump through so many hoops now with the different versions of IE and FF. Unfortunately community standards often end up in this kind of mess.

I don't find it that difficult at all. IE7 is a reasonable improvement over IE6, and given IE7 is a critical update, I've phased out support for IE6 entirely. And even older versions of firefox are very consistent with 2.0, so that's not much of a problem. If IE7 doesn't display something correctly, I leave it unless it's critically broken, that doesn't happen often. In the end it ends up being a solid construction with no hacks and workarounds that's perfect with compliant browsers and at least functional with IE7.