Man who installed Hillary email server given immunity by government

[Jhhnn]

kay, let's try this one more time. Say for some bizarre, unknowable reason Mrs. Clinton decided to use the secure system that, well, everyone else in State uses.

Let us begin from a false premise.

 

[boomerang]

I may be wrong, but I still cannot see the Hildabeast ever prosecuted for this. How could the FBI ethically prosecute her but not also prosecute the Pubbies, who did much the same thing just to a lesser degree?

Would those prosecutions have to be concurrent or would or could they commence once the transgressions were brought to light? These are the ways of investigation. One thing leads to another which leads to another and so on. Perhaps the resources are allocated so tightly that it only makes sense to spend taxpayer money to see if the DOJ is even willing to prosecute on this case first. If she's not willing, why investigate the hell out of anyone else?

You're a smart dude, no two ways about that but IMO you diminish yourself when you start falling into the "fairness" abyss. Do you support Hillary when she says she'll release the transcripts of the speeches she made before the big money folks when everyone else releases theirs? Sanders has said numerous times that he has already released his because they don't exist. Yet, she's still waiting, for what? At this point she's only running against Sanders.

If Loretta Lynch goes after Hillary in even a minor capacity I will be shocked at this point. Ms. Lynch is well aware of who butters her bread and lord knows it looks like she's consumed more than her fair share. But prosecuting Hillary would be a form of icing on the cake. The issue here is that if a person of Hillary's character is allowed to become president, we will have set the bar as low as it could possibly go. Our nation has already elected a pathological liar to the highest office in the land not once, but twice. Hillary is also a pathological liar and so much more. Her history in the public eye is a seemingly never ending series of scandals the overwhelming majority of which fattened up the coffers of the Clinton's. She's not a typical politician she's a politician on steroids and not in a good way. She's the textbook example of whom not to elect.

But we've got a huge percentage of the population that thinks she's the greatest and I just can't even have one lick of respect for any of them. You, like to argue with them and hat's off to you for that. To each his own. I can only hope that you are aware that you will never get anywhere with these imbeciles who think they're smart because they got a trophy every time they farted.

 

[werepossum]

Would those prosecutions have to be concurrent or would or could they commence once the transgressions were brought to light? These are the ways of investigation. One thing leads to another which leads to another and so on. Perhaps the resources are allocated so tightly that it only makes sense to spend taxpayer money to see if the DOJ is even willing to prosecute on this case first. If she's not willing, why investigate the hell out of anyone else?

You're a smart dude, no two ways about that but IMO you diminish yourself when you start falling into the "fairness" abyss. Do you support Hillary when she says she'll release the transcripts of the speeches she made before the big money folks when everyone else releases theirs? Sanders has said numerous times that he has already released his because they don't exist. Yet, she's still waiting, for what? At this point she's only running against Sanders.

If Loretta Lynch goes after Hillary in even a minor capacity I will be shocked at this point. Ms. Lynch is well aware of who butters her bread and lord knows it looks like she's consumed more than her fair share. But prosecuting Hillary would be a form of icing on the cake. The issue here is that if a person of Hillary's character is allowed to become president, we will have set the bar as low as it could possibly go. Our nation has already elected a pathological liar to the highest office in the land not once, but twice. Hillary is also a pathological liar and so much more. Her history in the public eye is a seemingly never ending series of scandals the overwhelming majority of which fattened up the coffers of the Clinton's. She's not a typical politician she's a politician on steroids and not in a good way. She's the textbook example of whom not to elect.

But we've got a huge percentage of the population that thinks she's the greatest and I just can't even have one lick of respect for any of them. You, like to argue with them and hat's off to you for that. To each his own. I can only hope that you are aware that you will never get anywhere with these imbeciles who think they're smart because they got a trophy every time they farted.

How can I not fall "into the fairness abyss"? What else is there? I'm in no way a fan of the Hildabeast, but let's be honest: She's the worst of the bunch, but she's in the same bunch. Maybe Sanders is different, but he's hardly typical and a socialist; most of them are far closer to Hillary. The Pubbies under Bush got caught discussing official business on their political network; this is just the next level. Trump's no better, really; he has lots of shady business dealings. Even the mavericks like Rand Paul aren't really any better; he started a sham doctor accreditation company to allow him to be accredited while avoiding having to do the things one associates with being accredited. They're all crooks, and rather than electing my crook, I'd prefer to just vote for someone else, knowing they have no chance. Don't get me wrong, if I think someone is loathsome enough or dangerous enough, I'll vote a major party to vote against them. But while I judge Mrs. Clinton to be the worst of the pile, it's the same pile. I wouldn't vote for her unless a Santorum or Huckaby were nominated, but I see no reason why I should vote for Trump or Cruz or Rubio to vote against her. She's just not that different.

EDIT: As far as Hillary's speech transcripts, I see no reason why she should release them unless everyone does. What's fair for one is fair for all. I'd certainly support a law requiring all Presidential candidates to provide video of all public speeches over the past five years as a condition of eligibility, but not retroactively, and not only for the ones I dislike.

 

[ivwshane]

Lol! Everyone else is stupid except for boomerang! He's the smartest guy in the room! Don't ask him questions though or counter his bullshit with with actual facts and data because he doesn't have time and he doesn't care about the topic enough to debate it, he just posts for himself. He just likes to hang out on message boards telling people he agrees with how smart he is and right they are for thinking like him. I guess he's so smart and competent that he let's others debate for him. /s

No boomerang, you don't have the patience to debate imbeciles because YOU are the imbecile! You simply don't have the mental capacity to accept facts that are counter to your beliefs and you do everything you can to insulate yourself from anything that might destroy your bubble. You are that nut that talks to people who smile and nod at you and you think people agree with you when in reality they are just too nice to tell you to shut the fuck up and get away from them. We all know your type, that uncle nobody likes that everyone dreads seeing when they get together for family gatherings.

But go ahead continue telling us how much smarter you are while rarely contributing anything worthwhile to any topic. I may not agree with werepossum on most things but at least he has the balls to debate a topic and not come up with some bullshit excuse as to why he can't be bothered to discuss a topic, unlike you and a few other posters on this board.

Would those prosecutions have to be concurrent or would or could they commence once the transgressions were brought to light? These are the ways of investigation. One thing leads to another which leads to another and so on. Perhaps the resources are allocated so tightly that it only makes sense to spend taxpayer money to see if the DOJ is even willing to prosecute on this case first. If she's not willing, why investigate the hell out of anyone else?

You're a smart dude, no two ways about that but IMO you diminish yourself when you start falling into the "fairness" abyss. Do you support Hillary when she says she'll release the transcripts of the speeches she made before the big money folks when everyone else releases theirs? Sanders has said numerous times that he has already released his because they don't exist. Yet, she's still waiting, for what? At this point she's only running against Sanders.

If Loretta Lynch goes after Hillary in even a minor capacity I will be shocked at this point. Ms. Lynch is well aware of who butters her bread and lord knows it looks like she's consumed more than her fair share. But prosecuting Hillary would be a form of icing on the cake. The issue here is that if a person of Hillary's character is allowed to become president, we will have set the bar as low as it could possibly go. Our nation has already elected a pathological liar to the highest office in the land not once, but twice. Hillary is also a pathological liar and so much more. Her history in the public eye is a seemingly never ending series of scandals the overwhelming majority of which fattened up the coffers of the Clinton's. She's not a typical politician she's a politician on steroids and not in a good way. She's the textbook example of whom not to elect.

But we've got a huge percentage of the population that thinks she's the greatest and I just can't even have one lick of respect for any of them. You, like to argue with them and hat's off to you for that. To each his own. I can only hope that you are aware that you will never get anywhere with these imbeciles who think they're smart because they got a trophy every time they farted.

 

[Bowfinger]

Okay, let's try this one more time. Say for some bizarre, unknowable reason Mrs. Clinton decided to use the secure system that, well, everyone else in State uses. [ ... remainder of fairy tale trimmed ... ]

You mean except for the fact that not everyone in State has access to the secure (i.e., classified) systems, nor do most foreign sources have access to it, nor can one even get to it unless you are at a special workstation with both physical and individual access controls? You mean except for those things? You're substituting imagination for reality, a problem that pervades the rest of your post. It might be a cool story if it was somewhat close to accurate. It is not.

 

[Darwin333]

I'd prefer to just vote for someone else, knowing they have no chance.

In national elections we seem to always have the choice of the lesser of two evils. Personally I say fuck that, if I'm going to vote for evil I want the best damn evil we can get. So for the last few presidential elections and barring an insane entry by a sane person I'll be writing in Beelzebub again.

 

[Zorkorist]

As Americans, we should really be looking to the candidate that will limit Government.

It's inexcusable that all of the candidates want to expand Government.

-John

 

[SP33Demon]

Lol! Everyone else is stupid except for boomerang! He's the smartest guy in the room! Don't ask him questions though or counter his bullshit with with actual facts and data because he doesn't have time and he doesn't care about the topic enough to debate it, he just posts for himself. He just likes to hang out on message boards telling people he agrees with how smart he is and right they are for thinking like him. I guess he's so smart and competent that he let's others debate for him. /s

No boomerang, you don't have the patience to debate imbeciles because YOU are the imbecile! You simply don't have the mental capacity to accept facts that are counter to your beliefs and you do everything you can to insulate yourself from anything that might destroy your bubble. You are that nut that talks to people who smile and nod at you and you think people agree with you when in reality they are just too nice to tell you to shut the fuck up and get away from them. We all know your type, that uncle nobody likes that everyone dreads seeing when they get together for family gatherings.

But go ahead continue telling us how much smarter you are while rarely contributing anything worthwhile to any topic. I may not agree with werepossum on most things but at least he has the balls to debate a topic and not come up with some bullshit excuse as to why he can't be bothered to discuss a topic, unlike you and a few other posters on this board.

^this guy just typed 3 paragraphs to say someone's dumb. Ironing is delicious

 

[MongGrel]

^this guy just typed 3 paragraphs to say someone's dumb. Ironing is delicious

Ironing ?

 

[Zorkorist]

Coke and Chivas, and iron it.

-John

 

[ivwshane]

Ironing ?

Yeah, he doesn't know what irony means.

 

[werepossum]

You mean except for the fact that not everyone in State has access to the secure (i.e., classified) systems, nor do most foreign sources have access to it, nor can one even get to it unless you are at a special workstation with both physical and individual access controls? You mean except for those things? You're substituting imagination for reality, a problem that pervades the rest of your post. It might be a cool story if it was somewhat close to accurate. It is not.

If only there were some reason that "not everyone in State has access to the secure (i.e., classified) systems, nor do most foreign sources have access to it, nor can one even get to it unless you are at a special workstation with both physical and individual access controls." Any reason at all . . . Nope, it's as much a mystery as the meaning of the word "is".

News flash: The point of classification is not to make it easier and more convenient to send classified documents to whomever you wish. As I pointed out, Mrs. Clinton could easily have used the system as intended. The fact that she could not as easily send classified information to non-qualified people over non-secure networks is a feature, not a bug.

In national elections we seem to always have the choice of the lesser of two evils. Personally I say fuck that, if I'm going to vote for evil I want the best damn evil we can get. So for the last few presidential elections and barring an insane entry by a sane person I'll be writing in Beelzebub again.

Yep. I just choose lasagna, but I'll admit the temptation to write in "Satan" can be strong, just to send a point. Maybe if I thought pole workers would do anything more than make another mark next to "Stan" . . .

 

[werepossum]

Ironing ?

Ironing is an Internet meme for irony, although personally I have only encountered it here. I once sent a PM to someone letting him know that spellcheck had struck and was apprised of this fact.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ironing

TOP DEFINITION
ironing
Deliberate substitution for irony. Stems from a quote by Bart Simpson in the episode "Grift of the Magi". Rarely appears outside the phrase he uttered: "the ironing is delicious".
Bart: Lisa's in trouble. Ha! The ironing is delicious.
Lisa: The word is "irony".
Bart: Huh?

 

[baydude]

Will Bernie Sanders automatically win the Democratic election if this somehow escalates enough for Hillary?

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Will Bernie Sanders automatically win the Democratic election if this somehow escalates enough for Hillary?

I heard someone say on a Sunday morning news show that Biden has the backing and is prepared to step into the race if needed. That and $5 will buy you a cup of coffee at Starbucks.

 

[Fern]

Will Bernie Sanders automatically win the Democratic election if this somehow escalates enough for Hillary?

IMO that's the million $ question.

If she's indicted I don't see her dropping out. I think she'll stay in and spin this as a vast right wing conspiracy (as she's already doing). She'll try to use it to rally Dems to her side. The Clinton machine is strong, I doubt other Dems can force her out. If the Super Delegates stay with her Bern can't beat her no matter how voting goes.

(If she's in real real deep trouble, like time in Club Fed is likely, she may drop out in return for pleading it way down.)

Fern

 

[Bowfinger]

If only there were some reason that "not everyone in State has access to the secure (i.e., classified) systems, nor do most foreign sources have access to it, nor can one even get to it unless you are at a special workstation with both physical and individual access controls." Any reason at all . . . Nope, it's as much a mystery as the meaning of the word "is".

News flash: The point of classification is not to make it easier and more convenient to send classified documents to whomever you wish. As I pointed out, Mrs. Clinton could easily have used the system as intended. The fact that she could not as easily send classified information to non-qualified people over non-secure networks is a feature, not a bug. ...

Very good! You've now acknowledged all the pieces needed to refute your previous position. All that remains is for you to connect the dots.

Bueller?

 

[werepossum]

Very good! You've now acknowledged all the pieces needed to refute your previous position. All that remains is for you to connect the dots.

Bueller?

Ah, so when you claimed that Hillary only used her own server for convenience, you meant that made it convenient to break the law.

Now your arguments make sense!

 

[Bowfinger]

Ah, so when you claimed that Hillary only used her own server for convenience, you meant that made it convenient to break the law.

Now your arguments make sense!

Yet another Werepossum post where we need to decide whether you are willfully dishonest or truly lacking in basic reading comprehension, critical thinking, and reasoning ability. Help us resolve this. Slip-on shoes, Velcro, or actual laces? Does someone help you dress? Do you sign with an 'X'?

 

[werepossum]

Yet another Werepossum post where we need to decide whether you are willfully dishonest or truly lacking in basic reading comprehension, critical thinking, and reasoning ability. Help us resolve this. Slip-on shoes, Velcro, or actual laces? Does someone help you dress? Do you sign with an 'X'?

Laces, no, and no.

 

[Jhhnn]

News flash: The point of classification is not to make it easier and more convenient to send classified documents to whomever you wish. As I pointed out, Mrs. Clinton could easily have used the system as intended. The fact that she could not as easily send classified information to non-qualified people over non-secure networks is a feature, not a bug.

While true, that's immaterial. Whatever "classified" information that passed thru Hillary's internet server would have otherwise passed thru insecure State Dept servers had she chosen to use them. Any information transmitted thru ordinary email is fundamentally insecure, which is why we have a separate system for stuff that has actually been classified. That does not mean the information was classified when she received it or that she lacked the authority to deal with it as she saw fit at the time. That does not mean that she or her staff leaked classified information onto the internet, either.

It just means that every security pinhead from 17 agencies got into a frenzy out-classifying each other wrt FOIA documentation.

 

[piasabird]

How about this scenario?
Hillary Clinton is granted a full pardon by the president.

What about Gen. David Petraeus? He was prosecuted for espionage!

Before he was labeled a "hero" or a "traitor," Ed Snowden, the intelligence contractor who leaked the details of a secret domestic data mining program, was called a "whistle-blower

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nsa-leaker-edward-snowden-whistle-blower/story?id=19374578

Hillary Clinton thinks she is above the law. She will not care what the constitution or the current laws say.

 

[ivwshane]

How about this scenario?
Hillary Clinton is granted a full pardon by the president.

What about Gen. David Petraeus? He was prosecuted for espionage!

Before he was labeled a "hero" or a "traitor," Ed Snowden, the intelligence contractor who leaked the details of a secret domestic data mining program, was called a "whistle-blower

http://abcnews.go.com/US/nsa-leaker-edward-snowden-whistle-blower/story?id=19374578

Hillary Clinton thinks she is above the law. She will not care what the constitution or the current laws say.

Needs more conspiracy, hate, and vitriol.

 

[piasabird]

It does not matter if the information on Hillary's Server was classified it was all Need to Know information. Anyone she shared this information with over e-mail, did not need to know it.

I previously had an FBI background check and held a secret/top secret clearance in the United States Army. Some people hold their oaths of office seriously.

 

[ivwshane]

It does not matter if the information on Hillary's Server was classified it was all Need to Know information. Anyone she shared this information with over e-mail, did not need to know it.

Maybe try adding a link to a YouTube video.