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Chuck_v

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I have a friend from Utah; when New Mexico stopped recognizing his concealed carry licence from Utah he was forced into open carry.

New Mexico now recognizes concealed and open carry issued by other states they have reciprocity with. New Mexico citizens have to have applied for and receive either a concealed carry or an open carry permit from the state of New Mexico.
 
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RampantAndroid

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If it is concealed then ok. If its open so everyone can see its just like holding your dick in public because you got a 12 incher. What does that prove?

Or it shows that the person feels that open carry gives them faster access to their firearm (which open carry does do)...or they don't have a CPL. Or they can't do a very good concealed carry...like me. I'm too damned skinny to conceal a cut down 1911 - I carry a commander/officer 1911 which is shortened in the grip and the slide, yet with a sweater on you can clearly see there's something hanging off my right hip. If you're trained to look for the signs of a gun, I'll stick out like a sore thumb...and carrying concealed is far less comfortable than just letting it be an open carry.

Open carry by itself isn't a sign of anything without further examination.
 

RampantAndroid

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New Mexico now recognizes concealed and open carry issued by other states they have reciprocity with. New Mexico citizens have to have applied for and receive either a concealed carry or an open carry permit from the state of New Mexico.

Useful website right here:
http://www.handgunlaw.us/states/newmexico.pdf

Since I got my CPL last May, I need to go and get a Utah permit now...OR now recognizes Utah though, so I'm set for all states surrounding me if I get the Utah permit.
 
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Tom

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Or it shows that the person feels that open carry gives them faster access to their firearm (which open carry does do)...or they don't have a CPL. Or they can't do a very good concealed carry...like me. I'm too damned skinny to conceal a cut down 1911 - I carry a commander/officer 1911 which is shortened in the grip and the slide, yet with a sweater on you can clearly see there's something hanging off my right hip. If you're trained to look for the signs of a gun, I'll stick out like a sore thumb...and carrying concealed is far less comfortable than just letting it be an open carry.

Open carry by itself isn't a sign of anything without further examination.

I agree with you pretty much. I know when I see a person with a holstered sidearm I assume they have it for a reason and its not a great cause for concern.

You know, honestly, I'm not sure what the point of concealed carry is ? Except for spies and detectives, its all kinda creepy that people want to walk around with something they can kill with but its a secret.

ooh, you don't even know what I got here in my pocket buddy so..are you talking to me ?
Sounds like some kind of mental issue at the outset. :)
 

RampantAndroid

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I agree with you pretty much. I know when I see a person with a holstered sidearm I assume they have it for a reason and its not a great cause for concern.

You know, honestly, I'm not sure what the point of concealed carry is ? Except for spies and detectives, its all kinda creepy that people want to walk around with something they can kill with but its a secret.

ooh, you don't even know what I got here in my pocket buddy so..are you talking to me ?
Sounds like some kind of mental issue at the outset. :)

On the surface I agree with you - in a world where guns are accepted by the general public, open carry starts to work a little better. But currently, if you open carry, cops will often stop you and demand ID and whatnot. Or someone will call the police because there's someone with a gun and they're scared. For these reasons, concealed carry generates less drama...it lets me, the person concealing, live a normal life day to day, beyond the weight hanging off my belt. It also causes other people less concern. Granted, I also conceal not only the fact I carry, but also the fact I even own guns. Less than half of my friends know I do - simply because I live in a liberal area where I find people are quick to judge if you show you're pro gun, conservative or some other thing they disagree with. I made the grave mistake of letting a coworker find out I bought a gun (friend told a friend told a coworker type thing) and their response was "how long until you come to work and shoot us?"

The other reason I can justify concealing is that my gun is for defense - I view part of defense as the element of surprise, or at the very least not being made a target. If a criminal sees I'm carrying, that might deter them. Or it might make me their first target. Concealing means that I'm not made a target, and should I ever need to pull my gun out, I'll be doing it on my terms and hopefully not endangering other lives, or being at higher risk simply because I am armed.

Edit: Additionally, some states don't allow open carry. If you're arguing everyone should open carry this point is moot, but in some states (or even just some cities if the state allows local municipalities to set their own rules) conceal carry is going to be the only way to do it. In these cases, the permit requires fingerprinting and a complete background check: ensure you're not a criminal and not wanted and also add your fingerprints to a database so that they can use it for evidence in the future (not totally cool with that, but it was the price I had to pay) - I'm find with the idea of people who are allowed to carry be required to pass some common sense requirements and checks. Hell, I think WA should require a proficiency class to get a CPL - be able to hit a human sized target at 21 feet, 5 out of 5 rounds in 10 seconds or something - put the person under stress and make them perform. If they can't pass, they probably shouldn't be carrying in public because they're a danger to those around them.

I don't think that people who carry are like DeNiro feeling empowered by the gun - some number are going to be, but from the people I've met, I don't know a single one that sits at home practicing their draw while asking the wall "are you talking to ME?" :)
 
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shortylickens

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At 22 he could have already served four years in the miliatry easily and if he had served he would have from time to time delt with weapons.

Despite popular opinion you dont walk around all day with a gun when you're in the military. Its only on watch and/or duty (if security).

Veteran: He should fucking know better.
 

HomerJS

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Or it shows that the person feels that open carry gives them faster access to their firearm (which open carry does do)...or they don't have a CPL. Or they can't do a very good concealed carry...like me. I'm too damned skinny to conceal a cut down 1911 - I carry a commander/officer 1911 which is shortened in the grip and the slide, yet with a sweater on you can clearly see there's something hanging off my right hip. If you're trained to look for the signs of a gun, I'll stick out like a sore thumb...and carrying concealed is far less comfortable than just letting it be an open carry.

Open carry by itself isn't a sign of anything without further examination.

I'm not a gun owner but common sense tells me its faster to reach a holster inside a jacket vs swing a large gun from your back and getting it into position.

If someone feels that threatened in a grocery store, maybe a little lady beating you to a BOGO, carry something small. More like to run into a problem in the parking lot rather then the produce isle.
 

RampantAndroid

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I'm not a gun owner but common sense tells me its faster to reach a holster inside a jacket vs swing a large gun from your back and getting it into position.

If someone feels that threatened in a grocery store, maybe a little lady beating you to a BOGO, carry something small. More like to run into a problem in the parking lot rather then the produce isle.

Swing it from your back? Oh, you mean a rifle on your back - fine. First off, if you open carry a rifle in WA it is legal to carry it on your front, just cannot be loaded. Thus the speed is just in the shove mag in, hit bolt release. As for swinging a loaded gun off your back, I can do it in roughly a second with my garand (and open space...the last thing I want is a garand flying across my living room.)

As for fishing a gun out from your jacket, depends where it is. If it's in a pocket, that's harder. If it's in a holster concealed, you have to pull your shirt/sweater/jacket/whatever up with one hand and grab the gun with the other. If you're rushed, that can take a few seconds of untangling things.

As for the location of something happening...I don't know how many times I've seen a news article about someone holding up a store and the shop owner or a patron of the shop pulling a gun out and chasing the perps out. I don't think where you are matters - crap happens everywhere. As a rule I don't like open carry, but I can think of exceptions to that rule.