Man verbally threatens another, gets choked to death during physical altercation

[CPA]

What I was getting at was what the person right under this quote said.

I just looked at my ins. card for my motorcycle. No where on there is my address, my location of work or any personal info.

So if the choker guy only gave threat guy his insurance info and plate #, the threat was essentially hollow.

Some of you people have giant killing boners, it's unreal. Yeah the guy who said that was obviously an idiot and shouldn't say things liek that because you don't know who the person on the other end of those words are. But then again, if every bro' out there who threatened another bro got killed, all of jersey shore and like half of Cali's population would be gone.

In Texas, your address is on your Insurance Card.

 

[spidey07]

Read...

HPD Det. Jesus Sosa said it appeared to have ended peacefully when the two stopped and exchanged insurance information, but the man who was at fault said something that cost him his life.

 

[Jaskalas]

That's a hell of a direct threat.....

I've mixed feelings on this one.

 

[brycejones]

That's a hell of a direct threat.....

I've mixed feelings on this one.

It is, but it went much further than just a verbal threat. I don't have a problem with the outcome based on the total circumstances.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

That's a hell of a direct threat.....

I've mixed feelings on this one.

I felt the same at first based on just the threat and how it was presented, but after reading more detail on the son it seems the end result was inadvertent while he was trying to protect/save his father.

 

[gorb]

Also, a commendable tag

lol!

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I just looked at my ins. card for my motorcycle. No where on there is my address, my location of work or any personal info.

I live in Texas and Liability Insurance Card has the following:
my name/my wife's name
our address

Agent name/phone number
Policy number/Insured drivers

Car info (Year, make, model) and VIN number for each insured vehicle

 

[shira]

I felt the same at first based on just the threat and how it was presented, but after reading more detail on the son it seems the end result was inadvertent while he was trying to protect/save his father.

Correct.

But the moron Spidey would have us believe that if someone makes a verbal threat of serious bodily injury or death against you or a loved one, but makes no physical attempt to carry out the threat, you can with impunity kill them on the spot.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Verbal threats to life or great bodily harm are lawful fair game to do anything possible to stop the assailant from carrying out that threat including deadly force. Sounds like a good choke to me. The only reason it's even being sent to a grand jury is because all homocides in texas are by law.

http://news92fm.com/429099/1-dead-in-apparent-road-rage-homicide-in-se-houston/

Maybe you should post a source that has much better description of what happened.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/h...e-incident-near-texas-medical-center/25492174

Police are investigating a deadly road rage incident near the Texas Medical Center.

The accident between two pickup trucks occurred around 6 a.m. Tuesday off Highway 288 near Southmore.

Investigators say the drivers of the pickups eventually pulled into the Hermann Park Golf Course parking lot off North MacGregor Way near Alameda Road to exchange information.

Witnesses told police the driver of the Nissan approached the 67-year-old driver of the Ford truck with aggression.

According to Detective Jesus Sosa with the Houston Police Department, the driver of the Nissan said, "You'll be sorry you gave me your information. I'm going to find you and kill you and your family."

Witnesses told police the driver of the Nissan pushed the older man.

"The driver of the Nissan started to assault the older driver," said Sosa. "The older driver was so badly beaten he was rushed to the hospital in serious condition,and could physically not talk to officers."

Police said while the older driver was being attacked, his son got out of the truck and tried to defend his father. Officers said there was at least a 100-pound difference between the young man and the driver of the Nissan,but in that moment, detectives say, the younger man jumped on the driver's back and put him in a choke hold.

"While the older driver's son was on the other driver's back, he was yelling 'Call 911. Call 911.' The driver of the Nissan collapsed before emergency crews arrived," said Sosa.

Both drivers were taken to Ben Taub General Hospital. The driver of the Nissan died at the hospital.

Police said the Ford driver, who was badly beaten, is still in the hospital. Officers are unable to talk to him because of his condition.

Police said the son of the driver stayed at the scene and waited for officers to arrive.

"Right now, it looks like a son defending his father," said Sosa.

No charges have been filed at this time, but all of the evidence will be handed over to a Harris County grand jury.

 

[thraashman]

Maybe you should post a source that has much better description of what happened.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/h...e-incident-near-texas-medical-center/25492174

In addition to it being clearly a defense case rather than a someone mouthing off case, the evidence is being handed to a grand jury rather than summarily dropped. I fully feel based on the full description of the incident that the grand jury will and should decide not to indict. Weird that Texas is more thorough and fair than Florida.

 

[spidey07]

Correct.

But the moron Spidey would have us believe that if someone makes a verbal threat of serious bodily injury or death against you or a loved one, but makes no physical attempt to carry out the threat, you can with impunity kill them on the spot.

That is absolutely correct. That very aspect is taught in CCDW classes. A verbal threat, with the capability to carry out that imminent threat, is OK to shoot.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

In addition to it being clearly a defense case rather than a someone mouthing off case, the evidence is being handed to a grand jury rather than summarily dropped. I fully feel based on the full description of the incident that the grand jury will and should decide not to indict. Weird that Texas is more thorough and fair than Florida.

I agree with the way Texas does this, any case of homicide must go before a grand jury.

A grand jury is required to charge a person with 1st degree murder in Florida. The big difference is a prosecutor can charge a person with 2nd degree murder charges or less without a grand jury. Based on the actual evidence, I do believe had a grand jury been convened in the Zimmerman case, he would have never been charged.

 

[Ns1]

Maybe you should post a source that has much better description of what happened.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/h...e-incident-near-texas-medical-center/25492174

emphasis on

Police said the Ford driver, who was badly beaten, is still in the hospital. Officers are unable to talk to him because of his condition.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

That is absolutely correct. That very aspect is taught in CCDW classes. A verbal threat, with the capability to carry out that imminent threat, is OK to shoot.

I don't know of any state that allows a person to shoot another person over a verbal threat alone, the person must have the means and be attempting to perpetrate said threat to justify use of force including deadly force.

I know this is the case in Virginia and Texas as I was taught so when I was going through the required training to get a Concealed Weapons Permit (Va)/Concealed Handgun License (Tx).

 

[shira]

That is absolutely correct. That very aspect is taught in CCDW classes. A verbal threat, with the capability to carry out that imminent threat, is OK to shoot.

In other words, it's absolutely true that what I said was correct. Read again what I wrote, and read what you just wrote: You've just ADDED the phrase "imminent threat."

In fact, the CORRECT phrase is "accompanying threat of immediate physical harm."

So, fool, you cannot with impunity kill someone simply for making a verbal threat. There MUST be the added element of an "accompanying threat of immediate physical harm."

But keep on pretending that little details like specific qualifying phrases don't make any difference in the interpretation.

 

[spidey07]

In other words, it's absolutely true that what I said was correct. Read again what I wrote, and read what you just wrote: You've just ADDED the phrase "imminent threat."

In fact, the CORRECT phrase is "accompanying threat of immediate physical harm."

So, fool, you cannot with impunity kill someone simply for making a verbal threat. There MUST be the added element of an "accompanying threat of immediate physical harm."

But keep on pretending that little details like specific qualifying phrases don't make any difference in the interpretation.

Absolutely you can. You said they have to be carrying out that threat, that is not true in Kentucky. A verbal threat and the means to carry out that threat in any way = good shoot.

Here's what you said:

Correct.

But the moron Spidey would have us believe that if someone makes a verbal threat of serious bodily injury or death against you or a loved one, but makes no physical attempt to carry out the threat, you can with impunity kill them on the spot.

The attempt to carry out the threat is not necessary. Two aspects are covered in our state's classes in detail:
1) Guy on the street says "I'm going to kill you", he's larger than you and appears aggressive = OK to shoot. Doesn't have to attempt to carry out that threat
2) Group of people on the street say "We're going to break your neck". Threat of GBH and disparity of force applies = OK to shoot

 

[Texashiker]

Why is this even news?

 

[JManInPhoenix]

Maybe you should post a source that has much better description of what happened.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/h...e-incident-near-texas-medical-center/25492174

Based on that link, the choking was justified. The son was trying to keep his father from being killed.

 

[JManInPhoenix]

Why is this even news?

Another day in Houston? :hmm:

 

[Texashiker]

Another day in Houston? :hmm:

Pretty much, yea.

 

[dank69]

Absolutely you can. You said they have to be carrying out that threat, that is not true in Kentucky. A verbal threat and the means to carry out that threat in any way = good shoot.

Here's what you said:


The attempt to carry out the threat is not necessary. Two aspects are covered in our state's classes in detail:
1) Guy on the street says "I'm going to kill you", he's larger than you and appears aggressive = OK to shoot. Doesn't have to attempt to carry out that threat
2) Group of people on the street say "We're going to break your neck". Threat of GBH and disparity of force applies = OK to shoot

And every night Spidey cries himself to sleep because he still hasn't been presented with a chance to kill someone.

 

[shira]

Absolutely you can. You said they have to be carrying out that threat, that is not true in Kentucky. A verbal threat and the means to carry out that threat in any way = good shoot.

Moron. The reported incident took place in Houston. But to you, moron that you are, Kentucky's laws are applicable to the entire U.S.

Moron. Moron. Moron.

Here's what you said:


The attempt to carry out the threat is not necessary. Two aspects are covered in our state's classes in detail:
1) Guy on the street says "I'm going to kill you", he's larger than you and appears aggressive = OK to shoot. Doesn't have to attempt to carry out that threat
2) Group of people on the street say "We're going to break your neck". Threat of GBH and disparity of force applies = OK to shoot

Neither of which applied in the reported incident. But that distinction is lost on you. "I'm going to kill you and your family" was, according to you, the sole and proximal justification for a self-defense killing. The actual incident was not remotely what you portrayed it as.

Your a drunkard and a liar and a fool. Go back to sleep.

 

[Paul98]

Spidey, seek help

 

[spidey07]

Moron. The reported incident took place in Houston. But to you, moron that you are, Kentucky's laws are applicable to the entire U.S.

Moron. Moron. Moron.



Neither of which applied in the reported incident. But that distinction is lost on you. "I'm going to kill you and your family" was, according to you, the sole and proximal justification for a self-defense killing. The actual incident was not remotely what you portrayed it as.

Your a drunkard and a liar and a fool. Go back to sleep.

Read the article, moron.

http://news92fm.com/429099/1-dead-in-apparent-road-rage-homicide-in-se-houston/

HPD Det. Jesus Sosa said it appeared to have ended peacefully when the two stopped and exchanged insurance information, but the man who was at fault said something that cost him his life.

According to witnesses, the driver of the Nissan told the driver of the F-150, “You are going to be sorry you gave me your information. I am going to kill you and your family.”

The driver of the F-150 tried to get his information back, but a fight ensued. He put the Nissan driver in a headlock, choking him.

The Nissan driver was transported to an area hospital where he was pronounced dead.

Sosa said a grand jury will review this case. For now, it’s being considered self-defense.

 

[zinfamous]

"good choke"

lol, that's a new one.

OK, I did laugh at the tag. kudos.