Man verbally threatens another, gets choked to death during physical altercation

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spidey07

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Verbal threats to life or great bodily harm are lawful fair game to do anything possible to stop the assailant from carrying out that threat including deadly force. Sounds like a good choke to me. The only reason it's even being sent to a grand jury is because all homocides in texas are by law.


HPD Det. Jesus Sosa said it appeared to have ended peacefully when the two stopped and exchanged insurance information, but the man who was at fault said something that cost him his life.

According to witnesses, the driver off the Nissan told the driver of the F-150, “You are going to be sorry you gave me your information. I am going to kill you and your family.”

The other man tried to get his information back. Police said there was a fight, and the man who made the threat was strangled. He was transported to an area hospital where he was pronounced dead.

Sosa said a grand jury will review this case. For now, it’s being considered self-defense.
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SpatiallyAware

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No doubt the race brigadiers are trying to figure out skin color before deciding who to support.


“You are going to be sorry you gave me your information. I am going to kill you and your family”

= Good shoot.
 
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dawheat

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I think details matter. While this may have been initiated from the threat, the reason the person was choked was they got into a physical altercation.

If in the course of the altercation under reasonable circumstances, the person was choked and killed, then I agree, it's self-defence.

However, if it turns out the person was incapacitated or no longer any risk (say knocked out, or restrained by say a zip tie or handcuffs) and then the person began to choke him and killed him, that's no longer self defence and the person should be charged for murder.

It's the difference of being legitimately threatened/attacked, pulling your gun, and firing vs. being threatened, leaving safely, going home, getting your gun, finding the person again and then shooting them.
 
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brycejones

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SpatiallyAware said:
No doubt the race brigadiers are trying to figure out skin color before deciding who to support.


“You are going to be sorry you gave me your information. I am going to kill you and your family”

= Good shoot.
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Cool 3 posts and someone tries to bring up race......
 
MomentsofSanity

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This seems appropriate for helping those make a decision. n I'm having a hard time seeing fault on this one based on that information. Doesn't seem the son's intent was to kill but restrain.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/h...e-incident-near-texas-medical-center/25492174

Witnesses told police the driver of the Nissan approached the 67-year-old driver of the Ford truck with aggression.

According to Detective Jesus Sosa with the Houston Police Department, the driver of the Nissan said, "You'll be sorry you gave me your information. I'm going to find you and kill you and your family."

Witnesses told police the driver of the Nissan pushed the older man.

"The driver of the Nissan started to assault the older driver," said Sosa. "The older driver was so badly beaten he was rushed to the hospital in serious condition,and could physically not talk to officers."

Police said while the older driver was being attacked, his son got out of the truck and tried to defend his father. Officers said there was at least a 100-pound difference between the young man and the driver of the Nissan,but in that moment, detectives say, the younger man jumped on the driver's back and put him in a choke hold.

"While the older driver's son was on the other driver's back, he was yelling 'Call 911. Call 911.' The driver of the Nissan collapsed before emergency crews arrived," said Sosa.
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brycejones

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MomentsofSanity said:
This seems appropriate for helping those make a decision. n I'm having a hard time seeing fault on this one based on that information. Doesn't seem the son's intent was to kill but restrain.

http://www.click2houston.com/news/h...e-incident-near-texas-medical-center/25492174
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Yeah, sounds like a lot more than words. I would lay the proximate cause as the assault on the driver of the Ford and nothing to do with the words that were exchanged.

So the lesson here kids is still don't start assaulting someone.

Spidey don't take this case as making it fair game to gun down anyone who says a cross word to you. ;)
 
z1ggy

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Guess the guy didn't have any other choice but to off the dude. I mean...Everybody makes good on threats, right? Good thing he was in TX.
 
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spidey07

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brycejones said:
Yeah, sounds like a lot more than words. I would lay the proximate cause as the assault on the driver of the Ford and nothing to do with the words that were exchanged.

So the lesson here kids is still don't start assaulting someone.

Spidey don't take this case as making it fair game to gun down anyone who says a cross word to you. ;)
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Verbal threats to life or great bodily harm mean deadly force is justified. Did you not read the quote from police?

HPD Det. Jesus Sosa said it appeared to have ended peacefully when the two stopped and exchanged insurance information, but the man who was at fault said something that cost him his life.
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SpatiallyAware

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z1ggy said:
Guess the guy didn't have any other choice but to off the dude. I mean...Everybody makes good on threats, right? Good thing he was in TX.
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Not just texas.


Don't want to be dead? Don't threaten a man or his family.


I swear, someone can jump into a lion's den and get attacked we'd still have people trying to defend the moron.
 
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TheSiege

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Why would they exchange personal information? Insurance and license plate number is all you need.
 
thraashman

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So ... you're telling me that you would support something like say bashing a person's head into the ground if you felt they had legitimately made a threat against you or your loved ones? It takes a long time to strangle someone to death, long enough that they'd be no longer a threat well past the point in which you killed them.
 
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z1ggy

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SpatiallyAware said:
Not just texas.


Don't want to be dead? Don't threaten a man or his family.


I swear, someone can jump into a lion's den and get attacked we'd still have people trying to defend the moron.
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What I was getting at was what the person right under this quote said.

I just looked at my ins. card for my motorcycle. No where on there is my address, my location of work or any personal info.

So if the choker guy only gave threat guy his insurance info and plate #, the threat was essentially hollow.

Some of you people have giant killing boners, it's unreal. Yeah the guy who said that was obviously an idiot and shouldn't say things liek that because you don't know who the person on the other end of those words are. But then again, if every bro' out there who threatened another bro got killed, all of jersey shore and like half of Cali's population would be gone.
 
shira

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spidey07 said:
Verbal threats to life or great bodily harm mean deadly force is justified. Did you not read the quote from police?
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You're truly a fool:

"The driver of the Nissan started to assault the older driver," said Sosa. "The older driver was so badly beaten he was rushed to the hospital in serious condition,and could physically not talk to officers."

Police said while the older driver was being attacked, his son got out of the truck and tried to defend his father. Officers said there was at least a 100-pound difference between the young man and the driver of the Nissan,but in that moment, detectives say, the younger man jumped on the driver's back and put him in a choke hold.

"While the older driver's son was on the other driver's back, he was yelling 'Call 911. Call 911.' The driver of the Nissan collapsed before emergency crews arrived," said Sosa.
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Nothing like pretending that an actual physical self-defense resulting in the death of the assailant is the same thing as killing someone solely for making a verbal threat. But you're an idiot, so why would anyone expect anything better from you?
 
z1ggy

z1ggy

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shira said:
You're truly a fool:



Nothing like pretending that an actual physical self-defense resulting in the death of the assailant is the same thing as killing someone solely for making a verbal threat. But you're an idiot, so why would anyone expect anything better from you?
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This clears things up. Death...Somewhat more justified now.

OP sucks at communication.
 
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brycejones

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z1ggy said:
This clears things up. Death...Somewhat more justified now.

OP sucks at communication.
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OP has a hard on for finding a way to shoot someone......

The outcome was completely justified in this case, but not for the reasons initially stated in the OP.
 
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