Man to spend life in prison for killing teens in burglary

[WelshBloke]

/Reads nonsensical post.

/Looks at name Welsh, see's location UK...

/Understands why post is nonsensical

/Shakes head still at how anyone even from UK can actually post something like this

Hmmmmm, that would be why your US court agrees with you and set him free then... Oh.. wait... No, they think that you're full of crap as well.

 

[alkemyst]

/Reads nonsensical post.

/Looks at name Welsh, see's location UK...

/Understands why post is nonsensical

/Shakes head still at how anyone even from UK can actually post something like this

He is absoFUCKINGlutely correct.

Because you own a gun doesn't make your dick so big that you can go plan murder which is what this guy did.

In America, (I mention this because I am not sure if you are an American); based on our current legal system (which I hope you vote on). We are not judge, jury and executioner.

Someone breaks into you home, you are there; they pull a gun or just put you in the loophole of "being fearful your life or a loved one's life is in danger" in some places you can just blow them away.

Knowing someone is retarded and keeps breaking into your house really means you are the retarded one. (the sad part is so many on AT defend the idiots in life).

Smith had them, the first shots were totally legal and not to dramatize the situation; the next shots not so legal.

This kind of action is what is getting our guns grabbed away from us. People should be focused on these two asshats have families that are totally blaming the shooter for their little turds deaths.

 

[HumblePie]

He is absoFUCKINGlutely correct.

Because you own a gun doesn't make your dick so big that you can go plan murder which is what this guy did.

In America, (I mention this because I am not sure if you are an American); based on our current legal system (which I hope you vote on). We are not judge, jury and executioner.

Someone breaks into you home, you are there; they pull a gun or just put you in the loophole of "being fearful your life or a loved one's life is in danger" in some places you can just blow them away.

Knowing someone is retarded and keeps breaking into your house really means you are the retarded one. (the sad part is so many on AT defend the idiots in life).

Smith had them, the first shots were totally legal and not to dramatize the situation; the next shots not so legal.

This kind of action is what is getting our guns grabbed away from us. People should be focused on these two asshats have families that are totally blaming the shooter for their little turds deaths.

And you are just as clueless as ever. The bolded even shows it further.

The person breaking into your home does not need to have a weapon on them and ready to shoot you before you are legally able to shoot them in the US. Putting that burden on the home owner is dangerous and stupid. Castle Doctrine laws are defined that if anyone breaks into your property they risk their ass being shot and killed without any warning by the owner of the property. The owner in the US does not need to call police before defending their house, does not have a duty to retreat, does not need to examine the situation to determine if their live or lives of those that live there may be in danger. Such requirements upon a defender of the property at the time is costly in terms of seconds and may make for a disastrous outcome for home owner.

How a person decides, even if fucking stupid and crazy, to defend their homes in the US can never be considered premeditation for murder. Defense with lethal force used is never murder as you and this UK "bloke" thinks.

What the guy in the article did WAS murder, but not for the defense. That is what I'm trying to point out and show the fine line of law for those to stupid to figure it out. The reason the guy in the OP was convicted rightfully for murder is he went from defense to offense by dragging the ex-invaders and now would be victims off to finish shooting them to death. If he had simply shot them, let them bleed out to death, and called the cops afterwards there would be zero chance of convicting this guy in most places in the US. It was that extra action of "finishing" the kill that made this into murder. Nothing else. Every other detail of the scenario is irrelevant when it came to the prosecution of the murder.

 

[alkemyst]

You realize castle doctrine isn't America wide, right?

You don't do a good job saying what you want to convey.

Also if you have people breaking in your house all the time, that is a problem that LEO or your Military needs to handle.

Personally, I am all for the Wild West again. It's not the laws I live under though.

 

[jad1097]

Didn't read the entire thread but here is the recording

http://www.startribune.com/audio/257238931.html

The jackazz even waited until the next day to have a neighbor call the police. WTF?

 

[HumblePie]

You realize castle doctrine isn't America wide, right?

You don't do a good job saying what you want to convey.

Also if you have people breaking in your house all the time, that is a problem that LEO or your Military needs to handle.

Personally, I am all for the Wild West again. It's not the laws I live under though.

You do realize I said most places in all my posts? And that for the current place the guy was living does have Castle Doctrine laws. Castle Doctrine laws are far better than not. When seconds matter, LEO is minutes away. Military is probably even further.

I am saying exactly what I want to convey. Too many people are wrapped up the side actions of this case of the crazy nutter. Know what? He is crazy. He is a nutter. But being a crazy nutter isn't illegal. All his actions were legal except when he decided to go in for that "clean kill" crap. Which made him a fucking moronic crazy nutter. I'm not losing any sleep over him being in prison or even if he got the death penalty for it. The point I was making was to show how stupid the arguments people were making about his actions leading up to the point where he stop defending his house and decided to murder instead.

Also, the ideas of any laws but Castle Doctrine laws are pure irrational idiocy. A person defending their home and loved ones shouldn't have to try to make an on the spot determination if the intruder is only there to steal some cookies from the cookie jar or out to rape every one in the house, cut off their ears, and where their skins like a party dress later. Trying to make that determination or being forced to retreat first before being allowed to defend yourself only causes the innocent person to get killed. You do realize there have been cases before where someone in a forced to retreat place jumped from 2nd story windows because they had no other way to escape. They fall, break their legs, and try to crawl away. Only managing to make it far enough to grab a weapon to finally defend themselves as the criminal catches up to try to kill them. They defend themselves, manage to fend off the criminal and in doing so kill the criminal with no intention of killing the criminal. They are later put on stand and tried in a court and lose because the prosecutor believes they should have been able to crawl faster to get away instead of defending themselves. You are a lunatic if you think laws besides Castle Doctrine laws work.