http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/29/minnesota-homeowner-kills-teens/8480047/
Looks like he baited them just so he could hill them.
Looks like he baited them just so he could hill them.
Man to spend life in prison for killing teens in burglary
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I live about 20 minutes from there. I disagree with the verdict in this case.
Kids were addicted to drugs and kept robbing this guy and stealing his pills (from what I understand from the locals, which I assume that evidence was suppressed in court)... So yes, he was expecting them because they were addicts needing a fix, and past history said they'd be back. He was waiting for them and killed them.
Should he have called the Police? Probably. But it's my opinion that your house is your sanctuary, and they were repeatedly violating it. They terrorized the old man to bring out that anger where he wanted the revenge. Who do you fault if someone repeatedly kicks a dog, and eventually the dog bites back? The dog or the person kicking it?
Kids were addicted to drugs and kept robbing this guy and stealing his pills (from what I understand from the locals, which I assume that evidence was suppressed in court)... So yes, he was expecting them because they were addicts needing a fix, and past history said they'd be back. He was waiting for them and killed them.
Should he have called the Police? Probably. But it's my opinion that your house is your sanctuary, and they were repeatedly violating it. They terrorized the old man to bring out that anger where he wanted the revenge. Who do you fault if someone repeatedly kicks a dog, and eventually the dog bites back? The dog or the person kicking it?
MomentsofSanity
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He rehearsed everything he would do and say after the shooting in his own recordings. That's not fear, that's premeditation.
From what it states, he planned on killing them, when he should have planned to stop the robberies from happening. Plus he moved his vehicle to make it look like no one was home. I don't know if he should be guilty of murder, but conspiracy to commit murder or something along those lines.
Sounds like he outright murdered that second kid at least.
http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/minnesota-man-convicted-of-premeditated-murder
Right...
He didn't go to their house with plans to kill them. He was preparing to defend himself. He didn't force the kids to enter his house.
I plan to shoot anybody who enters my house. I have Glock 9mm about 5 feet from my bed in my window frame.
If someone broke in and I shot them, would it be premeditated murder?
I'm not defending his actions. What he did was criminal. However, I understand why he did it, and it was the direct result of others who were breaking into his house. But I wouldn't call it 1st degree murder.
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Like a woman who is tired of being sexually assaulted so she dresses provocatively in order to attract the would be rapists, she then proceeds to shoot them dead when they attempt to assault her again, should she be found guilty of murder, because you know, she baited them?
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No the threat was already neutralized. He dragged them after they were wounded and "finished them off" as he rehearsed. That is murder in the first degree when it is clearly established he planned and rehearsed the entire event.
The original thread on this incident.
http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2286153
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I personally disagree with the ruling. If more people knew ahead of time they were going to be victims of home invasions where theft, assault, rape and murder are potential outcomes, we'd have a lot more good citizens still alive today.
I'm not sure that in a home invasion a home owner can ever say the threat was neutralized, at least until the police are there or the perps are dead. There's always the potential of a hidden weapon or an additional perp coming into play.
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If you know that someone is going to commit a crime, you call the police, not become a vigilante. Regardless of where its taking place and to whom.
Don Vito Corleone
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Negative. If he had simply shot them in self defense I doubt he would ever have been charged. While his initial shots at the male may have been justified, the rest of what occurred was deliberate, premeditated murder. These kids were engaged in some seriously bad, risky behavior but that is not a justification for murder.
As it happens I appeared before this judge week before last - I thought he was a bright and thoughtful guy. Glad to see the jury got this one right.
I don't agree with the 1st degree murder charge.
The idea that you can bait someone into robbing your house so you can murder them is a tad ridiculous.
Seems to me that 2nd degree murder would be appropriate given that he clearly acted beyond self defense with the dragging the victim to another room to finish the job.
The idea that you can bait someone into robbing your house so you can murder them is a tad ridiculous.
Seems to me that 2nd degree murder would be appropriate given that he clearly acted beyond self defense with the dragging the victim to another room to finish the job.
guy should have been sent free.
This jury basically excused the actions of the thugs robbing him.
IMHO, you break into someone's house, you lose all rights.
This jury basically excused the actions of the thugs robbing him.
IMHO, you break into someone's house, you lose all rights.
why is this the right out come?
The two teens broke into his house. Did he force them into the house?
If no, then whatever. They are dead because they went somewhere they had no right being.
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Don Vito Corleone
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Yes, they broke the law and were behaving very badly. That didn't give this shitbag the right to murder them in cold bloom.
If this guy shot them both dead and called the cops immediately, he would be free today.
Having recordings of your self sounding bat shit crazy hours before and after the incident, is pretty fucking stupid.
Having recordings of your self sounding bat shit crazy hours before and after the incident, is pretty fucking stupid.
It should. He's not a shitbag.
These kids are, if they didn't break in, he wouldn't have done anything. They would still be alive.
But you'd rather defend the true thugs.
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