Man shopping in JC Penny in Utah with AR 15 & holstered Glock.

[blankslate]

This guy



Now back to the guy at jcpenny, he is cooler than you. Get over it.

if by cool you mean asshat attention seeking dumbfuck then yeah you're right.

 

[blankslate]

I agree with it completely. I just see a lot of people in this thread who would apparently outright panic at the mere sight of a guy calmly shopping with an AR-15.

The thing is in a civil society you don't go out of your way to alarm people just because you feel like it. Carrying a rifle around in public is doing that. If you want to be armed in public just get a CCW and be done with it.

 

[TallBill]

if by cool you mean asshat attention seeking dumbfuck then yeah you're right.

If he was seeking attention he probably would have made it a media stunt or posed for photos.

 

[blankslate]

If he was seeking attention he probably would have made it a media stunt or posed for photos.

The mere fact that it came to the attention of this forum shows that walking around JC penny with a Rifle was enough. Or are you too dense to grasp that point?

 

[TallBill]

The mere fact that it came to the attention of this forum shows that walking around JC penny with a Rifle was enough. Or are you too dense to grasp that point?

He was maybe trying to bring attention to something he believed. I'm willing to bet that there were other shoppers that thought nothing of his actions and yet even more that were glad to see it.

Just because you don't live somewhere that allows open carry and you're not used to it doesn't mean that you understand what is normal or accepted in Utah. I personally wouldn't open carry a rifle, mainly for the reason that its a pain in the ass. People open carry handguns in Arizona and its completely normal, yet if people from Chicago were in town they would have a panic attack.

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Let's get this right. The guy who wakes up and is in such fear of what may happen that he decides to strap two guns on is a real man. But the people who go through the day willing to confront whatever challenges that come with out any weapons are pussies? gotcha.

I bet you look at a picture like this and see a Somali death squad while a fellow armed patriot would see a family simply on their way to do some Christmas shopping.

See how your fear runs you?

 

[Zargon]

That may be the point he's trying to make, but there is not a single person who is in favor of gun control legislation who is going to take that message from this demonstration. And that's an important consideration. Is he trying to convince people who already hold his point of view? Well, no, obviously there's no need for that, they already agree with him. Is he trying to convert the Piers Morgans of the world? Well, he chose probably the worst possible method to make his case for that group of people. So what's he going for here? If anything, this sort of display strengthens the minds of anti-gun people even further, because I don't care how pro-gun you are, you don't want to see people carrying AR-15s around when you're doing some random shopping.

And, FYI, this is coming from someone who is staunchly pro-gun. I believe it's everyone's right to own a firearm, including some of the stuff that is currently banned. I also think people should exercise some common sense. Just because you're legally allowed to do something doesn't make it a good idea. As others have said, you can burn a flag, but that's not going to endear people to your cause. I don't care if you carry a pistol with you, but if I see someone strapped with an AR-15, or any long-barrel gun, or multiple guns, in a public place, I'm making myself scarce. I don't know that person's motivation, but I know that that's completely over the top for personal self defense, so they might be out to shoot a whole bunch of strangers, and I don't want any part of that.

sure, and I never said I thought he went about the best way, just that I see what his point could be, beyond hey i wanna be on tv

Of course if you're not breaking the law, you're not a criminal. But if you do something moronic like walking around a shopping mall with your AR15, you're guilty of being an attention whoring idiot.

sure, but since our culture seems to reward that behavior heavily, see any reality tv show, how can you relaly blame them


all of this how am I supposed to know their intentions stuff is hilarious. you never know ANYONES intention. the guy in the car behind you could be waiting for you to get out so he could run you over and kill you.

people dont wear signs that scream I am a criminal, nor d omost criminals openly brandish firearms, so I wouldnt generally worry about anyone open carrying ANYTHING

 

[xj0hnx]

Apparently Israelis have taught their guns how to behave while shopping, and not jump off their backs and start killing people while out shopping, or on school trips. According to the living in fear, anti-gun nut jobs, all those children should be dead, and that shop should look like the OK Corral (Yes, I am just mocking here).

 

[sigurros81]

sure, and I never said I thought he went about the best way, just that I see what his point could be, beyond hey i wanna be on tv




sure, but since our culture seems to reward that behavior heavily, see any reality tv show, how can you relaly blame them


all of this how am I supposed to know their intentions stuff is hilarious. you never know ANYONES intention. the guy in the car behind you could be waiting for you to get out so he could run you over and kill you.

people dont wear signs that scream I am a criminal, nor d omost criminals openly brandish firearms, so I wouldnt generally worry about anyone open carrying ANYTHING

Most normal people drive cars. Not most normal people walk around JCP with an AR15 strapped to their back. See the difference?

 

[sigurros81]

Apparently Israelis have taught their guns how to behave while shopping, and not jump off their backs and start killing people while out shopping, or on school trips. According to the living in fear, anti-gun nut jobs, all those children should be dead, and that shop should look like the OK Corral (Yes, I am just mocking here).

Good job comparing apples to oranges. Until America becomes more like Israel, this comparison is idiotic.

 

[jackstar7]

Always enjoy tips on better living that we get from the Middle East. They really do provide excellent role models for modern life.

 

[momeNt]

Weird how this thread managed to bring all the racists out.

 

[xj0hnx]

Good job comparing apples to oranges. Until America becomes more like Israel, this comparison is idiotic.

Ahhh, you almost get it, you're so close, if you think about it just a little bit more I think you'll figure it out.

 

[JDBaughman]

Most normal people drive cars. Not most normal people walk around JCP with an AR15 strapped to their back. See the difference?

Idiot

 

[sigurros81]

Idiot

So I'm now an idiot as well as a closet gun lover who is afraid of my own guns and only keep it in a locked safe and only bring it out to show off to my friends when they come over? You getting your meds alright stud? :biggrin:

 

[Zargon]

Most normal people drive cars. Not most normal people walk around JCP with an AR15 strapped to their back. See the difference?

'normal' people commit murder everyday

whats your point?

whats normal?

 

[blankslate]

Apparently Israelis have taught their guns how to behave while shopping, and not jump off their backs and start killing people while out shopping, or on school trips.

The difference between your photo of Israelis is that the women in this picture are probably serving their term in the military and have issued rifles.

Additionally they don't have magazines in the magazine wells of their weapons.

While the JC Penny yahoo attention seeking asshat from the photographs I've seen actually did have one in his weapon. And likely he's not in the military while pulling the attention seeking stunt.

Bystanders have no way of knowing if there are rounds in the magazine or not.

As another poster stated apple to oranges. Only the disingenuous or those truly incapable of critical thinking would think those two examples are even remotely similar...

I'm sorry I must've missed the point where the U.S. is less than 100 years old shares borders with hostile nation-states who collectively have higher populations than a measly 400 million and needs military aid from an allies to help keep its borders intact.

Better watch out for those islamo-facist Canadians

 

[momeNt]

The difference between your photo of Israelis is that the women in this picture are probably serving their term in the military and have issued rifles.

Additionally they don't have magazines in the magazine wells of their weapons.

While the JC Penny yahoo attention seeking asshat from the photographs I've seen actually did have one in his weapon. And likely he's not in the military while pulling the attention seeking stunt.

Bystanders have no way of knowing if there are rounds in the magazine or not.

As another poster stated apple to oranges. Only the disingenuous or those truly incapable of critical thinking would think those two examples are even remotely similar...

I'm sorry I must've missed the point where the U.S. is less than 100 years old shares borders with hostile nation-states. Better watch out for those islamo-facist Canadians

Our hostility has nearly always come from across the oceans. Revolutionary War, Pearl Harbor, 9/11.

The English tried to convince colonists that their borders were safe and they didn't need their weapons anymore, the redcoats could handle any possible threats. We knew they were wrong then and we know you are wrong now.

 

[blankslate]

Our hostility has nearly always come from across the oceans. Revolutionary War, Pearl Harbor, 9/11. The English tried to convince colonists that their borders were safe and they didn't need their weapons anymore, the redcoats could handle any possible threats. We knew they were wrong then and we know you are wrong now.

False analogies.

You don't address the real differences in Israel's situation and the U.S. situation that makes the photo comparison a few posts earlier insane.

First we don't have any credible military threat from countries that share our borders.
Neither Mexico nor Canada is hostile to the U.S. while Israel definitely cannot be sure of the same thing from their neighbors

As for the Redcoat example? We rebelled from them. Of course they were going to try and invade. Not related to the pictures I addressed but I suppose a pretty good red herring for you and your ilk.

Pearl Harbor happened before the advent of nuclear weapons and since then it's rather unlikely that the military chain of command will allow practically every ship in a fleet to be in dock at once that too is not even relevant to the JC asshat photo and the photo of Israelis with magazineless weapons.

Your <sarcasm>brilliant</sarcasm> examples doesn't even address the inane stupid and moronic photo comparison a few posts earlier in the thread.

Go on though. It's mildly amusing to watch how you bring up things not even related to the issue at hand and think you've brought up a mindblowing argument.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Our hostility has nearly always come from across the oceans. Revolutionary War, Pearl Harbor, 9/11.

The English tried to convince colonists that their borders were safe and they didn't need their weapons anymore, the redcoats could handle any possible threats. We knew they were wrong then and we know you are wrong now.

So you're saying that we should all carry AR-15s to the mall just in case we happen to run into some redcoats carrying a 222-year-old grudge?

 

[Tom]

Apparently Israelis have taught their guns how to behave while shopping, and not jump off their backs and start killing people while out shopping, or on school trips. According to the living in fear, anti-gun nut jobs, all those children should be dead, and that shop should look like the OK Corral (Yes, I am just mocking here).

Here's a deal for you from a liberal..I'd be happy to change our gun laws and rights for Israel's, today.

Deal ?

 

[JDBaughman]

Here's a deal for you from a liberal..I'd be happy to change our gun laws and rights for Israel's, today.

Deal ?

Hahaha now back to reality

 

[Zargon]

The difference between your photo of Israelis is that the women in this picture are probably serving their term in the military and have issued rifles.

Additionally they don't have magazines in the magazine wells of their weapons.

While the JC Penny yahoo attention seeking asshat from the photographs I've seen actually did have one in his weapon. And likely he's not in the military while pulling the attention seeking stunt.

Bystanders have no way of knowing if there are rounds in the magazine or not.

he's a veteran and hes young so he is almost certainly a reservist at this point. beyond that why does it matter if the the AR was loaded anyways, seriously/ he had a loaded handgun, which almost no one is talking about. there were probably 50 other armed people at the mall that no one knew about

shouldnt it be more troubling that there are people CCW's and open carrying if this isnt about being afraid of the seeing the gun?

no one has a right to know if its loaded IF carrying a loaded rifle is legal.

False analogies.

First we don't have any credible military threat from countries that share our borders.
Neither Mexico nor Canada is hostile to the U.S. while Israel definitely cannot be sure of the same thing from their neighbors

mexico is a fairly credible and active threat to a number of us citizens seeing as how around half the mexican army is working for/with the cartels and shepards them to the border

notice Im not saying they are going to mass invade and start a war, thought they still are pretty sore about texas, arizona...part of cali....

 

[BoberFett]

The thing is in a civil society you don't go out of your way to alarm people just because you feel like it. Carrying a rifle around in public is doing that. If you want to be armed in public just get a CCW and be done with it.

Do you say the same about offensive art?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Apparently Israelis have taught their guns how to behave while shopping, and not jump off their backs and start killing people while out shopping, or on school trips. According to the living in fear, anti-gun nut jobs, all those children should be dead, and that shop should look like the OK Corral (Yes, I am just mocking here).

Wow, they even trained their "Real" assault weapon to behave as well!!!!!!