Man shopping in JC Penny in Utah with AR 15 & holstered Glock.

[momeNt]

Just a question, supposed someone decides to exercise his first ademdment rights and call him an asshole out loud.

If the guy proceeds to reach for his gun then what?

Calling someone an asshole is not an assault. In fact it could be called just exercising an opinion.

Just a question, suppose someone took a broomstick, some bleach and ammonia to a small cubic foot, single entry enclosed area, like those small shops in a mall.

They then proceeded to mix the bleach and ammonia and then bar the door shut with the broomstick.

Then what?

 

[irishScott]

If that's the norm in Utah then thanks for letting me know. you and your ilk are welcome to the wild west. After all it only makes the gun industry richer. but then I suppose you like bending over and being a two-bit shill.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state

Utah Murder rate/100,000 in 2011: 1.9
US Average in 2011: 4.7

Yeah, it's the rip-roaring wild west out there with a dead man's hand every Friday!

 

[sigurros81]

Utah is full of white people, and we all know white people don't shoot at other white people...duh.

That's probably why that redneck was able to walk around with his AR15 slung to his back. As someone else said, if that was a black man, may have been an entirely different story all together.

 

[momeNt]

Utah is full of white people, and we all know white people don't shoot at other white people...duh.

That's probably why that redneck was able to walk around with his AR15 slung to his back. As someone else said, if that was a black man, may have been an entirely different story all together.

The guy was black.

Take your racist dog-whistle and go home.

 

[TallBill]

Just a question, supposed someone decides to exercise his first ademdment rights and call him an asshole out loud.

If the guy proceeds to reach for his gun then what?

Calling someone an asshole is not an assault. In fact it could be called just exercising an opinion.

Lol what imaginary world do you live in? Hilarious that you guys are shocked that a massacre didn't happen.

 

[JDBaughman]

Lol what imaginary world do you live in? Hilarious that you guys are shocked that a massacre didn't happen.

Im surprised I don't see more people walking around with their ARs... I mean, with the direction that our country is heading in, im surprised you don't see mobs of people with ARs.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

The guy was black.

Take your racist dog-whistle and go home.

He "was" black when, exactly? He is about as white as printer paper:

In fairness, if you look it isn't hard to find examples of black guys openly carrying rifles in an idiotic fashion. Chris Broughton, who belongs to that wacky church in AZ whose pastor says he hates President Obama and wants him dead, came to a public Obamacare rally with his own AR-15:

 

[JDBaughman]

He "was" black when, exactly? He is about as white as printer paper:

In fairness, if you look it isn't hard to find examples of black guys openly carrying rifles in an idiotic fashion. Chris Broughton, who belongs to that wacky church in AZ whose pastor says he hates President Obama and wants him dead, came to a public Obamacare rally with his own AR-15:

It looks like terror is just reigning down on everyone in that picture... just looks like everyone is scared shitless and ducking for cover... crazy how people werent even there are nlmore terrified for their life than the people in the picture

 

[blankslate]

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murd...ally-and-state Utah Murder rate/100,000 in 2011: 1.9 US Average in 2011: 4.7 Yeah, it's the rip-roaring wild west out there with a dead man's hand every Friday!

this is an excuse for walking around with a rifle in public(instead of at the range or while on the way to hunt)?

No it's not. too bad you don't realize it.

conceal carry all you want. The only reason to carry a rifle with a magazine in the magazine well is to call attention to yourself.

 

[Zargon]

this is an excuse for walking around with a rifle in public(instead of at the range or while on the way to hunt)?

No it's not. too bad you don't realize it.

conceal carry all you want. The only reason to carry a rifle with a magazine in the

 

[ivwshane]

pretty sure that he was clear that his intent was to draw attention to the issues

and the magazine IIRC was empty

So then he was just being an attention whore as stated by blankslate.

 

[TallBill]

this is an excuse for walking around with a rifle in public(instead of at the range or while on the way to hunt)?

No it's not. too bad you don't realize it.

conceal carry all you want. The only reason to carry a rifle with a magazine in the magazine well is to call attention to yourself.

Excuse? What does he need an excuse for?

 

[Atomic Playboy]

pretty sure that he was clear that his intent was to draw attention to the issues

and the magazine IIRC was empty

The magazine being empty has literally zero to do with public perception of someone strapped with an AR-15 in a public place, especially given that there was a shooting not two months ago with an AR-15 in a shopping mall. Can you tell the magazine is empty by looking at it? No? Then it doesn't change the perception of passers-by looking at someone carrying a rifle in a mall. It's just remarkably short-sighted and completely oblivious on behalf of the person carrying the gun, regardless of his specific training, competence or motivation.

 

[Zargon]

The magazine being empty has literally zero to do with public perception of someone strapped with an AR-15 in a public place, especially given that there was a shooting not two months ago with an AR-15 in a shopping mall. Can you tell the magazine is empty by looking at it? No? Then it doesn't change the perception of passers-by looking at someone carrying a rifle in a mall. It's just remarkably short-sighted and completely oblivious on behalf of the person carrying the gun, regardless of his specific training, competence or motivation.

So then he was just being an attention whore as stated by blankslate.

He said he brought the guns to J.C. Penney to show that firearms are not dangerous in the hands of law-abiding citizens.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...g-citizens_n_2504142.html?utm_hp_ref=business

attention whore might not be the right word but whatever.

you dont see the point him demonstrating that the 'evil black rifles the news wont shut up about' arent evil, by showing that people can have them and not murder 50 people,


and public perception is part of the problem as all gun owners are getting painted as murderous zealots by piers morgan and the like

 

[Howard]

lol wow. so, according to you guys, its "obvious" the guy is law abiding because he's walking in with a rifle around his shoulder and has a holstered gun? what PLANET are you guys living on? if i see someone walking into a store with weapons red flags IMMEDIATELY go up & its FAR from obvious that he's law abiding! This isn't the 19th century wild west, we have police & a government, not random people with no training & no people skills being armed to the teeth to protect us from who they think are "bad guys". At least the police have extensive training and i can trust them not to misuse their weapons, but private citizens i know nothing about walking around with rifles has so many variables that it'd make me uncomfortable unless i knew the guy was trained, not hot tempered, and not having a bad day. Indeed, i totally believe there are more stupid people out there than intelligent people, so NO, i don't think its obvious that this 22 yr old kid is law abiding. If anything i think he's a kid with an ego and wants to give off a tough guy image.

I'm from Toronto, that guy would be tackled to the ground and arrested on SIGHT! So no, its NOT obvious he's law abiding to me.

I remember when i was in the militia here a member of our platoon with a rifle got tackled and arrested by police after falling behind during our morning PT. We were running a few blocks from our armory with our C7s (Canadian M16 variants) around our shoulders when he fell behind. People saw him running alone with a rifle around his shoulder & called the cops (despite being in uniform). 10 minutes later and he was swarmed by police. lol it was hilarious at the time but totally called for.

You make it hard for people to believe that there are rational Canadians.

 

[Zargon]

yup. thats a place where open carry is legal......having a gun doesnt make you automatically a criminal.....

 

[Atomic Playboy]

you dont see the point him demonstrating that the 'evil black rifles the news wont shut up about' arent evil, by showing that people can have them and not murder 50 people,

and public perception is part of the problem as all gun owners are getting painted as murderous zealots by piers morgan and the like

That may be the point he's trying to make, but there is not a single person who is in favor of gun control legislation who is going to take that message from this demonstration. And that's an important consideration. Is he trying to convince people who already hold his point of view? Well, no, obviously there's no need for that, they already agree with him. Is he trying to convert the Piers Morgans of the world? Well, he chose probably the worst possible method to make his case for that group of people. So what's he going for here? If anything, this sort of display strengthens the minds of anti-gun people even further, because I don't care how pro-gun you are, you don't want to see people carrying AR-15s around when you're doing some random shopping.

And, FYI, this is coming from someone who is staunchly pro-gun. I believe it's everyone's right to own a firearm, including some of the stuff that is currently banned. I also think people should exercise some common sense. Just because you're legally allowed to do something doesn't make it a good idea. As others have said, you can burn a flag, but that's not going to endear people to your cause. I don't care if you carry a pistol with you, but if I see someone strapped with an AR-15, or any long-barrel gun, or multiple guns, in a public place, I'm making myself scarce. I don't know that person's motivation, but I know that that's completely over the top for personal self defense, so they might be out to shoot a whole bunch of strangers, and I don't want any part of that.

 

[Howard]

That may be the point he's trying to make, but there is not a single person who is in favor of gun control legislation who is going to take that message from this demonstration. And that's an important consideration. Is he trying to convince people who already hold his point of view? Well, no, obviously there's no need for that, they already agree with him. Is he trying to convert the Piers Morgans of the world? Well, he chose probably the worst possible method to make his case for that group of people. So what's he going for here? If anything, this sort of display strengthens the minds of anti-gun people even further, because I don't care how pro-gun you are, you don't want to see people carrying AR-15s around when you're doing some random shopping.

And, FYI, this is coming from someone who is staunchly pro-gun. I believe it's everyone's right to own a firearm, including some of the stuff that is currently banned. I also think people should exercise some common sense. Just because you're legally allowed to do something doesn't make it a good idea. As others have said, you can burn a flag, but that's not going to endear people to your cause. I don't care if you carry a pistol with you, but if I see someone strapped with an AR-15, or any long-barrel gun, or multiple guns, in a public place, I'm making myself scarce. I don't know that person's motivation, but I know that that's completely over the top for personal self defense, so they might be out to shoot a whole bunch of strangers, and I don't want any part of that.

Well said.

 

[Tom]

It looks like terror is just reigning down on everyone in that picture... just looks like everyone is scared shitless and ducking for cover... crazy how people werent even there are nlmore terrified for their life than the people in the picture

I'll bet'ya not too many people made eye contact with him.

 

[Zxian]

And, FYI, this is coming from someone who is staunchly pro-gun. I believe it's everyone's right to own a firearm, including some of the stuff that is currently banned. I also think people should exercise some common sense. Just because you're legally allowed to do something doesn't make it a good idea. As others have said, you can burn a flag, but that's not going to endear people to your cause. I don't care if you carry a pistol with you, but if I see someone strapped with an AR-15, or any long-barrel gun, or multiple guns, in a public place, I'm making myself scarce. I don't know that person's motivation, but I know that that's completely over the top for personal self defense, so they might be out to shoot a whole bunch of strangers, and I don't want any part of that.

I agree with just about every part of this statement. I have no problem with gun ownership per-se. It's the lack of proper, safe exposure to firearms safety by the general public that's a problem. Like Atomic said, neither you or I have any idea about the individual's intention, and if it is for malicious purposes, you usually don't have enough time to react before someone gets seriously hurt.

 

[irishScott]

this is an excuse for walking around with a rifle in public(instead of at the range or while on the way to hunt)?

No it's not. too bad you don't realize it.

conceal carry all you want. The only reason to carry a rifle with a magazine in the magazine well is to call attention to yourself.

Yes, as was his intent. The good news is most criminals won't be calling attention to themselves.

 

[HomerJS]

Lol what imaginary world do you live in? Hilarious that you guys are shocked that a massacre didn't happen.

Obviously you don't get out of the house. That kind of stuff happens quite frequently. Let's say this guy who seems to have a desire to metaphorically "whip out his dick in public" decided to bring his dildo to a football game. What could happen if a crazed fan of an opposing team called him an asshole??

Get my point?

 

[RampantAndroid]

have to be able to protect themselves at any moment.

Erm, what's wrong with this?

 

[ivwshane]

Erm, what's wrong with this?

What's wrong? I have no idea what the context of that post was, can you post the whole quote?

 

[RampantAndroid]

What's wrong? I have no idea what the context of that post was, can you post the whole quote?

The blue arrow on the quote takes you to the full post. It was the #2 post in this thread.

Obviously anyone carrying a gun into a store is a law abiding citizen, it's only when they start shooting people that they are breaking the law. The obvious thing to do is nothing until they start shooting people.

For example, in Newtown the shooter should have the right to enter the school with a gun, he knew people that worked there and no one should have done anything to stop him BUT when he started killing kids and adults, that's when he crossed the line.

So to summarize; the reasonable thing to do is allow everyone to exercise their 2nd amendment rights and carry a gun where ever they want and then make shooting people illegal.

After all we are a country full of pussies and they have to be able to protect themselves at any moment.





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