Man robs bank to get medical care in jail

[nobodyknows]

IMO we should have a rational form of UHC...but that's besides the point.

Not really. Everybody with have a brain has seen this health care train wreck happening in slow motion for the last 20+ years.... if not longer. Why don't we have health insurance available for everyone by now?? Who do we point the finger at?

I'm 'implying' that our media is either incredibly incompetent or actively engaged in propaganda for the "cause". You choose.

Umm, you call that "specific"? That's just your opinion, back it up with something. Why do you think that?

 

[Whoozyerdaddy]

If I were the judge I would have fined him and sentenced him to probation. :biggrin:

 

[nonlnear]

If I were the judge I would have fined him and sentenced him to probation. :biggrin:

How about community service at a hospital?

 

[theeedude]

If I were the judge I would have fined him and sentenced him to probation. :biggrin:

By the time that happens, he would have already gotten health care in jail.

 

[DrPizza]

If I were the judge I would have fined him and sentenced him to probation. :biggrin:

The guy has even said that if he receives such a punishment, he'd just repeat the crime until he was put back in jail. But, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the guy can't afford the fine and would very likely resort to exactly what he threatened to do.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

This tells me medical care in jails and prisons should be scaled back.

Essentially giving many people who are in prison a death sentence when they never received a death sentence? My understanding is that prisoners receive health care benefits because it would be considered cruel and unusual punishment to deny them health care, and obviously they can't hold down jobs to pay for it while they're in prison.

If we want more people to have health care we need to grow jobs which is hard to do when we're in a rate race with third-worlders.

I agree. Regardless of whether you support free market health care with its insurance company commission-based death panels or socialized medicine, it's definitely easier for a nation's people to afford it when the economy is doing well.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Earlier this month, Verone (pictured), a 59-year-old convenience store clerk, walked into a Gaston, N.C., bank and handed the cashier a note demanding $1 and medical attention. Then he waited calmly for police to show up.

Hooray for this guy. He's essentially practicing civil disobedience as both a practical matter and as an implicit form of protest against our retarded health care system.

I wonder what would happen if he started a trend.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

A rainy day fund? You fucking rubes!!! LOL

Remember, many of the happily employed people in this country are completely oblivious to the reality that the majority of people suffer under. Their free market meritocracy fantasy world answer to people's problems is a modern day equivalent of "Let them eat cake." These are the same morons who believe that anyone who wants to work can find a job that will allow them to work to their full abilities and to receive proper compensation for it, if only people wanted to work.

In this country an economic death is death! Every single one of you self-made men is one heart attack away from debilitating poverty. Once you get sick, you get fired, you lose your home, you lose your insurance, and you lose your life.

"But...but...I work hard and I'm college educated and I'm a good moral person so my employer would never do that to me, and even if it did happen I'd find another job just as good or better right away. What you're saying only applies to lazy people."

At what point can you morons keep saying we can't afford healthcare for all yet can still spend trillions on to big to fail, military welfare, and crony capitalism? We can afford theft, greed, and lies but not health?

Amazing, isn't it.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Who mentioned zero cost? People who support UHC know it will cost us in taxes. Its a price we are willing to pay.

It's actually either a cost savings to get what we have now or we'll get more health care value for the same money we're spending now. These savings are achieved by excising the very wasteful insurance system and everything that goes along with it. So, it really won't cost us much of anything all. In actuality, it's our current system that's costing us.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

I don't know what crappy ass companies you've worked for in your life. I had a coworker that fought colon cancer for 3 1/2 years and the company didn't fire him, nor did the insurance company didn't drop his coverage. He paid the max out of pocket ($2,000/year) for those 3 1/2 years and the insurance covered the rest.

What kind of a job did he have? Did he have a nice gold-plated white collar job or a more common shitty job?

 

[Infohawk]

Essentially giving many people who are in prison a death sentence when they never received a death sentence? My understanding is that prisoners receive health care benefits because it would be considered cruel and unusual punishment to deny them health care, and obviously they can't hold down jobs to pay for it while they're in prison.

Everyone's been sentenced to death by nature. You don't get to escape it because you're in prison. The idea that prisoners get medical care made sense when all Americans had medical care. Times have changed. All I'm saying is prisoners shouldn't have access to medical care that middle or working class citizens don't get it. If you want UHC that's fine, but we don't have it right now.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Math and logic not your strong suit?

Government medical spending already accounts for 50% of all medical expenditures in this country. Proponents of UCH say that other countries spend half of what we spend per citizen. That means that governments here in the USare already spending the same amount per citizen that other countries with UHC spend while only covering 15% of the population for that same cost. So unless the US government can figure out how to cover the remaining 85% at zero cost we will still spend a lot more than other countries. The problem is not who is running healthcare, the problem is the expectations that we have of healthcare in this country.

How much of that alleged 50% that's spent on government medical spending ends up being consumed or supporting the wasteful insurance industry and hospital bureaucracy in some sort of a way? How much of it is spent to keep terminally sick people alive for an extra 6 months with a low quality of life?

Even if we were to adjust our expectations for health care so that we no longer keep terminally ill people alive for an extra 6 months, can you explain what the private health insurance companies, hospital bureaucracies, insurance brokers, and company benefits plan managers contribute to the actual provision of health care? It seems to make sense that we could save a whole lot of money by cutting that group out of the equation.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

How much of that alleged 50% that's spent on government medical spending ends up being consumed or supporting the wasteful insurance industry and hospital bureaucracy in some sort of a way? How much of it is spent to keep terminally sick people alive for an extra 6 months with a low quality of life?

Even if we were to adjust our expectations for health care so that we no longer keep terminally ill people alive for an extra 6 months, can you explain what the private health insurance companies, hospital bureaucracies, insurance brokers, and company benefits plan managers contribute to the actual provision of health care? It seems to make sense that we could save a whole lot of money by cutting that group out of the equation.

The main difference is that in UHC countries, the gov owns hospitals.

A private hospital might charge Medicaid $10k for an op, that really only costs the hospital $2k.

That's where UHC comes into its own. It gets rid of all the private hospital/insurance price gouging.

There's no natural supply/demand curve in healthcare, so you need the gov to make sure prices stay reasonable.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Everyone's been sentenced to death by nature. You don't get to escape it because you're in prison. The idea that prisoners get medical care made sense when all Americans had medical care. Times have changed. All I'm saying is prisoners shouldn't have access to medical care that middle or working class citizens don't get it. If you want UHC that's fine, but we don't have it right now.

I see where you're coming from. At least the middle and working class citizens have the possibility of being able to go to work and to pay for health care. Someone in prison can't do that. Thus, denying necessary health care to a prisoner is tantamount to a death sentence. Is that what we want for people who are convicted of non-violent crimes?

 

[Infohawk]

I see where you're coming from. At least the middle and working class citizens have the possibility of being able to go to work and to pay for health care. Someone in prison can't do that. Thus, denying necessary health care to a prisoner is tantamount to a death sentence. Is that what we want for people who are convicted of non-violent crimes?

Is it really as simple as that to say middle-class people have the opportunity to work? I think the idea is that more and more people simply aren't being given a chance to work or work for enough money to get medical care. And if you're going to say that they have a choice, then let's accept that the criminals had a choice too when they went to jail. It sounds like you're presuming convicts are innocent and being unfairly deprived of a shot at helping themselves. The criminals had their shot at living a life with luxuries like health care and public assistance and chose to get themselves into prison.

Again, I'm taking issue with this whole attitude that prisoners are entitled to something that the average person is not. The fact that prisoners made a bad decision to get themselves put in jail doesn't somehow make them more entitled.

 

[theeedude]

Average person should be entitled to health care too. It's an embarrassment that we don't provide average people the same health care we provide prisoners, not the other way around.

 

[Infohawk]

Average person should be entitled to health care too. It's an embarrassment that we don't provide average people the same health care we provide prisoners, not the other way around.

We've already been over this. You live in a world where there is infinite wealth and the only thing that keeps you (and all the illegals and all prisoners) from having everything you want is greedy rich people. I live in a world where difficult choices have to be made because resources and wealth are limited.

 

[Throckmorton]

We've already been over this. You live in a world where there is infinite wealth and the only thing that keeps you (and all the illegals and all prisoners) from having everything you want is greedy rich people. I live in a world where difficult choices have to be made because resources and wealth are limited.

Wealth and money are two different hings. Money is a made up way of representing value. There's no reason why anybody shouldn't receive necessary healthcare to preserve life, which has real value, for lack of a virtual representation of value.

 

[Mursilis]

Not wanting to wipe out your loved ones. Shocking.

But willing to wipe out the rest of us. Not-so-shocking anymore.

 

[Mursilis]

Average person should be entitled to health care too. It's an embarrassment that we don't provide average people the same health care we provide prisoners, not the other way around.

The average person does have health care.

 

[Throckmorton]

The average person does have health care.

The average person has a high likelihood of being unemployed or employed in a job that doesn't provide health insurance.

 

[Throckmorton]

Bank robs man.

 

[Generator]

Is this what its come to? Stealing the prisoners care to balance it out with the poor fucks with no care? And the comments about the guy apperance...really? He's fucking sick man. Don't you people get it?! He is unwell, he might be dying for all we know.

If anything the man was driven crazy by the empty ideas of people like Infohawk. You do realize taking away the care from prisoners is not a solution right? You do get it, right? Of coursee you fucking don't! You are man of no ideas, no will, no humanity. You insult the ill and then offer to take his care away to level the playing field. Prepoustorous tripe. Your reality is a facade that will be drained away.

 

[Mursilis]

Is this what its come to? Stealing the prisoners care to balance it out with the poor fucks with no care? And the comments about the guy apperance...really? He's fucking sick man. Don't you people get it?! He is unwell, he might be dying for all we know.

If anything the man was driven crazy by the empty ideas of people like Infohawk. You do realize taking away the care from prisoners is not a solution right? You do get it, right? Of coursee you fucking don't! You are man of no ideas, no will, no humanity. You insult the ill and then offer to take his care away to level the playing field. Prepoustorous tripe. Your reality is a facade that will be drained away.

It's funny that you rage at Infohawk, and yet both of you have done the exact same thing to help this man - absolutely nothing.

 

[theeedude]

If rightwingers got their way they would turn our prison systems into breeding grounds for disease that spreads to the general public when the inmates get out. That's working out great for Russia.