Man robs bank to get medical care in jail

[Mursilis]

Who mentioned zero cost? People who support UHC know it will cost us in taxes. Its a price we are willing to pay.

Really? Then why is raising taxes a sure-fire way to guarantee an election loss?

The vast, vast majority are unwilling to pay for UHC. Most of them may want it, but most don't want to pay for it.

 

[theeedude]

Really? Then why is raising taxes a sure-fire way to guarantee an election loss?

The vast, vast majority are unwilling to pay for UHC. Most of them may want it, but most don't want to pay for it.

Our government already spends as much on health care as countries that have UHC.

 

[matt0611]

Our government already spends as much on health care as countries that have UHC.

So you're saying we can take that money and use it for universal healthcare for us?

We won't need any more additional funding for UHC right? Is that what you're saying?

 

[Mursilis]

Our government already spends as much on health care as countries that have UHC.

Thank you for admitting the inefficiency of large bureaucratic organizations, especially those not really accountable to market forces.

 

[theeedude]

Thank you for admitting the inefficiency of large bureaucratic organizations, especially those not really accountable to market forces.

Because they've been explicitly prevented by Republicans from exercising their market power. No negotiating for lower prices.

 

[woolfe9999]

That's might benevolent of him - he didn't want to be a burden on his own family, but he's happy to take from the rest of us! Entitlement mentality FTL.

LOL we have 2 people commenting that the guy is an idiot for not availing himself of entitlements. Then when it is pointed out that he did try to avail himself, he's an asshole for having "entitlement mentality." Faced with no choice, I am gathering that suicide would then have to be his preferred option.

 

[Mursilis]

LOL we have 2 people commenting that the guy is an idiot for not availing himself of entitlements. Then when it is pointed out that he did try to avail himself, he's an asshole for having "entitlement mentality." Faced with no choice, I am gathering that suicide would then have to be his preferred option.

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of him not wanting to be a burden on his family, but at the same time willing to be a burden on the rest of us strangers.

 

[Infohawk]

LOL we have 2 people commenting that the guy is an idiot for not availing himself of entitlements. Then when it is pointed out that he did try to avail himself, he's an asshole for having "entitlement mentality." Faced with no choice, I am gathering that suicide would then have to be his preferred option.

I don't disagree with this, but I thought it was interesting he didn't want to bother his siblings. Family is often the last resort for people and that's part of what they're there for. Considering that he skipped over this legitimate path and engaged in conduct that could have gotten someone killed (stray bullet from "hero" kills bystander) and considering this was likely traumatic for the bank teller I don't think this guy is morally defensible. (And no I'm not going to be convinced that the $1 demand made it okay. If I were the bank teller I would assume the guy is crazy and dangerous.)

 

[Craig234]

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of him not wanting to be a burden on his family, but at the same time willing to be a burden on the rest of us strangers.

Not wanting to wipe out your loved ones. Shocking. As LBJ said on his Medicare bill:

No longer will illness crush and destroy the savings that they have so carefully put away over a lifetime so that they might enjoy dignity in their later years. No longer will young families see their own incomes, and their own hopes, eaten away simply because they are carrying out their deep moral obligations to their parents, and to their uncles, and their aunts.

 

[nobodyknows]

Apparently Verone is hoping for a three-year sentence figuring he'll then be able to collect Social Security when he gets out. Also, he's already spoken to a realtor and plans to purchase a condo on the beach in Myrtle Beach.​

He "plans" on buying on condo in Myrtle beach? So what, we had people buying houses who "planned" on paying for them even though the payments were 67% of their gross income.

I "planned" on retiring as a multi millionare with a Lear jet at 55 too. So what??

 

[nobodyknows]

I was merely pointing out the hypocrisy of him not wanting to be a burden on his family, but at the same time willing to be a burden on the rest of us strangers.

Spoken like a true asshat.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

He "plans" on buying on condo in Myrtle beach? So what, we had people buying houses who "planned" on paying for them even though the payments were 67% of their gross income.

I "planned" on retiring as a multi millionare with a Lear jet at 55 too. So what??

Doesn't it strike you as odd that he thinks he has enough money for a condo and doesn't have enough for healthcare? Or that he was unaware of numerous free healthcare options for the poor in his community.

Doesn't it also strike you as odd that the media left out a few facts relevant to the story to deceive us into thinking he was a victim who was forced to resort to crime to get treated? Yeah...so what.

 

[Nebor]

Spoken like a true asshat.

Explain?

 

[nobodyknows]

Doesn't it strike you as odd that he thinks he has enough money for a condo and doesn't have enough for healthcare? Or that he was unaware of numerous free healthcare options for the poor in his community.

Doesn't it also strike you as odd that the media left out a few facts relevant to the story to deceive us into thinking he was a victim who was forced to resort to crime to get treated? Yeah...so what.

IMO anybody working should have insurance and anybody who thinks differntly, well see my sig.

As far as the rest of your post, please be specific as to what you imply.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

IMO anybody working should have insurance and anybody who thinks differntly, well see my sig.

As far as the rest of your post, please be specific as to what you imply.

IMO we should have a rational form of UHC...but that's besides the point.

I'm 'implying' that our media is either incredibly incompetent or actively engaged in propaganda for the "cause". You choose.

 

[Fern]

LOL we have 2 people commenting that the guy is an idiot for not availing himself of entitlements. Then when it is pointed out that he did try to avail himself, he's an asshole for having "entitlement mentality." Faced with no choice, I am gathering that suicide would then have to be his preferred option.

Umm, no.

Those people are correct. See the link in post #72 for example.

I live in NC, and as I pointed out earlier hospitals here heavily discount costs for people who aren't even really poor. That plus there are numerous charites they will pick up the tab for you. BTW: you need not even do much to take advantage of those charities as the hospitals are aware of them and will do the paperwork for you.

Then there's free health clinics etc. We have these in even the smallest of towns/counties.

We're I the judge I wouldn't charge him with bank robbery. He had no intent to rob a bank, he was just pulling a stunt. Seems more like some sort of criminal mischief charge might be appropriate.

Fern

 

[Fern]

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I'm 'implying' that our media is either incredibly incompetent or actively engaged in propaganda for the "cause". You choose.

I choose both. IMO, a strong dose of the latter which leads me to believe the former also applies.

Fern

 

[bfdd]

God forbid. We are simply going to say how much we as taxpayers are willing to pay. That is bargaining power.

That's not bargaining power. You want to use the force and might of the government to force private citizens to set prices for what they are willing to sell their services for. That is fucked up and that is strong arming. Bargaining requires there be other chips on the table that can be played by both sides, you leave none on the sides of health care providers.

 

[WHAMPOM]

There's your problem right there. The Democrat's idea of forcing everyone to buy insurance at gunpoint is not gonna improve the situation.

What?? Get your facts straight, read below.
What most people consider Obamacare is actually the Republican proposed alternative to Hillerycare.

 

[woolfe9999]

Umm, no.

Those people are correct. See the link in post #72 for example.

I live in NC, and as I pointed out earlier hospitals here heavily discount costs for people who aren't even really poor. That plus there are numerous charites they will pick up the tab for you. BTW: you need not even do much to take advantage of those charities as the hospitals are aware of them and will do the paperwork for you.

Then there's free health clinics etc. We have these in even the smallest of towns/counties.

We're I the judge I wouldn't charge him with bank robbery. He had no intent to rob a bank, he was just pulling a stunt. Seems more like some sort of criminal mischief charge might be appropriate.

Fern

Yeah that might be. The article does make reference to efforts he made, and it may not have provided an exhausive list of everything he did. OTOH it's more than possible he was not in a rational frame of mind, was clinically depressed, who knows. I would point out, however, that if you are correct that *someone* will pay for this, one way or the other, then he may as well have some means of getting coverage.

 

[woolfe9999]

I don't disagree with this, but I thought it was interesting he didn't want to bother his siblings. Family is often the last resort for people and that's part of what they're there for. Considering that he skipped over this legitimate path and engaged in conduct that could have gotten someone killed (stray bullet from "hero" kills bystander) and considering this was likely traumatic for the bank teller I don't think this guy is morally defensible. (And no I'm not going to be convinced that the $1 demand made it okay. If I were the bank teller I would assume the guy is crazy and dangerous.)

I wasn't defending his actions in particular. I don't think he made a rational choice. I was merely pointing out the contradictory criticisms being made.

 

[bfdd]

Not wanting to wipe out your loved ones. Shocking. As LBJ said on his Medicare bill:

We would probably be better off as a society if we were encouraged to take care of our elders and family. I hope some day my brothers and I can take care of my parents when they retire or at least help them. It's the LEAST we could do.


Fern, a hospital near me gives a minimum of a 50% discount up to an 80% discount if you pay in cash.

 

[Munky]

What?? Get your facts straight, read below.
What most people consider Obamacare is actually the Republican proposed alternative to Hillerycare.

Get YOUR facts straight, and read the rest of my replies. If Pelosi wasn't hell bent on cramming heathcare "reform" onto everyone, I wouldn't be blaming the Democrats.

 

[Munky]

dp

 

[Baasha]

talk about desperation.. what a sad state of affairs it is when in order to get basic health care, one has to resort to criminality...

with California spending $308M per death row inmate (not this guy of course), one wonders if the amenities in prison are indeed better than those outside for destitute people..