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Man robs bank to get medical care in jail

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senseamp, that's not "bargaining power" that's strong arming. We're going to use the government to force private individuals to offer health care at the prices we set?
 
bfdd said:
senseamp, that's not "bargaining power" that's strong arming. We're going to use the government to force private individuals to offer health care at the prices we set?
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God forbid. We are simply going to say how much we as taxpayers are willing to pay. That is bargaining power.
 
senseamp said:
We can use the government's bargaining power to spend less on Medicare, and use the savings to cover everyone. It's not rocket surgery, every other developed country has done this. Also, you seem shocked that the elderly cost more per capita to provide health care for? Are your mental faculties really in such a sorry state? It's disappointing.



Solution, obviously, since other countries with government provided health care are spending half of what we are to get better results.
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It must be fun skipping through life as an ignoramus.
 
Craig234 said:
Actually, it's the Republicans' idea. Want to attack Obama? Try plagiarism. Only when Democrats said 'ok, we'll use your system since you won't vote for ours' did they switch.

We don't need the individual mandate - if you people will stop blocking 'Medicare for all'.
If you do, then it's the next best thing, despite your whiny 'gunpoint' melodrama.
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So you're saying that Alan Grayson's HR 4789 never made it to a vote because the Republicans held it up? Try again. The power brokers in the Democrat party simply don't back universal health care - at least not unless it comes at no political cost to themselves. (You know, just like how the Republicans don't back small government unless it comes at no cost to themselves - which is never.)
 
spidey07 said:
Idiot. Should have just gotten on medicaid. If you're poor, you can easily get care. Medicaid, charities, etc.
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Medicaid eligibility requirements vary from state to state. He did apparently try to work the system:

Strapped for cash, Verone looked into filing for disability. He applied for early Social Security.

The only thing Verone qualified for was food stamps. The extra money helped, but he felt desperate. He needed to get medical attention, and he refused to be a burden on his sister and brothers.
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Sounds like he would have gotten Medicaid had it been available to him.

This story isn't that great of an illustration of any political point about healthcare, but your response indicates you haven't read the article.
 
He is lucky. If he was doing this in Texas, he would have been shot dead in the bank!!

Also, I would go this route as well. Why live on the streets when I could live in the prison system, get meals, medical attention and shelter?
 
BoberFett said:
As I already pointed out, government already spends half of this country's yearly health care expenditures to cover a mere 15% of the population. Do you really think they can provide it at zero cost to the other 85%?

So with those facts in mind, is government is the problem or the solution?
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Who mentioned zero cost? People who support UHC know it will cost us in taxes. Its a price we are willing to pay.
 
Munky said:
Of course, that must be why nancy pelozi worked overtime to shove her healthcare reform into law while most of congress wasn't looking. Keep trolololing....
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Or giving exemptions to all their buddies so that they could conn enough congressdroids to vote for it.
 
woolfe9999 said:
Medicaid eligibility requirements vary from state to state. He did apparently try to work the system:

Strapped for cash, Verone looked into filing for disability. He applied for early Social Security.

The only thing Verone qualified for was food stamps. The extra money helped, but he felt desperate. He needed to get medical attention, and he refused to be a burden on his sister and brothers.
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That's might benevolent of him - he didn't want to be a burden on his own family, but he's happy to take from the rest of us! Entitlement mentality FTL.
 
Generator said:
Once you get sick, you get fired, you lose your home, you lose your insurance, and you lose your life.
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I don't know what crappy ass companies you've worked for in your life. I had a coworker that fought colon cancer for 3 1/2 years and the company didn't fire him, nor did the insurance company didn't drop his coverage. He paid the max out of pocket ($2,000/year) for those 3 1/2 years and the insurance covered the rest.
 
dmcowen674 said:
He may be crazy but you are paying for him.
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Actually not, jail still costs money. Generally $25+ per day, that is often not forgiven. Also the medical care he runs up past the bare minimum he will have to pay for. Should he not be able to afford optional care he will get the same service he would have being outside of jail i.e. can't be refused for emergency care.

There is a reason he is in the position he is in, he's just not not very smart.
 
Apparently Verone is hoping for a three-year sentence figuring he'll then be able to collect Social Security when he gets out. Also, he's already spoken to a realtor and plans to purchase a condo on the beach in Myrtle Beach.​


And he apparently didn't know about the free healthcare offered in his county ([URL="http://www.gfhs.info/gfhs.php)....perhaps"]http://www.gfhs.info/gfhs.php)....perhaps[/URL] he has too much money to qualify since he has enough money to consider purchasing a prime piece of beachfront real estate.​

Just another "victim" of a broken healthcare system.
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So sad.​

MSM news reporting rocks!​
 
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soulcougher73 said:
Who mentioned zero cost? People who support UHC know it will cost us in taxes. Its a price we are willing to pay.
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Math and logic not your strong suit?

Government medical spending already accounts for 50% of all medical expenditures in this country. Proponents of UCH say that other countries spend half of what we spend per citizen. That means that governments here in the USare already spending the same amount per citizen that other countries with UHC spend while only covering 15% of the population for that same cost. So unless the US government can figure out how to cover the remaining 85% at zero cost we will still spend a lot more than other countries. The problem is not who is running healthcare, the problem is the expectations that we have of healthcare in this country.
 
nonlnear said:
So you're saying that Alan Grayson's HR 4789 never made it to a vote because the Republicans held it up? Try again. The power brokers in the Democrat party simply don't back universal health care - at least not unless it comes at no political cost to themselves. (You know, just like how the Republicans don't back small government unless it comes at no cost to themselves - which is never.)
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Largely, yes. You have a point, but let's be clear, the progressive caucus in the House would pass single-payer. Other Democrats were not so supportive - you can say a number of things about why, from their deciding things like Obama seems to have decided, that the private healthcare and big pharma industries were too powerful and he had to compromise to get a bill passed, to suggesting they aren't that supportive of it; you won't get much argument Obama is pretty corporate-friendly. But it's Republicans who really put the lid on it. Their abuse of the filibuster to require 60 instead of 51 votes caused all kinds of terrible compromises to the bill to be needed.

Obama said he's for it, but because of Republicans, we didn't get to make him prove it.

Of course, there are many Democrats who are not strongly for Medicare for All - and a few even hostile to it - who deserve blame as well.
 
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