Man robs bank to get medical care in jail

[Infohawk]

So your answer to private sector cutting health care benefits to compete with third worlders is for the government to follow suit and add to the number of uninsured?

No, my answer is that tariffs be imposed on third world countries so that if you want to sell something or render services in this country, that you have to be at least in the same ballpark as the US in terms of pay, labor standards, environmental standards, etc. That will increase work which will increase wealth which will pay for medical care, regardless of who's providing it.

 

[nobodyknows]

LOL. Are you really this stupid?

That quote of bobbers is sigworthy.

 

[theeedude]

No, my answer is that tariffs be imposed on third world countries so that if you want to sell something or render services in this country, that you have to be at least in the same ballpark as the US in terms of pay, labor standards, environmental standards, etc. That will increase work which will increase wealth which will pay for medical care, regardless of who's providing it.

Yeah, I guess this guy should have just waited a few decades for tariffs to be imposed and all of that to trickle down to happen instead of doing what he did to get some medical attention

 

[Thump553]

Good ol' American ingenuity in action.

I'd say his plan went a little astray though, as he is in a North Carolina jail instead of a federal one. The feds will provide decent health care, many of the states provide only the bare minimum they can get away with.

 

[Infohawk]

Yeah, I guess this guy should have just waited a few decades for tariffs to be imposed and all of that to trickle down to happen instead of doing what he did to get some medical attention

It wouldn't take decades for jobs to be created as a result of tariffs. But it's true that tariffs probably won't be implemented at all at this point.

In case the public sector should lower its health services to match that of the private sector to avoid these kind of incentives. I'm guessing that you're going on the assumption that his back surgery wouldn't hurt anyone. Unfortunately, the world is not so simple. That money has to come from somewhere at someone else's expense. Your answer really seems to be that we should allocate limited resources to people who choose to commit crimes. (I'm guessing that you think resources could be allocated so that everyone could get the surgery they need but that does not appear to be the case.)

 

[theeedude]

It wouldn't take decades for jobs to be created as a result of tariffs. But it's true that tariffs probably won't be implemented at all at this point.

Yeah, so your "solution" is not realistic at all.

In case the public sector should lower its health services to match that of the private sector to avoid these kind of incentives. I'm guessing that you're going on the assumption that his back surgery wouldn't hurt anyone. Unfortunately, the world is not so simple. That money has to come from somewhere at someone else's expense. Your answer really seems to be that we should allocate limited resources to people who choose to commit crimes. (I'm guessing that you think resources could be allocated so that everyone could get the surgery they need but that does not appear to be the case.)

Of course they should be allocated so that everyone can get the health care they need without having to go to jail for it.
You are the one who thinks they should be allocated so that people like this guy cannot get health care at all. You do realize that without government health care, he would still not be able to see a doctor, and you are fine with it.

 

[Infohawk]

Yeah, so your "solution" is not realistic at all.

I just don't think there's willpower for it our government. You should be able to sympathize with me since you support universal healthcare and that's unlikely to happen in this country anytime soon either.

Of course they should be allocated so that everyone can get the health care they need

That's an extremely simplistic statement that leaves out a lot of details. All health care systems ration care. There are not an unlimited amount of doctors and an unlimited amount of money for care. In Europe, some countries ration with older people. Here, we ration based on income for the working-class, middle-class and rich. But the point is nobody has unlimited health care.

As applied to this case, I don't think it's fair that we use limited resources on people that commit crimes.

 

[soulcougher73]

What kind of house did this guy own? What percentage of his income went to his mortgage? Did he have a reserve emergency fund? Did he have money to pay for his own insurance? What are his assets? At 59 one would hope you have a house that is paid for or some other amount of assets. Likely he never invested a dime instead relying on social security for his retirement.

When I had a period of unemployment and I was the sole bread winner, my family did not go without insurance. granted it was only for 6 weeks and it was crappy insurance, but we were covered in case of any emergencies.

Now this idiot has a criminal record which will make it that much harder to find gainful employment.

While i agree with some of your points. Your thinking is new technically. From his generation people used to have pensions and the company and employer respected each other. Plus you had SS on top of that (not knowing it would be robbed by politicians).

So i can understand why some older people are in tougher situations now because the whole retirement/pension/company cared about you model has changed from when they started working.

 

[BansheeX]

I think the correct "libertarian" viewpoint would be:

(a) Why does this guy not have a rainy day fund? Why do people live there lives by the day without considering all the bad things that can happen at any time: losing your job or getting cancer, for two. Why does such lack of foresight give you the right to steal from your neighbor when the time comes that you need money and forgot to save it yourself?
(b) Insurance is only unaffordable because the burden of government is so hypermassive today. In a country that disables the ability to borrow and print itself into poverty, there's no chance stuff like this happens.

 

[Generator]

A rainy day fund? You fucking rubes!!! LOL

In this country an economic death is death! Every single one of you self-made men is one heart attack away from debilitating poverty. Once you get sick, you get fired, you lose your home, you lose your insurance, and you lose your life. This man literally had no choice but to die like a fucking dog on the side of the road. Yet somehow he found a way...

There is absolutely no reason we all can't use society to achieve unlimited care and still retire on the beach. See that is the thing about you rightwing cocksuckers hate the most. You hate the very idea of society. All your life your neighbor was your enemy. You thought you knew the world that you live in. Its winning and losing. Its right decisions and bad decisions. By god that how life is you say!

Well lets talk about the bad decisions. How about the decisions to make up a fraud of a war? How about the decision to say government doesn't work and sabotaging it to ensure it doesn't? How about the decision to cut a few corners to make a few more million at the cost of the environment at a value that can't even be appraised?

At what point can you morons keep saying we can't afford healthcare for all yet can still spend trillions on to big to fail, military welfare, and crony capitalism? We can afford theft, greed, and lies but not health?

 

[SagaLore]

I don't understand the point of the article or this thread. I don't see where it says he was denied medicaid.

 

[Infohawk]

There is absolutely no reason we all can't use society to achieve unlimited care and still retire on the beach.

This is just about the most naive thing I've read on this board today.

Even in Europe they don't have unlimited care and retirees often live humble lives not in beach communities. There is no such thing as unlimited anything. The question is where we want to allocate resources, not what fantasies we want to play out.

 

[theeedude]

I just don't think there's willpower for it our government. You should be able to sympathize with me since you support universal healthcare and that's unlikely to happen in this country anytime soon either.




That's an extremely simplistic statement that leaves out a lot of details. All health care systems ration care. There are not an unlimited amount of doctors and an unlimited amount of money for care. In Europe, some countries ration with older people. Here, we ration based on income for the working-class, middle-class and rich. But the point is nobody has unlimited health care.

As applied to this case, I don't think it's fair that we use limited resources on people that commit crimes.

If he didn't commit a crime, he wouldn't be getting any health care, period.
Unlike what you may be thinking, the problem is not that people who commit a crime get health care, it's that we have people who don't commit a crime who can't get any. Your kind of mentality is going to turn US into a third world country, where no one but the very wealthy can get health care.

 

[dmcowen674]

In this country an economic death is death! Every single one of you self-made men is one heart attack away from debilitating poverty. Once you get sick, you get fired, you lose your home, you lose your insurance, and you lose your life. This man literally had no choice but to die like a fucking dog on the side of the road. Yet somehow he found a way...

See that is the thing about you rightwing cocksuckers hate the most.

You hate the very idea of society.

All your life your neighbor was your enemy.

You thought you knew the world that you live in. Its winning and losing. Its right decisions and bad decisions. By god that how life is you say!

Well lets talk about the bad decisions. How about the decisions to make up a fraud of a war? How about the decision to say government doesn't work and sabotaging it to ensure it doesn't? How about the decision to cut a few corners to make a few more million at the cost of the environment at a value that can't even be appraised?

At what point can you morons keep saying we can't afford healthcare for all yet can still spend trillions on to big to fail, military welfare, and crony capitalism? We can afford theft, greed, and lies but not health?

:thumbsup:

 

[Craig234]

nm

 

[dmcowen674]

If he didn't commit a crime, he wouldn't be getting any health care, period.
Unlike what you may be thinking, the problem is not that people who commit a crime get health care, it's that we have people who don't commit a crime who can't get any. Your kind of mentality is going to turn US into a third world country, where no one but the very wealthy can get health care.

By god, it took ten years but people are finally getting it.

My posts were not in vain.

Can't claim total success yet but I'm sure many seers died without actually seeing what they forethought happen.

 

[Infohawk]

If he didn't commit a crime, he wouldn't be getting any health care, period.
Unlike what you may be thinking, the problem is not that people who commit a crime get health care, it's that we have people who don't commit a crime who can't get any. Your kind of mentality is going to turn US into a third world country, where no one but the very wealthy can get health care.

My mentality isn't causing anything. I'm trying to be realistic in a situation where the US doesn't have unlimited resources and doesn't have universal health care. At least in Europe, it's not only the poorest and most criminal that get the public goodies, it's everyone getting a similar level of care (except maybe the elderly with some conditions).

 

[Infohawk]

By god, it took ten years but people are finally getting it.

My posts were not in vain.

Can't claim total success yet but I'm sure many seers died without actually seeing what they forethought happen.

Jeebus you are insecure. Why are you so desperate to see yourself as some internet oracle? I really doubt Senseamp's positions are a result of your posts.

 

[theeedude]

My mentality isn't causing anything. I'm trying to be realistic in a situation where the US doesn't have unlimited resources

There is no shortage of resources. We spend twice as much resources as countries that provide all of their citizens with reasonably good health care.

and doesn't have universal health care. At least in Europe, it's not only the poorest and most criminal that get the public goodies, it's everyone getting a similar level of care (except maybe the elderly with some conditions).

Sounds like you have identified both the problem and the solution, now you just need to realize that.

 

[Infohawk]

There is no shortage of resources. We spend twice as much resources as countries that provide all of their citizens with reasonably good health care.

Sounds like you have identified both the problem and the solution, now you just need to realize that.

We're really just going around in circles. I'm saying if the economy was stronger this would not be an issue. You're saying that if universal health care was implemented this would not be an issue. A much strong economy or universal health care aren't going to happen any time soon.

I'm saying within the actual context we're working in that prisoner / medicare health care has to come back to reality so people don't have incentives to be unemployed or go to prison. Do I wish that were the case no? But I'm not hiding my head in the sand like you are.

 

[BoberFett]

There is no shortage of resources. We spend twice as much resources as countries that provide all of their citizens with reasonably good health care.

As I already pointed out, government already spends half of this country's yearly health care expenditures to cover a mere 15% of the population. Do you really think they can provide it at zero cost to the other 85%?

So with those facts in mind, is government is the problem or the solution?

 

[Doppel]

Jeebus you are insecure. Why are you so desperate to see yourself as some internet oracle? I really doubt Senseamp's positions are a result of your posts.

He's not insecure at all. Just don't question him or call him out on his bullsh*t or else you might get put on his ignore list. Like I said, not insecure at all.

 

[bfdd]

A man going to jail to get medical care isn't a "personal tragedy". It's a national failure. :thumbsdown:

I agree, we need to cut back our spending on prisons and prisoners and divert that to education and health care services for our non-criminals.

Craig, lol @ your centrists bullshit. We should have cheaper and more accessible health care, we should also cut back on prison spending. When you and your ilk decide to come up with a decent health care proposal which won't further bankrupt our nation or lead to the government constantly trying to step into our personal lives to control how healthy we are, I'll back it. I have solutions that could probably help pay for it, but you'll scream they're unfair to the poor while the "other side" will scream that I'm trying to screw the rich.

 

[Fern]

I don't understand the point of the article or this thread. I don't see where it says he was denied medicaid.

Yes.

Moreover, he could have sought treatment and just run up the bills. Then you later declare bankruptcy, and even if not there won't be any withholding on SS. The court won't force you below the poverty line. If they did you then qualify for even more gov $'s.

I have a friend who is about this guy's age and he has a severe medical condition. Even though he is middle class the hospital deeply discounts, and I mean deeply, his HC costs. They have also tapped into charities that help people for HC they can't really afford. He pays almost nothing out of his own pocket.

This guy just doesn't know how to play the game or hasn't bothered investigating what help is available.

Fern

 

[theeedude]

As I already pointed out, government already spends half of this country's yearly health care expenditures to cover a mere 15% of the population. Do you really think they can provide it at zero cost to the other 85%?

We can use the government's bargaining power to spend less on Medicare, and use the savings to cover everyone. It's not rocket surgery, every other developed country has done this. Also, you seem shocked that the elderly cost more per capita to provide health care for? Are your mental faculties really in such a sorry state? It's disappointing.

So with those facts in mind, is government is the problem or the solution?

Solution, obviously, since other countries with government provided health care are spending half of what we are to get better results.