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Man 'on neighborhood watch' kills 20-year-old outside home

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LOL at you morons doing exactly what the prosecutor asked you NOT to do, which is to draw conclusions based on lack of evidence.

People already jumping in the "he was right" and "he was wrong" camps. You're morons and what is wrong with this country.

Oh and you're doing this based on a news report. Not anything which has been said in court. Bozos.
 
Zaap said:
*Checks to see if I'm on the jury....*


Why, no. No, I'm not.

^ Fuck off, it's an online forum and people actually express opinions on things.
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Hey, Fuck off you too, idiot. That was my opinion, don't like it - well there's the first option. Fuck off.
 
I certainly won't jump to conclusions based on news reports, we've seen how ridiculous and terrible those can be. If the information is accurate, that he shot the guy from inside his house through the window, then he's (rightfully) looking at life in prison. The only way I could see to possibly justify shooting at that point is if someone has a gun and aims it at you through the window and you decide to defend by shooting first. Even then, a reasonable person would have ducked for cover etc, not started blasting through the window. Again, we don't have all the info, but based on what is reported it certainly looks like the shooter needs to be be in jail for murder.
 
There is a party two houses down (aka party at your neighbors house)

"a bunch of (people) out here racing...There's (people) out here racing up and down the street." (aka cars exceeding the speed limit on your street)
"I am locked and loaded,...We're going to secure our neighborhood." (by going outside and enforcing traffic law)
 
Art&Science said:
LOL at you morons doing exactly what the prosecutor asked you NOT to do, which is to draw conclusions based on lack of evidence.

People already jumping in the "he was right" and "he was wrong" camps. You're morons and what is wrong with this country.

Oh and you're doing this based on a news report. Not anything which has been said in court. Bozos.
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According to the article, there is more than sufficient physical evidence to reasonably conclude that he fired from inside his house, through a closed window, and hit someone in the street. And that's not self defense under any legal definition.
 
Art&Science said:
LOL at you morons doing exactly what the prosecutor asked you NOT to do, which is to draw conclusions based on lack of evidence.

People already jumping in the "he was right" and "he was wrong" camps. You're morons and what is wrong with this country.

Oh and you're doing this based on a news report. Not anything which has been said in court. Bozos.
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If you followed your own advice, you wouldn't post your garbage at all then. Idiot
 
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It's our collective duty (and destiny!) to do this and I won't be seen as one condoning of us shirking our responsibilities.

Backstory appears to be this, if you don't want to read the articles:
  1. There's a party somewhere in Raleigh, N.C., a certain Kouren-Rodney Bernard Thomas was in attendance.
  2. Thomas and a friend decided to leave the party due to low female attendance.
  3. In the vicinity of said party lives Chad Cameron Copley, an apparently very frightened/excitable individual, if these early facts are to be believed.
  4. Alarmed at the apparent "several dozen" armed "hoodlums ... racing up and down the street" near his property, Copley calls 911. During the call he alerts the dispatcher that he was "locked and loaded" and was about to go "outside to secure my neighborhood." Before hanging up he left a warning that "If I were you, I’d send P.D. as quickly as possible."
  5. Stuff happens.
  6. Seven minutes later, the Copleys re-dial 911 to inform them that he "yelled at them 'please leave the premises" was shown a firearm, prompting him to fire a warning shot and that "uh, we got somebody that got hit."
As expected, the other side proclaims there were no firearms and, perplexingly, no profanity. It seems a bit of a stretch to say there was no profanity but, hey, it's their story and not mine.

Things don't look good for our friend, Copley. On the night of the shooting he seemed to commit himself to one bad decision after another. I'll recount them.

He decided to handle the situation himself.
In a situation like this, which is nothing more than disturbing the peace, you don't get "locked and loaded" to can "secure my neighborhood." With the firepower and wide scope for violence and authority the police have you leave it to them. Deciding to "decline" in any way to provide an address is beyond stupid. He had it right in calling the police and he should have stopped his involvement there.

You don't fire warning shots.
Despite the NRA's insistence, guns are for killing things. Gun kills people. They're excellent at it and, therefore, you should only fire them when you need to kill something. What you don't do is fire a "warning shot" from a shotgun in the direction another human being.

He seemed to be (or turned out to be) entirely safe
It's noteworthy that the shot that killed Thomas was fire from inside Copely's garage, shattering a glass pane. I know glass and garage doors aren't indestructible but I'm wondering exactly how threatened he really was from inside his garage. I also wonder how they could have heard him from in their with all their supposed shouting.

I don't much understand the final part of the timeline, to be honest. He went outside, spoke with the "black males outside my freaking house with firearms" and asked them to leave, was shown firearms... then? So far, he's the only one reported to have had fired shots, so... ? He escaped to his garage and shot through a window? Did he never leave the garage? There were no firearms?

Police have already arrested Copley on murder charges. 2nd degree murder may not be pushing it in this case as Copley's behavior was beyond simply reckless. Going into a situation you believe to be very dangerous with a gun entails some element of responsibility if you are leaving comments like "If I were you, I’d send P.D. as quickly as possible."

A murder which shall be perpetrated by means of a nuclear, biological, or chemical weapon of mass destruction as defined in G.S. 14-288.21, poison, lying in wait, imprisonment, starving, torture, or by any other kind of willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing, or which shall be committed in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of any arson, rape or a sex offense, robbery, kidnapping, burglary, or other felony committed or attempted with the use of a deadly weapon shall be deemed to be murder in the first degree, a Class A felony...
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A murder other than described in subsection (a) of this section or in G.S. 14-23.2 shall be deemed second degree murder.

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(1) The malice necessary to prove second degree murder is based on an inherently dangerous act or omission, done in such a reckless and wanton manner as to manifest a mind utterly without regard for human life and social duty and deliberately bent on mischief.
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In addition to discussion on people's feeling on the shooting itself, I'm curious about people's perception on this case in relation to "Trayvon 1.0." Zimmerman was only reluctantly arrested a month after the shooting. Copley was arrested immediately. Does this reflect a change in the way police respond to homicides? Is it justice, a move towards political correctness or do two facially similar points (one of which isn't quite baked yet) not constitute data?

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CBS, NYT and FOX all have articles available.

First and Second Degree Murder definitions in NC can be found here [PDF].

Unfortunately, I'm in public and forgot my headphones so I can't listen to the calls myself right now but they can be found here.

Please forgive my liberal use of quotes.
 
SheHateMe said:
He shot the guy from his garage.

If he doesn't go to prison, don't get mad if somebody retaliates.
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I'm trying to recall how supportive you were of the Dallas shooter.
Given the vibes presented here.

As for this topic, not much to say. The articles detail a slam dunk conviction.
 
Rhonda the Sly said:
In addition to discussion on people's feeling on the shooting itself, I'm curious about people's perception on this case in relation to "Trayvon 1.0." Zimmerman was only reluctantly arrested a month after the shooting. Copley was arrested immediately. Does this reflect a change in the way police respond to homicides? Is it justice, a move towards political correctness or do two facially similar points (one of which isn't quite baked yet) not constitute data?
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No. It doesn't represent political correctness. Charging Zimmerman was an attempt at some sort of political correctness. The only two elements that are similar is that a black person was shot by a non-black person who had anything to do with a neighborhood watch. Though, this story is slightly similar to the false narrative that was created surrounding the Trayvon/Zimmerman case that was proven false during the trial - but oddly, a significant portion of the population seems to have had that false narrative imprinted in their head than the actual facts in the case:

Read the wikipedia article on it. It has all the facts. If you also read legal analysis online, you'll see that it was a political attempt to railroad Zimmerman, yet he still prevailed at trial.
 
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DrPizza said:
Read the wikipedia article on it. It has all the facts. If you also read legal analysis online, you'll see that it was a political attempt to railroad Zimmerman, yet he still prevailed at trial.
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It baffles me how anyone thinks the wikipedia article sets anything straight as far as Zimmerman not being an asshole who STARTED the altercation in which Trayvon ended up dead.

Not to turn this into that subject, but please.

Read the account of the incident. Keep in mind it has nothing to do with whatever previously went on in the neighborhood. Also keep in mind Zimmerman is just some neighborhood watch DIPSHIT, such a title carries all the weight of Hall Monitor. NOTHING he says in the report of the incident is anything he's qualified to make a judgement of, or in any way qualified to 'enforce any law' over.

Trayvon runs away- at which case the entire incident should have ended, but dipshit Zimmerman follows him, something he had no fucking business on this earth doing. He says shit like "these assholes always get away!" indicating he's basing things on previous incidents, and is holding some sort of grudge.

He 'loses sight" of Martin, follows him- he instigates the ENTIRE encounter that should have NEVER fucking happened.

Far as I'm concerned, it was self defense on Martin's part to defend himself against an armed asshole following him around, and clearly spoiling for an altercation. The prick SHOULD be in jail if there were any justice.

People act like some bulshit hall-monitor title entitled Zimmerman to chase a person he didn't know from Adam around the neighborhood- Zimmerman armed, the other person not- lose the person (ie NO threat what-so-ever at that point) go find him again, start an altercation, and then kill the person claiming self-defense. The whole incident is pure chickenshit.

It amazes me people still defend that bonehead Zimmerman who IMO got away with murder, basically.
 
Zaap said:
People act like some bulshit hall-monitor title entitled Zimmerman to chase a person he didn't know from Adam around the neighborhood- Zimmerman armed, the other person not- lose the person (ie NO threat what-so-ever at that point) go find him again, start an altercation, and then kill the person claiming self-defense. The whole incident is pure chickenshit.
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I didn't realize approaching someone was worthy of being beaten for 30 seconds straight (assuming Zimmerman did confront Martin, which doesn't seem to be the case).
 
Zaap said:
It baffles me how anyone thinks the wikipedia article sets anything straight as far as Zimmerman not being an asshole who STARTED the altercation in which Trayvon ended up dead.
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I didn't actually read the Wikipedia link - I read the court transcripts and several accounts written by legal experts. So, I'm not sure if the wikipedia article mentions that Trayvon confronted Zimmerman, not the other way around (according to the prosecution testimony), Trayvon hit Zimmerman first (prosecution testimony and physical evidence), and Trayvon was smashing Zimmerman's head into the ground (physical evidence, eye witnesses). Further, I'm not sure if the Wikipedia article mentioned that Zimmerman was responsible for criminals being caught in the neighborhood. I'd prefer if MY neighbors reported suspicious activity around my house; not sure about you from your comments. And, I'm not sure if the wikipedia article mentions that Zimmerman was returning home with 2/3 of the ingredients to make lean to get high on - something he bragged about doing. Or if the wikipedia article mentioned DeeDee's testimony that he was going to teach the "cracka" a lesson. Or if the wikipedia article mentioned that Trayvon bragged about beating people up just to see them bleed, and had recently beat up a homeless man. Or, if the wikipedia article mentioned that Trayvon had been caught with stolen goods (which adds credibility to Zimmerman's statements about suspicious activity). Zimmerman is an asshole, but broke no laws and was trying to help his neighborhood. Trayvon decided the "cracker" needed to be taught a lesson. That lesson backfired.

The Trayvon/Zimmerman case was nothing like the current case where the shooter took a "locked and loaded" attitude and indicated he was going to confront those outside with his gun.
 
A gun nutters wet dream, finally able to use his ole gun! At least his butthole is about be secured real good in prison.
 
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