Man dum MS has to do this. Well i think this will destory themselfs with Windows Product Activation on Windows XP.

[WyteWatt]

hi this article (http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6387054.html?tag=tp_pr) i just read isnt sounding goof for the Windows Product Activation on Windows XP. It is not seeming to make me happy at all.

i am very angry. I want to beable to change hardware without worry.

I think my final answer for Windows XP will be No To Windows XP period even if it fixes all of VIA chipset problems , is better than win2k , more stable than linux , anything you name it.

Because i know it wont be more stable than linux and about the same stabilty as win2k but even if its a little more stable thats ok i will stay with win2k for a longggggg time. and if i cant then i am straight to linux to learn the linux world till MS is destoryed and a new OS is created. I dont think MS will change this Product Activation because they care a less about consumers.

And a subscription program for Windows XP and office XP maybe soon thats jsut not right. I want to own it not rent it. Thats crazy , dum , and stupiod to do. MS will kill there stock.

That means like they said in the article if its a subscription program and if you dont pay the yearly charge then they can cut you off your computer as easily as the the electricity being turned off when u dont pay your bill. Thats just crazy.

i will for sure go to linux if i got to do that subscription program.

MS is getting very greedy and how much more rich does Bill gates got to be ? He can live 100 lives if not more really well. He can buy anything he wants with all that money. If i had a OS like windows i would never do something like this cause that is sudden death to the company i think. Even if they think they are the only easy OS out there. We always got macs even thou i rather a pc, or we got linux , sorta BeOS , etc
I have had it with MS down to the last straw. This is just crazy of what they are going to do. They are so greedy.

Thanks

 

[AaronP]

yeah, I already linked to that anger causing article. I don't worry though, the haX0r community won't let us down.

 

[Psychoholic]

<< yeah, I already linked to that anger causing article. I don't worry though, the haX0r community won't let us down. >>


It's people like you and the &quot;haX0r&quot; community that caused this to happen.

 

[AaronP]

I suppose you always rooted for the Sheriff of Nottingham when you watched the Disney Robin Hood cartoon when you were little.

 

[WyteWatt]

AaronP so you still going to Windows XP ?
i am not because there is no way you can get rid of the subscription program per a year charge like renting the OS.
thats unhackable.
you got to pay or no OS
or computer inless you use a older windows or differenet OS.
so there is no way out with Windows XP if it becomes subscription based when it first comes out or does soon after.
so its not looking good at all

 

[lucidguy]

Hacking Windows XP to disable activation is not the answer here. By hacking Windows XP, you will be breaking the law, the DMCA in particular.

If you pay God knows how many hundreds of dollars for a product, the least you are entitled to is to get good use out of the product without having to break the law.

If activation is unappealing or scary to you for whatever reason, make the only reasonable choice: Do not buy XP, and do not buy computers that are preinstalled with XP. Build your own, or buy computers from OEM's who sell bare machines without preinstalled OS'es. Don't let friends buy XP, and don't let them buy computers that are preinstalled with XP. Encourage them to buy from OEM's who sell bare machines without preinstalled OS'es. On these machines, either install previous versions of Windows, or better yet, install Linux.

Alternatively, take your business to merchants who sell PCs with preinstalled Linux, such as VA Linux. These merchants sell the highest quality hardware that Linux supports 100%, and the OS will come preconfigured with all drivers and settings taken care of.

 

[flyers1]

Well, I've been putting off going to Linux 100% for some time now. Looks like this might be alittle more motivation to find replacements for some Windows apps.

Although, if you don't upgrade to XP, you don't really have to worry about it. Considering it is supposed to be the same as Win2k with a fancy new GUI and some other features, maybe it's really not worth it.

I know I won't be going to XP and from the sounds of things, alot of other people won't be either. Change is a good thing...right?

 

[WyteWatt]

i wish everyone could boycott windows xp but that aint happens cause people will buy windows xp no matter what i do or we do because MS is the only main OS seller than has a easy user friendly OS mainly
But maybe we can make it not sell as well as any other windows in history!
Hey what if we buy a laptop how do we not get windows xp on it?
if i had to buy a laptop with windows xp on it i would just format the HD then install 98 or 2000 i think.

And even if you get a version of windows xp without the product activation the corpotate version you still got the subscription program to deal with which could start when windows xp ships or soon after
who knows when it will start for office xp.
already started in other counties and soon it will be here too and i think that will hurt MS a wholeeee lot.

 

[WyteWatt]

flyers1 true but i bet MS will try to make people upgrade to Windows XP. But windows 2000 has a long way to go till they stop supporting it.
win98 and windows me alittle longer but not as long as windows 2000.

 

[WyteWatt]

but hey i will still use win2k even if it isnt supported no more by MS. it doesnt matter. it can be supported or not supported. i dont give a care. Doesnt change my mind one bit.
look at how many people are still using windows 95. Its still ok to use i think but i like win2k the best.

 

[BreakApart]

<< AaronP said:
I suppose you always rooted for the Sheriff of Nottingham when you watched the Disney Robin Hood cartoon when you were little. >>




OMG, that is the funniest thing i have seen in a long while! Thx AaronP...

I can just see Psychoholic cheering for the sheriff-> Go Sheriff kill those evil do-gooders!

lololololololol....

 

[Psychoholic]

<< I suppose you always rooted for the Sheriff of Nottingham when you watched the Disney Robin Hood cartoon when you were little. >>


No, I just know that the attitude you portray is what causes piracy in the first place. Therefore a company has to find a way to prevent it. Piracy is not tied to how much money a company makes.

 

[Psychoholic]

<< I can just see Psychoholic cheering for the sheriff-> Go Sheriff kill those evil do-gooders! >>


Of course I was pulling for Darth Maul in Episode 1. Does that count????

 

[WyteWatt]

well the biggest thing that i am really hating is the dum subscription program that will start sooner or later.
That i do not like one bit for MS to beable to turn my computer off and to not work. I dont want to rent any OS i want to buy it one time.
thats just crazy.

 

[AaronP]

If I buy a copy of WinXP legally, I'll hack it if I damn well want, who the hell is M$ to tell me what I can and can't do with my own property.

I will ONLY buy XP if there is a good working hack for the activation feature.

 

[lucidguy]

<< Hey what if we buy a laptop how do we not get windows xp on it? >>



Tuxtops sells laptops with Linux preinstalled. A number of Transmeta subnotebooks, made by Casio, Toshiba and Sony, come with Linux preinstalled, but these are mostly released in Japan. They should become more widely available in the US in the 3rd and 4th quarters of 2001. IBM has at least one laptop model with Linux preinstalled, probably more will be made available in the coming months.

We cannot appeal to the Best Buy / Circuit City crowd and convince them to stay away from XP, but we can appeal to the Anandtech crowd. These people are influential technology buyers. They are very often early adopters of technology, and friends and colleagues turn to them for support and advice. If every Anandtecher convinces 4 friends to stay away from XP, and each friend convinces 4 other friends, eventually Microsoft will go bankrupt. Even if this doesn't come to pass, XP adoption rates will be noticeably impacted. The early adopter crowd can give advice to even larger crowds through messageboards just like this one, or Usenet, or product review sites such as Epinions. There really is no shortage of ways to warn people about the dangers of adopting XP.

 

[WyteWatt]

Psychoholic u will like the subscription program for a yearly charge?
or having to call MS everytime you change hardware?
because i build my own computers

 

[AaronP]

no, Darth Maul was the only character in the whole movie who I DIDN'T want to die. God, that movie sucked on so many levels. Between Windows XP, and The Phantom Menace, there is enough suckage to last us all about 30 years.

 

[WyteWatt]

AaronP and what about the subscription program per a year payment?
you cant do anything about that.

 

[skace]

<< It's people like you and the &quot;haX0r&quot; community that caused this to happen. >>



Thats funny but it has already been made blatently clear that the activation is a joke to get around and certain versions won't even have it at all (enterprise versions and whatnot). So hacking it will be like hacking anything else and you wonder why people have suspicions as to why this feature is REALLY there.

If they had wanted to break the hacking community, they would have set something up like a WON server. Example: When you are online with WinXP it sends a request for your product key and then checks if more than 2 people are using currently, if it is being used it disables the OS. Sounds harsh eh? Yes. But it wouldn't require any information about the client and video games have been using it for awhile now effectively. And what would they do about offline computers? nothing! because most of the hackers are online and hitting the ones online would hurt more than trying to hit those offline. But as it is, they added a half ass attempt that is going to easily be cracked by anyone intelligent - meaning it is only targeted for the uninformed. Why would they target activation process for the uninformed? hmmmm, so many questions. Also, something like a WON validation process would have killed the most popular product keys, which their is usually like a list of 20 or 30 that most people warezing a product will all get their key from.

If you do not know what I am talking about with WON. I am talking about WON.net - they do the validating process for half-life multiplayer, which keeps people from all using the same key.

 

[WyteWatt]

skace and you will go with the subscription program paying yearly for the OS you rent?
i dont like this subscription program idea at all.

 

[AaronP]

I actually don't think the subscription, per year payment thing will happen with XP, maybe the next version of Windows, but not this one.

What bugs me most of all is the damn inconvenience. I am a nutjob, and I like to format and reinstall Windows about once every 4 months.

I also upgrade hardware a lot and I WILL NOT bow down before them and take it in the butt and have to call them all the time.

 

[WyteWatt]

There is no way to hide from the subscription program when using
windows xp whenever it becomes used for it.

 

[WyteWatt]

AaronP i format and reinstall a lot too and change hardware.
i build my own computers so it will be a problem for me
its so terrible.
but hey thats what linux is there for hehe.

 

[lucidguy]

Subscription will not appeal to consumers.

It will appeal to corporations because they already pay through the nose for licensing - with software-as-a-service, at least they won't have to deal with installation, maintenance and upgrade hassles.

Microsoft will do a hard-sell on subscriptions because their days as a software vendor are numbered. They cannot compete with Linux's $0 price point.

This hard-sell will drive even more people to Linux.

Haha.