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Man dies in fire sparked by police flash grenade

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40945607/ns/us_news/

GREENFIELD, Calif. — Police in California say a man was killed after officers threw a flash grenade into a house during a raid while looking for another man who was suspected in a shooting.

The Monterey County coroner tells the Salinas Californian that 31-year-old Rogelio Serrato was the victim of a fire started Wednesday by a diversionary flash grenade used by police.

Monterey police raided the Greenfield house in their search for 23-year-old Alejandro Jose Gonzalez, whom they were seeking in connection with a New Year's Day shooting.

Police say Gonzalez was not in the house and is still at large.

Officers say they tried to coax Serrato out of the house for hours before throwing the grenade.

Neighbors gathered and prayed as officials removed his body from the house.
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what's up with these cops these days? consider the guy collateral damage.
 
Well the dude is collateral damage. Sucks, but this isn't even close to being the worst thing posted recently that has to do with cops.
 
Sad. I saw this recently as well:

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/01/06/family-of-retired-t-worker-killed-in-raid-wants-answers/

FRAMINGHAM (CBS) – The family of a 68-year-old Framingham grandfather killed early Wednesday by a bullet from a SWAT officer’s gun said they want to know exactly how it happened and are considering legal action.

“The way this thing went about is killing everyone in my family,” said Marlon Stamps, the dead man’s son.

As a cleanup crew from Aftermath, Inc. worked at the scene, daily life flowed past the Fountain Street apartment where Eurie Stamps, a retired T employee, lost his when the Framingham Police SWAT team executed a search warrant of which Stamps was not the target.

His family says police threw a flash grenade through a front first-floor window that landed near his bedroom door and startled him before he was killed with a police bullet through his neck. “I even saw my father’s bloody fingerprints on the kitchen table, which means after they shot him. He must have tried to drag himself or walk himself out the door,” said Marlon Stamps.
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SpunkyJones said:
They tried to coax him out of the house for hours? I'm not seeing a issue with the cops on this one.
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Uhm it wasn't their house and the guy that was actually in it did no wrong and wasn't the guy they were after?

Right to protect oneself and ones private property from unlawful tyranny?

At least they were looking for a shooting suspect and not a bag of weed.
 
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ShawnD1 said:
I refuse to click the article link, but the article quoted in the OP makes no sense. Police throw a grenade in your house, it starts a fire, and you neither put it out OR call the fire department OR get out of the house? !?!?!


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What, does the article contain too many big words for you?
 
exdeath said:
Uhm it wasn't their house and the guy that was actually in it did no wrong and wasn't the guy they were after?

Right to protect oneself and ones private property from unlawful tyranny?
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Fail. Had he simply exited the house, spoken with the officers, the situation would have been resolved on the scene with a few phone calls and computer queries. He'd have gone back inside within a short time to go back about his own affairs.
 
Bateluer said:
Fail. Had he simply exited the house, spoken with the officers, the situation would have been resolved on the scene with a few phone calls and computer queries. He'd have gone back inside within a short time to go back about his own affairs.
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Once you leave your house you lose protection from search and seizure, castle laws and the 4th amendment. This man paid for his liberty with his life, a true patriot. It's sad and shows once again why the 2nd amendment is so damn important.

If pigs got a warrant this would not have happened and they could legally enter the private property. Fucking pigs.
 
CitizenKain said:
What, does the article contain too many big words for you?
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The link is to msnbc which is the liberal's reply to fox news. I'm worried it will use my facebook cookies then say something like "shawn has read this gay liberal article" in my status and then my friends will stop loving me.
 
SandEagle said:
proof? i never bashed cops. i merely provide public service announcements to current events, which happen to involve cops. i hoped u would wise up a bit in 2011
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i'm not going to link your last ten threads, but the majority have that common denominator.

i'm not saying the articles aren't true, but they all are bad cop stories.
 
moshquerade said:
i'm not going to link your last ten threads, but the majority have that common denominator.

i'm not saying the articles aren't true, but they all are bad cop stories.
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Because cops aren't appreciated when they are doing a service to the people, however it is the duty of the citizenry to denounce tyranny in any form.

Just like people don't bitch about green lights, only red ones. If things go the way they should, it's nothing extraordinary worth writing about. It's like wanting a cookie for something you are supposed to do.

If you want to see good stories of cops beating the shit out of people who deserve it, watch those Cops or Greatest Police Chases type shows 🙂

PS: the only "criminal" in my mind is someone who willfully violates the free will of another person, not what the media tells me or what a politically biased individual signed on a piece of paper. Elections, democracy, rule of law, etc I don't care, just because 51 out of 100 people voted for a guy who signed a bill doesn't make it right to keep blacks as slaves, etc, etc. Law is often abused and isn't always what is right.
 
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spidey07 said:
Once you leave your house you lose protection from search and seizure, castle laws and the 4th amendment. This man paid for his liberty with his life, a true patriot. It's sad and shows once again why the 2nd amendment is so damn important.

If pigs got a warrant this would not have happened and they could legally enter the private property. Fucking pigs.
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This is pure gold. 😀
 
Here's an article that sucks a bit less. I'm confused about their use of the flash grenade. The purpose of the device is to temporarily disorient the suspect so the officers can quickly and safely enter the home, but it sounds like they tossed it in and then just sat around based on the "matter of minutes" timeline.

However, I am very loathe to place blame on the police at this point. They apparently had a valid warrant and the victim refused several hours' worth of lawful orders to surrender. Plenty of departments would have simply used a no-knock or "knock-and-announce" (i.e. knock on the door and then break it down if the victim doesn't open it within five seconds) warrant and stormed the house like criminal thugs. These guys deserve credit for doing some actual police work and attempting to end the situation peacefully.
 
SandEagle said:
proof? i never bashed cops. i merely provide public service announcements to current events, which happen to involve cops. i hoped u would wise up a bit in 2011
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Yet no threads on any of the 162 officers who died in the line of duty last year? Or did I miss them?
 
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