Man denied $5 million lottery win

[Red Squirrel]

You keep comparing winning non-money prizes in these games to winning money via gambling.

The lottery and gambling in general is about money. Playing claw games and pog you are winning stuffed animals and more pogs.

Next you guys are going to say carnival games are a form of gambling.

That does not change the fact that you are putting money towards the chance of getting a reward. It's just semantics whether it's money or not and just randomly defined at some point when they made these laws. The concept of putting money into a game in the hopes of winning something is more or less the same idea whatever the prize is. If a kid is able to spend $20's of dollars on carnival games, why is it suddenly a huge issue for a kid to buy a $2 lotto ticket that his dad paid for? Laws can be weird in how they decide to define things. There's no real logic really other than "the law is the law".

 

[interchange]

Is there video of the Dad giving the money to his kid, of the kid giving the tickets to his dad, and the Dad scratching off said tickets? If not, why should the state believe his account?

 

[WaTaGuMp]

We all know the kid bought the ticket, won, then had to talk to dad because he cant get the money being under age.

 

[bigboxes]

We all know the kid bought the ticket, won, then had to talk to dad because he cant get the money being under age.

We all know you're a big doodie head.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

We all know you're a big doodie head.

Be gone noob, this aint no neffing thread.

 

[SteveGrabowski]

Serves him right for being stupid enough to play the lottery in the first place tbh.

 

[bigboxes]

Be gone noob, this aint no neffing thread.

You got me by eleven months. Foo.

 

[WaTaGuMp]

You got me by eleven months. Foo.

Banned for talking back, get out.

 

[bigboxes]

Banned for talking back, get out.

GET. IN. MY. BELLY!

 

[ViviTheMage]

I'd be pissed.

 

[bigboxes]

I'd be pissed.

Everyone but Paladin3 (so it seems) would be pissed. Of course, in the real world the State of California just doesn't want to have to pay out the 5 million. Bullshit.

 

[ViviTheMage]

Everyone but Paladin3 (so it seems) would be pissed. Of course, in the real world the State of California just doesn't want to have to pay out the 5 million. Bullshit.

Yeah, and what if that happened during an AT LOTTO

 

[bigboxes]

AT LOTTO!

 

[JEDI]

wait.. what happened to the ticket alone being the bearer instrument?

who ever signs the back of it = the winner

 

[JEDI]

Yeah, and what if that happened during an AT LOTTO

megamillions at $300M.

at what point do we do another AT lotto?
$500M?

 

[bigboxes]

Be gone noob, this aint no neffing thread.

 

[BUTCH1]

Dance and play with words all you want. You must be 18 to buy any kind of California lottery ticket and the kid wasn't. A minor buying age restricted items "for their parents" is a crime. Dad asking his minor child to buy lottery tickets for him is a crime.

Sounds to me like you are one of those people who thinks government is out to cheat folks and you have a hard-on to see California pay out on this illegally purchase lottery scratch ticket. So much so that you are making some idiotic arguments. Go to bed and get a good night's sleep. Maybe in the morning you will be thinking more clearly.

By the letter of the law you are correct, but here in FL they now have scratch-off vending machines EVERYWHERE and it's common for parents+kids to insert $$ and let the kid decide which game(s) to spend it on. Nobody at the location's ever seem concerned about who is using the machine either. I'm sure there is some kind of notification that states you must be 18 to play but with store employees giving zero fuc** it happens on a regular basis. Lotto officials are probably unconcerned since the machine will most certainly photograph every time a ticket is dispensed, and if a big-winner is claimed they will go back, (using the info on the ticket) and see who actually pressed the button. If that person looks like he/she might not be 18, proof of age will be required and payment will be denied. Meanwhile, more+more games get rolled out, we now have "play 2" just recently added, you will see the occasional "play responsibly" reminder while the amount of scratch-off+number pick based games is staggering. Every time an "internet cafe" opened up it was raided + shut down swiftly, I guess they were trying to use some sort of loop-hole in the law. What's LOL is lotto games are the WORST type as far as % of monies paid out and a cash bonanza for the states coffers. Probably explains why any other form of gambling proposed gets shot down quickly. This man will lose his case unless he has evidence of no signage posted somewhere in that store when his teen bought the ticket, but even then I doubt he prevails.

 

[Paladin3]

Everyone but Paladin3 (so it seems) would be pissed. Of course, in the real world the State of California just doesn't want to have to pay out the 5 million. Bullshit.

I'd be pissed, too, if I was stupid enough to let my minor child buy a lottery ticket and he won. I'd be tempted to claim the win myself, or sue as this father did to try and get some money out of someone via settlement. I hope I would feel at least a little guilty because I would know I was legally in the wrong.

It sucks to be the father or son in this story, but I understand the law. California isn't going to set a precedent by paying out a dime on a win when the player was underage. And none of the circumstances of the case would legally obligate them to.

 

[FelixDeCat]

There was an update to this thread back in 2018:

Judge Dismisses Claims Regarding Long Beach Minor’s Winning Scratchers Ticket

A judge yesterday dismissed a Long Beach man’s claims that the state of California and the Lottery Commission wrongfully denied him a $5 million prize after his 16-year-old son bought a winning Scratchers ticket at a service station in 2016. Los Angeles Superior Court Judge Terry Green said the...

lbpost.com

Dismissed as expected.

 

[BUTCH1]

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He didn't "refuse" it, when he went to get paid a California lotto agent reviewed the purchase on video and found out his 16 yr old son had gone in and bought the ticket, he was denied payment on that basis.

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[Captante]

a California lotto agent reviewed the purchase on video and found out his 16 yr old son had gone in and bought the ticket, he was denied payment on that basis.

Wonder if said lotto agent got some kind of payout for saving CA 5 million bucks?

If not they should sue !!!!!!!!!!!!!1!!

 

[spaceman]

well otbs hes avoiding the lottery curse

 

[JEDIYoda]

Totally sucks to lose $5 million over this. My kids often ask if they can stick the bills in lottery machines or push the buttons picking the tickets. I guess that's got to stop.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-lottery-long-beach-lawsuit-20170721-story.html

It will be upheld in court!! The kid was a minor and as such cannot purchase lottery or claim lottery wimmings!!

 

[JEDIYoda]

Does the California State Lottery seek out and refund all the countless losing tickets purchased by minors (for or not for their parents) or do they gleefully pocket the money... Seems they only care about minors illegally purchasing tickets if they are winners...

that has nothing to do with the kuid being a minor,,,,bice try!! The kids dad loses!! The kids dad was too lazy rto go purchase the tickets himself! Serves him right!!

 

[Red Squirrel]

If they were less of assholes they could at very least work something out so that he can't get the money until the kid is of age or something like that. What a kick in the face to lose out on that much money "because the rules are the rules". I remember going to check lotto tickets for my parents as a kid. They'd send me to the corner store to get pop or whatever and give me some tickets to check. We won a couple grand once and nobody batted an eye in the process and my parents got the money. There is probably something in the fine print about a minor handling the tickets in any way but nobody was that stingy. that was probably like 25 years ago mind you. Now days society is more law obsessed.