Man Crushed by Steamroller On Orders of Chinese Officials

[SheHateMe]

Those new iPad Minis look amazing....

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

As the old saying goes, even a person high on PCP wins from time to time.


And it was an effective protest. It reminds me of V for Vendetta (the movie) where a government official shooting a child was the last straw. The oppression needs to be out in the open before people start to revolt.


I'm not thinking he should sue since that obviously won't work. I was thinking more along the lines of murdering government officials, but it might be difficult since China has very tight gun laws. The people would have revolted a long time ago if they were armed to the teeth, like the US was before the revolution.

This is something that I think was truly selfless about our founding fathers. They felt that the common man MUST have the capacity to be armed so that they could revolt against an unjust government, which could have been the founding fathers themselves if things hadn't turned out as they did. From the very beginning they baked in checks and balances into the very fabric of our government. China was never this way - it has always been about figures with ultimate authority.

 

[momeNt]

This is their government. We need to be respectful of that and let them rule over their people as they see fit. At least they aren't anarchists. They still have faith in man's capability to rule their fellow man.

 

[ShawnD1]

Didn't you listen to Obama. "He didn't build it"

If you drive a steam roller, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable Chinese system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a steam roller -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

 

[nehalem256]

If you drive a steam roller, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable Chinese system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet."

And so the government is perfectly entitled to take back what is theirs :awe:

 

[JTsyo]

From what I read and study of the history of china, the most likely situation will be: economic down turn ==>> massive unemployment/hunger/et.==>War ==> uprising.
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Leadership might then try to create an external threat to unite the people.

 

[peonyu]

If it takes a few men to be ran over by steamrollers so that we can get some discounted Ipads, then its all worth it.

 

[Dari]

Hopefully the people of China will get rid of these thugs in power. No red envelope is worth this.

 

[Svnla]

Leadership might then try to create an external threat to unite the people.

No surprise that China is having multiple confrontations with its smaller neighbors right now. From Japan (the small islands in Eas China Sea) to Philippines to Vietnam (multiple small islands and islets in South of China Sea).

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

No surprise that China is having multiple confrontations with its smaller neighbors right now. From Japan (the small islands in Eas China Sea) to Philippines to Vietnam (multiple small islands and islets in South of China Sea).

Yup. Galvanize the populace on some frivolous external bullshit so that they forget about the true bullshit right at home. Of course the government would use this tactic. It's up to the people to be smart enough to see through this, but really, all the cards are in the government's favor. They simply control too much and have too much money, power, influence, and guanxi. I mean, the entire fabric of Chinese society is based on guanxi. Personal relationships. It's just a super tight, self-protecting web of a government.

Like many expats have lamented, you ask a Chinese person to help find a good XYZ employee, and they'll most likely recommend one of their shitty family members. A lot of people have problems with their Chinese HR departments because they get applications only from the people the HR guys have guanxi with.

 

[SheHateMe]

If it takes a few men to be ran over by steamrollers so that we can get some discounted Ipads, then its all worth it.

A visiting scholar from China came into the office today trying to get tech support for her "Lenovo" laptop. Not only was the laptop a fake..but so was the "Windows" operating system. There were telltale signs that this thing wasnt legit. I don't know if it was the weird logo on the windows login screen or the ridiculous looking start menu that set me off. Or maybe it was the fact that all the font was some shady set that I'd only seen on the boxes of generic/knockoff stuff I've purchased from Chinese sellers on ebay.


Everything was fake, but all the stickers and stuff were official. It didn't even have a model number!

I just laughing in my mind and said "what would we do without china?"

 

[Sonikku]

Finally a government not willing to bend to the whim of 99%'s.

 

[Lemon law]

And tell me again, how this is any different from Racheal Corrie in Israel. Well if truth be told, there is a difference between a bull dozer and a road flatterner.

But at least the present and past government of Israel and China share the same time honored doctrines to repress protests. Which are worst on a per capita basis?

But cheer up, both China and Israel, can point to Syria and say don't look at us, look a Syria. Look somewhere any where else while the larger world will not lift a finger to end the brutal regime of Assad.

 

[davmat787]

That's an amazing perspective. When government holds such power and wealth, people do not aspire to serve their countrymen, but to rule them.

Yes sir, reason #572 to keep governments powers in check and of the correct size. Whenever you give a government authority an inch, they take a foot and make you pay for it.

 

[irishScott]

I'm in China now. The Chinese government can seriously go fuck itself.

And fbb disappears in 5, 4, 3...

 

[irishScott]

Yes, wet get it. Now talk about something else.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

This is a tough question to answer. Revolution is a bit unlikely because:

1. The public are not allowed to own guns or weaponry of any kind. Even kitchen knives need to be registered. The government has all the weapons.

Not sure about the BS about kitchen knives. You can buy knives in China no problem at the market. I bought kitchen knives before and took them home to the US. Not sure what you're talking about.

2. The government controls the internet and has power to block whatever they want (ultimate censorship power - and they often use it). Open access to knowledge is harder to come by.

True, but many people know how to get around the Great Firewall. Practically all my friends who studied abroad are on Facebook. Just go look on Facebook how many people are from China. Quite a few.

3. The populous has a big problem with creativity - the education system is just about rote memorization. Expats who ask their Chinese colleagues to come up with creative solutions to things often get met with blank stares. Of course this is a generalization but I often hear expats complain of this. And the education system really is that way. People go to school to study how to take national exams.

Ever been to Hong Kong? Ever been to Taiwan? The same problem of national exams occurs all over Asia. In general you're going to see less creativity in Asia in general. Dropping out of school to begin a startup is unheard of and you'd get disowned. It's not just China, it's any other Asian country. America has the most creativity in this sense because we encourage people to find their "passion."

The problem of 20-something-year olds not settling down is the reason why we have startups like Facebook, etc. People settle down in Asia, and even in Europe. I have friends who quite finance, accounting, and investment banking to run food trucks. I can't imagine my cousins ever trying that one in Taiwan.

4. There is more dissent in the cities where people are more educated. In the countryside, which accounts for basically all of the landmass (not sure about population), not so much.

I believe it's now a 50/50 rural urban split in China now. But you could say the rural population in the US is pretty clueless too

5. Public transportation is the primary way of getting around, by far. Every time you get a train ticket you must provide your China ID. The government can track you easily this way, and they monitor all communications like text and web traffic. My dad is on China's list of people to watch out for due to his association with Falun Gong and one night government officials just showed up in his hotel room, completely out of the blue.

Train ticket like train train like Amtrak, but not subway. How many millions ride the subway? You have to show your ID on Amtrak too. You can't get a hotel room in most places without an ID either in the US.

6. The people in power have a LOT of power and a LOT of money, and there's no system of checks and balances (in the judicial system there is no jury, only one judge who decides on everything).

Considering all this, the populace is at a huge disadvantage for a successful revolution.

After talking with some people it seems that if revolution were to happen, it would have to be from the members of the rank and file military. They are armed and they are comprised of normal citizens. But the military leadership is also corrupt.

I don't know where the hell this is going to go. It's a really sad state of affairs. I honestly feel incredibly bad for the Chinese populace.

I don't know. People seem to think that China's this total backwards country with a Communist government seriously oppressing its people. I'd say that's an exaggeration. Most people know how the US is, and really while they embrace Western culture like sports and pop and entertainment, they don't really strive to be us. There's intense nationalistic pride in China and that's not because of brainwashing. It's just the honest truth that not everyone thinks America is the greatest place on earth. Considering that Europe tends to think that too, I wouldn't say the general sentiment of China is that far off from the rest of the modern world.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Hey this is the "Morality of Government" Moonbeam was talking about.

 

[HomerJS]

Who's the guy that could carry out that order.

Looks like the #1 geo-political foe of the Chinese people is the Chinese government.


BTW - for all you Obama is a socialist crowd, welcome to real socialism

 

[monovillage]

Who's the guy that could carry out that order.

Looks like the #1 geo-political foe of the Chinese people is the Chinese government.


BTW - for all you Obama is a socialist crowd, welcome to real socialism

If he and other liberal "progressives" have their way then this is the type of authoritarian regime we'd get. They'd do it for our own good as they see it.

 

[Steeplerot]

If he and other liberal "progressives" have their way then this is the type of authoritarian regime we'd get. They'd do it for our own good as they see it.

Yet, neo-liberal China is exactly what Republicans actually push policy-wise in reality.

They just have a religious authoritarian trip, unlike Maoists secular authoritarianism.

 

[UberNeuman]

Is there a way we can get the Westboro Baptist Church to go to China....

 

[Smoblikat]

Immediatley I thought of Tienanmen square.

 

[fuzzybabybunny]

Not sure about the BS about kitchen knives. You can buy knives in China no problem at the market. I bought kitchen knives before and took them home to the US. Not sure what you're talking about.

Looks like the knife thing is a Beijing thing. Here in Beijing you must show your ID and register to buy a kitchen knife.

True, but many people know how to get around the Great Firewall. Practically all my friends who studied abroad are on Facebook. Just go look on Facebook how many people are from China. Quite a few.

Right. All your friends who studied abroad ie. The educated. What about the people who are not educated? These are the people most in need of open access to information. And my experience has been exactly the opposite. I've been living in hostels and dormitories and have encountered far, far more people who do not know how to get over the firewall. They know its possible, but most think it's a hard thing to do or they're not bothered enough by it to want to do it. The 3 people who have studied abroad have Facebook accounts but since moving back to China stop using it because they don't know how to VPN or which ones are not blocked. I get expressions of amazement every day when students see me on Facebook.

Ever been to Hong Kong? Ever been to Taiwan? The same problem of national exams occurs all over Asia. In general you're going to see less creativity in Asia in general. Dropping out of school to begin a startup is unheard of and you'd get disowned. It's not just China, it's any other Asian country. America has the most creativity in this sense because we encourage people to find their "passion."

Just because it's an Asia problem doesn't mean it's not a China problem. By definition it is a China problem. Since this thread is about China... I don't see your point in pointing out that the rest of Asia has this problem. This thread concerns China specifically.

The problem of 20-something-year olds not settling down is the reason why we have startups like Facebook, etc. People settle down in Asia, and even in Europe. I have friends who quite finance, accounting, and investment banking to run food trucks. I can't imagine my cousins ever trying that one in Taiwan.

No, they won't. The incentives, culture, history, and systems in place to reward such behavior do not exist like they do in the US. People are expected to settle down and have a stable job and family at around 25. Coming from a very recent history under Mao's rule where poverty, scarcity, and instability were rampant, it is understandable why all parents push very very hard for their children to attain stability as quickly as possible, in whatever means necessary. Get the basic practical things down first. Love and passion comes later. There is a common saying in China that my Chinese female friends are told by their parents: "marry first, date later."

I believe it's now a 50/50 rural urban split in China now. But you could say the rural population in the US is pretty clueless too

Train ticket like train train like Amtrak, but not subway. How many millions ride the subway? You have to show your ID on Amtrak too. You can't get a hotel room in most places without an ID either in the US.

True. I was just pointing out how easily the government can track you. The US has the same tracking ability, but in the hands of the Chinese government this ability will be used differently.

I don't know. People seem to think that China's this total backwards country with a Communist government seriously oppressing its people. I'd say that's an exaggeration. Most people know how the US is, and really while they embrace Western culture like sports and pop and entertainment, they don't really strive to be us. There's intense nationalistic pride in China and that's not because of brainwashing. It's just the honest truth that not everyone thinks America is the greatest place on earth. Considering that Europe tends to think that too, I wouldn't say the general sentiment of China is that far off from the rest of the modern world.

My experience has been opposite and my experience has been with the young generation in places like Peking University and Tsinghua University. There is no national pride. People do not think that the government is something to be respected. They know the government officials are driven by money and corruption. That's why so many of them want to go abroad ie. Get the fuck out of Dodge. I sit down every night and people ask me questions all day about how America's government functions and how American people are. I try to be unbiased, describing everything as a double edged sword (ex. Our government has checks and balances built in to prevent overpowering but it is far from perfect and is often terribly sluggish and at times downright gridlocked and unable to get things done.)

Still, everyone I've talked to have preferred the American way of doing things, not because they think that our way is best, but because they think it's better than what they have now.

I have never even once encountered this intense national pride except with middle aged woman at a dinner party that drank a LOT and loved to toast all the time.

At best I get people saying they understand the reasons why the government does what it does, but they hardly think it's an optimal situation.

For example, one person was in favor of the firewall... sort of... because he believed that removing it altogether and having all that new information flooding in would cause amazing social unrest and harm. He believed that the government would tear it down bit by bit to prevent such a delude, and on it's own accord.

Even this article about taking over people's land. People say they understand because the government does this because they need to provide room for development such as more factories and malls and housing to spur on the economy. It's for the greater good.

Of course if you sit back and think about it this line of reasoning is bullshit. If this land were really that valuable they should then give these people fair compensation and they would be OK with it. At the most basic level, you don't murder citizens over this shit.

In bold.

 

[Farang]

The Chinese government is one major economic downturn away from being done. And the government knows it. The thing is just a giant bubble waiting to be popped. Economic coercion is really the only thing they have going for them at this point.