Man charged with manslaughter for killing the twerp who stole his car

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: KK
Yaahoo...one less punk to worry about at night. How many more to go?

KK

i think that says it best. The morons who think the kid doesn't deserve to die are what are going to bring this country down. Go hug your trees elsewhere

it's people like you who run around killing anyone and everyone for the slightest thing that's going to turn this place into Communist Russia or Rome 2000 years ago. :|

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: KK
Yaahoo...one less punk to worry about at night. How many more to go?

KK

i think that says it best. The morons who think the kid doesn't deserve to die are what are going to bring this country down. Go hug your trees elsewhere

and when one of your kids steals something, and i shoot him down, dont b!tch.

trust me, if my kid commits grand theft auto, i'll get to him before you do

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: KK
Yaahoo...one less punk to worry about at night. How many more to go?

KK

i think that says it best. The morons who think the kid doesn't deserve to die are what are going to bring this country down. Go hug your trees elsewhere

and when one of your kids steals something, and i shoot him down, dont b!tch.

trust me, if my kid commits grand theft auto, i'll get to him before you do

omfg... you're not actually a parent, are you. My mom's always said that I probably won't understand what a "parent's love" is until I'm actually a parent, but from the pretty damn good idea that I do have, what it must be is probably a hell of a lot stronger. You won't shoot your own child for stealing a car unless you're a terrible parent or completely detached -and in either case, you'd be breaking the law and a homocidal maniac. :disgust:

 

[dabuddha]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: KK
Yaahoo...one less punk to worry about at night. How many more to go?

KK

i think that says it best. The morons who think the kid doesn't deserve to die are what are going to bring this country down. Go hug your trees elsewhere

and when one of your kids steals something, and i shoot him down, dont b!tch.

trust me, if my kid commits grand theft auto, i'll get to him before you do

omfg... you're not actually a parent, are you. My mom's always said that I probably won't understand what a "parent's love" is until I'm actually a parent, but from the pretty damn good idea that I do have, what it must be is probably a hell of a lot stronger. You won't shoot your own child for stealing a car unless you're a terrible parent or completely detached -and in either case, you'd be breaking the law and a homocidal maniac. :disgust:

you obviously don't know what you're talking about if you feel that way. Bailing your kid out is the worst thing a parent can do. The kid will learn nothing. granted I wouldn't shoot the child but if he got shot, then it'll be his own fault for doing something that everyone knows is illegal and morally wrong.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: KK
Yaahoo...one less punk to worry about at night. How many more to go?

KK

i think that says it best. The morons who think the kid doesn't deserve to die are what are going to bring this country down. Go hug your trees elsewhere

and when one of your kids steals something, and i shoot him down, dont b!tch.

trust me, if my kid commits grand theft auto, i'll get to him before you do

omfg... you're not actually a parent, are you. My mom's always said that I probably won't understand what a "parent's love" is until I'm actually a parent, but from the pretty damn good idea that I do have, what it must be is probably a hell of a lot stronger. You won't shoot your own child for stealing a car unless you're a terrible parent or completely detached -and in either case, you'd be breaking the law and a homocidal maniac. :disgust:

you obviously don't know what you're talking about if you feel that way. Bailing your kid out is the worst thing a parent can do. The kid will learn nothing. granted I wouldn't shoot the child but if he got shot, then it'll be his own fault for doing something that everyone knows is illegal and morally wrong.

idiots

bailing a kid out and fvcking shooting at them are two different things, dumbass.

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: KK
Yaahoo...one less punk to worry about at night. How many more to go?

KK

i think that says it best. The morons who think the kid doesn't deserve to die are what are going to bring this country down. Go hug your trees elsewhere

and when one of your kids steals something, and i shoot him down, dont b!tch.

trust me, if my kid commits grand theft auto, i'll get to him before you do

omfg... you're not actually a parent, are you. My mom's always said that I probably won't understand what a "parent's love" is until I'm actually a parent, but from the pretty damn good idea that I do have, what it must be is probably a hell of a lot stronger. You won't shoot your own child for stealing a car unless you're a terrible parent or completely detached -and in either case, you'd be breaking the law and a homocidal maniac. :disgust:

you obviously don't know what you're talking about if you feel that way. Bailing your kid out is the worst thing a parent can do. The kid will learn nothing. granted I wouldn't shoot the child but if he got shot, then it'll be his own fault for doing something that everyone knows is illegal and morally wrong.

If I shot your kid for stealing my car, would you be happier there is one less criminal in the world?

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: djheater
The text of the article implies that the man pursued the kid in another vehicle while firing rounds.
That is not something I want anyone doing, much less someone who is not a cop. He acted criminally recklessly and should be punished for that.
The issue is not whether someone should or shouldn't try to stop a thief. It's whether private citizen's have the right to take "justice" into thier own hands. Clearly our laws state they do not.

this isn't vengance or anything, he was just trying to get his car back. but i agree, he should be charged with some sort of reckless endangerment. maybe give him a verbal warning or something... i just hate to see a guy score against a criminal and get punished for it.

However, this man is a criminal himself. He had a gun, he should know the rules associated with it. Those rules specify that a person has no right to go around shooting out of his car to stop a thief.

He should be punished just as surely as the boy should have been punished for stealing the car. Plain and simple. You are supoosed to know the law.

The law applies to all.... never forget that.

 

[MacBaine]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: sward666
Great Googly Moogly - This is the second time I find myself agreeing with Nik. What's the world coming to?

Cmon... can you honsetly say that this 15 year old career criminal, who has been through the legal system already and was let back on the street, deserves to live?

Are you f*cking crazy? There is no jurisdiction in the civilized world where car theft gets you a death penalty, repeat offenders included. Why do you suppose that is?

Because people know that if they steal a car, they're probably going to get shot.

That's not the way the country runs. Learn it. When you do figure out that the country doesn't run that way, more laws might actually make sense to you

Actually, I understand it quite well. Laws deter people from committing crimes because of the possible consequences. This kid faced traditional consequences when he stole his first car, and it obviously wasn't enough to deter him from doing it again. When the jury aquits (sp) this man, it will probably dter a hell of a lot of people from doing what this kid did. The system works.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: MacBaine

Originally posted by: sward666
Great Googly Moogly - This is the second time I find myself agreeing with Nik. What's the world coming to?

Cmon... can you honsetly say that this 15 year old career criminal, who has been through the legal system already and was let back on the street, deserves to live?

Are you f*cking crazy? There is no jurisdiction in the civilized world where car theft gets you a death penalty, repeat offenders included. Why do you suppose that is?

Because people know that if they steal a car, they're probably going to get shot.

That's not the way the country runs. Learn it. When you do figure out that the country doesn't run that way, more laws might actually make sense to you

Actually, I understand it quite well. Laws deter people from committing crimes because of the possible consequences. This kid faced traditional consequences when he stole his first car, and it obviously wasn't enough to deter him from doing it again. When the jury aquits (sp) this man, it will probably dter a hell of a lot of people from doing what this kid did. The system works.

You're proving yourself to be one of the biggest flaming idiots that I've ever met. Since the system DOES work, it will put him away for manslaughter. Tell me something; why was he arrested in the first place if it's not a crime?

 

[Deleted member 4644]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Soybomb

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SuperTool
He chased down the kid and killed him. It wasn't self defense. This guy should be charged with murder, not manslaughter.

here's my thing... do we really want people to be scared to protect their own property? is that really the kind of society we want to live in? do we want criminals to be able to commit crimes, knowing that their victims can't stop them? i don't. i want criminals to be AFRAID to commit crimes.

edit: I have no idea why it ate my text....


Anyway we have law enforcement for a reason. He could have done far better by following the kid and calling the police. I don't want wackos driving around my neighborhood firing guns out of a moving vehicle for any reason.

you're assuming he had a cell phone.... and like i said, you're right... he should be charged with reckless endangerment *of the public*. but i don't think criminals should be made out to be victims.

Lets say you stole a pack of gum as a kid (maybe you never did, I havent personally). But hypothetically. BOOM, you're a criminal.

How would you feel if the store owner took a gun and blew you away? ... right... thought so.

Criminals have rights. Criminals can be pardoned. And criminals CAN reform.

It would be easy to execute people for every little crime. However, in our system even criminals are STILL PEOPLE with families and loved ones.

THUS, those who would attack a criminal must realize there are RULES OF ENGAGEMENT. Deal with it or dont pack heat.

PS- In most state it is ABSOLUTELY illegal to shot a burgler even if he is still on your property--unless he is threatening you.

 

[gopunk]

Lets say you stole a pack of gum as a kid (maybe you never did, I havent personally). But hypothetically. BOOM, you're a criminal.

How would you feel if the store owner took a gun and blew you away? ... right... thought so.

if the store owner chased after me, i would probably give myself up.

 

[FrancesBeansRevenge]

I was involved in a car theft when I was a teenager. I wish someone would have shot me.
If they had it would have been 100% my fault. I knew it was wrong and I was worried about the consequences.

 

[gopunk]

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: djheater
The text of the article implies that the man pursued the kid in another vehicle while firing rounds.
That is not something I want anyone doing, much less someone who is not a cop. He acted criminally recklessly and should be punished for that.
The issue is not whether someone should or shouldn't try to stop a thief. It's whether private citizen's have the right to take "justice" into thier own hands. Clearly our laws state they do not.

this isn't vengance or anything, he was just trying to get his car back. but i agree, he should be charged with some sort of reckless endangerment. maybe give him a verbal warning or something... i just hate to see a guy score against a criminal and get punished for it.

However, this man is a criminal himself. He had a gun, he should know the rules associated with it. Those rules specify that a person has no right to go around shooting out of his car to stop a thief.

He should be punished just as surely as the boy should have been punished for stealing the car. Plain and simple. You are supoosed to know the law.

The law applies to all.... never forget that.

that's exactly what i'm saying! punish him for reckless endangerment!

 

[gopunk]

omfg... you're not actually a parent, are you. My mom's always said that I probably won't understand what a "parent's love" is until I'm actually a parent, but from the pretty damn good idea that I do have, what it must be is probably a hell of a lot stronger. You won't shoot your own child for stealing a car unless you're a terrible parent or completely detached -and in either case, you'd be breaking the law and a homocidal maniac. :disgust:

you bring up a good point... parental love is pretty much absolute... which means it should not be a criterea used to judge something like this.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: LordSegan

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: djheater
The text of the article implies that the man pursued the kid in another vehicle while firing rounds.
That is not something I want anyone doing, much less someone who is not a cop. He acted criminally recklessly and should be punished for that.
The issue is not whether someone should or shouldn't try to stop a thief. It's whether private citizen's have the right to take "justice" into thier own hands. Clearly our laws state they do not.

this isn't vengance or anything, he was just trying to get his car back. but i agree, he should be charged with some sort of reckless endangerment. maybe give him a verbal warning or something... i just hate to see a guy score against a criminal and get punished for it.

However, this man is a criminal himself. He had a gun, he should know the rules associated with it. Those rules specify that a person has no right to go around shooting out of his car to stop a thief.

He should be punished just as surely as the boy should have been punished for stealing the car. Plain and simple. You are supoosed to know the law.

The law applies to all.... never forget that.

that's exactly what i'm saying! punish him for reckless endangerment!

No, punish him for MURDER

 

[dafatha00]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Lets say you stole a pack of gum as a kid (maybe you never did, I havent personally). But hypothetically. BOOM, you're a criminal.

How would you feel if the store owner took a gun and blew you away? ... right... thought so.

if the store owner chased after me, i would probably give myself up.

But if another kid stole a pack of gum, would you feel it is justified that he gets shot?

 

[classy]

Huh?

"A first-degree manslaughter charge was filed today against a Tacoma man who shot and killed a 15-year-old boy who had just stolen the man?s 1985 Pontiac.
Fredrick T. Sims, 33, grabbed a gun after family members told him someone was stealing the car outside their house, then pursued the driver for several blocks and fired three rounds."


Now granted no one wants his or her car stolen. But that doesn't give you or me the right to start chasing the person around shooting at them. He should go to jail. He could have accidently shot and killed someone else. The guy stole his car out of the yard he wasn't car jacked at gun point or nothing. He should done what was right and called the police. See this is the kind of stuff I point to about civilians having guns. Now if this moron didn't have a gun he would not have pursued this guy. He would have just called the police. But see because he had his big bad gun, what does he do. Goes out shooting up the town playing cops and robbers. I hope he gets at least 5 years.

 

[ReiAyanami]

the father simply wanted his car back, he did not know the person stealing it was a 15 year old. nor did he know the person was a career criminal. he irrationally did what he though was right to get his car back. it would be hard for the police to prove whether he intended to kill the person, which is why this is manslaughter, not murder.

the most they can pin him for is manslaughter + reckless endangerment + weapons charges.

however the criminal was killed while in the act of committing a crime, and a serious one at that. any sensical jury would realize that 2 lives should not be ended over this incident, meaning the father should not be sent to jail and instead be given community service [lots] for the lesser charges so that his children will not be deprived of a dad.

 

[Analog]

no car is worth killing for. Unless your life was at stake.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

You take a gun and shoot at me - how hard is it going to be to prove that you were trying to kill me? Hell, I thought you were trying to throw me a birthday party.

Now I'm all confused!!!! 😕

🙁

 

[Dreadogg]

He chased down the kid and killed him. It wasn't self defense. This guy should be charged with murder, not manslaughter

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agree, he should be punished. In my opinion he should be put to death! who the fuvk does he think he is? what an a$$, 15 year old boy!

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Dreadogg

He chased down the kid and killed him. It wasn't self defense. This guy should be charged with murder, not manslaughter

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agree, he should be punished. In my opinion he should be put to death! who the fuvk does he think he is? what an a$$, 15 year old boy!

Age and sex has no barring. If it was a 96yr old lady who stole his car, he shouldn't have gone for his gun at all, much less fired a single shot.

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: SuperTool
He chased down the kid and killed him. It wasn't self defense. This guy should be charged with murder, not manslaughter.

here's my thing... do we really want people to be scared to protect their own property? is that really the kind of society we want to live in? do we want criminals to be able to commit crimes, knowing that their victims can't stop them? i don't. i want criminals to be AFRAID to commit crimes.

Yeah, don't we all, but isn't law enforcment supposed to make them afraid... having some idiot driving around shooting from his car isn't all that great...

I agree with SuperTool, this guy should face charges for murder, it was intentional, he was hunting the guy down AND he put others at great risk...

What if he would have missed and shot your sis/gf/mother/daughter? would you still be all that high and mighty?

I think not... this wasn't made out to be a flame, just to make you think twice...

 

[SnapIT]

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: Don_Vito

Originally posted by: b0mbrman

Originally posted by: SuperTool
Just cus someone stole your car, doesn't give you the right to kill them. This is not the wild west. We have laws.

Not picking a side but...what would you say if this man shot off his rounds to stop a different type of crime? For example, rape? Assuming of course that the law also doesn't give someone the right to kill an in-act rapist...

I would say that was totally different. Rape is a violent crime, and has a victim who suffers tremendously. I have had a car (a brand-new Integra GS-R sedan, in fact) stolen and totalled - it was honestly not that big a deal. Even if I could have killed the thief with impunity, I never would have, because I would not ever feel right about it. A car is a car is a car.

On the other hand, I was once mugged at knifepoint, and in the heat of the moment I might have done almost anything. While I am glad I was not armed and did not shoot him, I was so angry and upset by the robbery that, at least for a while, I sincerely wanted to kill the robber. I know if I had to shoot someone to prevent a loved one from being raped or killed, I could and would do it in a heartbeat.

a car is a car is a car... for you. but who's to say a car can not have sentimental value to someone else? perhaps it was given to him by his late father or something. emotionally, there is nothing to say that he would not have suffered tremendously.

Oh please... having a loved one raped or killed is equal to having a car that someone you love gave to you is equal? either you are too materialistic or you don't get the point... The loved one that is raped or killed is worth a hell of a lot more than a car, no matter where it came from... you know that..

 

[KK]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: gopunk

Originally posted by: FallenHero

Originally posted by: dabuddha

Originally posted by: KK
Yaahoo...one less punk to worry about at night. How many more to go?

KK

i think that says it best. The morons who think the kid doesn't deserve to die are what are going to bring this country down. Go hug your trees elsewhere

and when one of your kids steals something, and i shoot him down, dont b!tch.

trust me, if my kid commits grand theft auto, i'll get to him before you do

omfg... you're not actually a parent, are you. My mom's always said that I probably won't understand what a "parent's love" is until I'm actually a parent, but from the pretty damn good idea that I do have, what it must be is probably a hell of a lot stronger. You won't shoot your own child for stealing a car unless you're a terrible parent or completely detached -and in either case, you'd be breaking the law and a homocidal maniac. :disgust:

you obviously don't know what you're talking about if you feel that way. Bailing your kid out is the worst thing a parent can do. The kid will learn nothing. granted I wouldn't shoot the child but if he got shot, then it'll be his own fault for doing something that everyone knows is illegal and morally wrong.

idiots

bailing a kid out and fvcking shooting at them are two different things, dumbass.

Easy there cobalt. lol. The facts are this kid was a repeat offender. My kid does it once, shame on me, my kid does it twice, shame , can't do it again. Oh wait, didn't someone say something like that before. 🙂 Anyways, there is no loss to society because of this kids untimely celestrial dirtnap. If anything, it's maybe alittle bit safer. Who knows what this little delinquent would have done when he was older. And where were the parents? That's probably who needs the dirtnap most. I'm not saying that this guy prefectly sane to go driving after this punk to shoot him down. He should have shot him on his property.

KK