Malaysian airlines has lost a 777

[Tweak155]

The idea that because a veteran, 50 year-old pilot is under increased suspicion because he built himself a nice rig for Microsoft FSX and then posts online in FS forums and Youtube to show it off is preposterous.

It does sound ridiculous, but if they can't find the plane, might as well take the time to research everyone who was on the plane.

A guy at work gave me his theory that the Malaysian government screwed up and took down the airplane thinking it was a threat and are now trying to cover it up. Interesting theory... people come up with all sorts of ideas that "might fit" what little we know right now.

 

[MaxFusion16]

The idea that because a veteran, 50 year-old pilot is under increased suspicion because he built himself a nice rig for Microsoft FSX and then posts online in FS forums and Youtube to show it off is preposterous.

no, a 50 year old veteran should be under increased suspicion precisely because he's a veteran with intimate knowledge of the plane, extensive flight hours, and an unknown training program at home.

so he's the most qualified person on board that plane to have carried out this sophisticated disappearance.

This FACT puts him under suspicion.

 

[TangoJuliet]

If the plane continued west towards samalia there are 2 small islands in the Indian Ocean that have airports. Could it be possible that they landed there and nobody has said anything?? (highly unlikely). The first one is only 4000 feet long so its unlikely that it could land there but the second is 10,000 and very capable of putting a 777 down.

https://www.google.com/maps/place/F...a21!2sPhuket!3b1!3m1!1s0x0:0xae47918e297e809a

https://www.google.com/maps/place/4...73.529077,15z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

 

[IndyColtsFan]

no, a 50 year old veteran should be under increased suspicion precisely because he's a veteran with intimate knowledge of the plane, extensive flight hours, and an unknown training program at home.

so he's the most qualified person on board that plane to have carried out this sophisticated disappearance.

This FACT puts him under suspicion.

I don't disagree that both should be under suspicion. I just disagree with CNN trying to paint the guy a certain way because he plays FSX.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

It does sound ridiculous, but if they can't find the plane, might as well take the time to research everyone who was on the plane.

A guy at work gave me his theory that the Malaysian government screwed up and took down the airplane thinking it was a threat and are now trying to cover it up. Interesting theory... people come up with all sorts of ideas that "might fit" what little we know right now.

I would think a takedown via missile or any other military means would've created a large debris field. Of course, I suppose if it were shot down high in the air, any debris capable of floating would've been scattered for dozens and perhaps hundreds of miles while the bulk of the plane went under.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

no, a 50 year old veteran should be under increased suspicion precisely because he's a veteran with intimate knowledge of the plane, extensive flight hours, and an unknown training program at home.

so he's the most qualified person on board that plane to have carried out this sophisticated disappearance.

This FACT puts him under suspicion.

you would think if he was planning this out, he'd lay low and not post in forums.

 

[Hugo Drax]

lol i wonder how long the NRO has had pictures of the flight path and crash/destination.

(U)Joking aside, its unfortunate due to the classification of CORKSCREW they are unable to release any data showing the flight in progress and where it ended up.

 

[zinfamous]

The media coverage is getting more and more ridiculous and I think that's why the handling of this situation seems really bad. In an effort to "scoop" one another, these idiotic media sources like CNN will report every tidbit without vetting it, analyzing it, etc. Just read an article over there that the pilot of the flight was a flight simulator hobbyist and CNN and other media seemed to imply that it was odd for a pilot to build a flight simulator and play with it at home. The idiocy is overwhelming.

exactly. same kind of shit with the Boston Marathon bombing. Needing to fill dead air time, 24 hour news channels will entertain any crackpot theory.

I think the only reason the Malaysian official responses seem bizarre--contradicting everything, appearing to withhold information--is just a consequence of the media airing every single turn.

It's preposterous. Then you have the internet Shamuses running wild with their typical insanity, fed by the media, that will even report internet message board tomfoolery as news. it's ridiculous.

 

[zinfamous]

I don't disagree that both should be under suspicion. I just disagree with CNN trying to paint the guy a certain way because he plays FSX.

remember that guy that the internet accused during the Boston marathon, and how the media dealt with this "breaking news"?


yeah.

 

[rudeguy]

so there is pretty much no chance that the plane or anyone on it survived?

 

[chimaxi83]

Its increasingly looking like it was either pilot(s) suicide or the pilot(s) hijacking the plane. Without knowing the specifics, the plane could have been transitioning from a radar environment to non radar. Once notified they were in a non radar environment they knew they could fly undetected and could turn the plane off course.

If you look at the turn - it wasn't back towards KL but rather laterally to the west. Like I said earlier turning the transponder off doesn't make the plane disappear from radar. Once the plane transitioned to a radar environment it would just show up as a target which is my guess at what they saw at 2 am. Depending on the radar's capabilities they should be able to determine the aircraft's altitude.

Another guess is that the plane went back into a non radar environment since they don't have anything else on the plane past 2 am. That area was searched and debris was not found so it probably safe to assume that it continued on somewhere.

Its probably safe to assume that either one of the pilot's was incapacitated since I doubt they would allow the other pilot to go rogue OR the pilots were working together. I mean its also possible that the flight deck was compromised and a passenger(s) hijacked the plane as well.

I'm not even 100% certain they can ascertain that the target that was observed at 2 am was intact MH370 since there wouldn't be any data associated with the target since the transponders were off. If it was MH370 then you would have to take that point and extend it in every direction 4-5 hours @ 560mph ~ 2,800 miles. That would be a massive area to search but you would be able to determine if the plane was put in the ocean or landed at some unknown location. Putting an aircraft of that size down is going to require a surface free of obstacles and at least 7,000 feet in length....not sure how many places you are going to find like that.

Holy shit.... Your missing rent check is probably on that plane!

 

[NoTine42]

I would think a takedown via missile or any other military means would've created a large debris field. Of course, I suppose if it were shot down high in the air, any debris capable of floating would've been scattered for dozens and perhaps hundreds of miles while the bulk of the plane went under.

Does a missle always blow up the fuselage? Or could it just take out a wing resulting in an uncontrolled fall?

It is an interesting thought. What if Malaysian govt told everyone to "look up here" while they waited for debris to clear up else where?

 

[ghost recon88]

so there is pretty much no chance that the plane or anyone on it survived?

Depends if we are talking crashing into the ocean, or crashing onto an island.

 

[TangoJuliet]

Holy shit.... Your missing rent check is probably on that plane!

Sweeeeet....they better find that plane!! 🙂

 

[nageov3t]

so there is pretty much no chance that the plane or anyone on it survived?

#1: plane crashed into the ocean (either deliberately or accidentally) -- almost no chance anyone is still alive

#2: plane crashed onto an island -- some chance people are still alive; may or may not be purgatory

#3: plane was hijacked and is sitting on an island somewhere -- high chance people are still alive

 

[Ns1]

#1: plane crashed into the ocean (either deliberately or accidentally) -- almost no chance anyone is still alive

#2: plane crashed onto an island -- some chance people are still alive; may or may not be purgatory

#3: plane was hijacked and is sitting on an island somewhere -- high chance people are still alive

Or all 3 are happening at the same time in alternate universes.

LOST

 

[quikah]

It is almost assured that the plane flew for 4-5 hours after contact was lost since they have satcom contact from the plane for that long.

I think there are 3 possible scenarios:

1. Cascading failures which eventually resulted in cabin depressurization. Pilots turn back to return to KL, but for some reason they pass out due to hypoxia from the loss of cabin pressure. The plane continues to fly at the last heading input into autopilot until it runs out of fuel. If this is correct then they should be able to follow the last radar signature and find the wreckage along there at some point pretty quickly.

2. Pilot suicide. The pilot(s) decided to kill themselves, manually disabled the communication systems and proceeded to fly to some remote place to crash. This seems odd, but who knows. Should be able to find wreckage at some point.

3. Hijacking/air-piracy. Pilot(s) and/or hijackers take over plane and manually disable the comm systems. Plane could be VERY hard to find.

If 3 is true, they may actually know where the plane is from the satcom info (possibly hijacker didn't know about it or failed to disable it completely). They could be feeding false information to media to buy time/not tip off hijackers.

1 or 2 is likely the most probable, but if they don't find wreckage in the next few days 3 becomes more probable.

 

[Jay5]

The media coverage is getting more and more ridiculous and I think that's why the handling of this situation seems really bad. In an effort to "scoop" one another, these idiotic media sources like CNN will report every tidbit without vetting it, analyzing it, etc. Just read an article over there that the pilot of the flight was a flight simulator hobbyist and CNN and other media seemed to imply that it was odd for a pilot to build a flight simulator and play with it at home. The idiocy is overwhelming.

i stopped following mainstream media a long time ago,people should relize they'll run storys like these to death to distract people from the issues they should really be caring about

 

[Squisher]

If it was Hijacked, what would they likely do with the people seeing that the plane itself was their objective. Ransom them, kill them, or sell them into slavery? What's standard operating procedure when they take ships?

 

[quikah]

If it was Hijacked, what would they likely do with the people seeing that the plane itself was their objective. Ransom them, kill them, or sell them into slavery? What's standard operating procedure when they take ships?

Guess it would depend on who did it and why. One of the nuttier theories is that China did it to abduct the 20 Freescale employees that were onboard.

 

[nageov3t]

If it was Hijacked, what would they likely do with the people seeing that the plane itself was their objective. Ransom them, kill them, or sell them into slavery? What's standard operating procedure when they take ships?

historically, passengers are the reason planes and ships get hijacked.

(iirc, that was why the pilots on 9/11 initially went along with the hijackers, assuming they were just going to land in a field and get held for ransom)

not sure what a terrorist could even do with a plane like this. it's so high profile that as soon as it turns up in anyone's airspace, it's going to get shot down if it doesn't respond to communications)

 

[Ns1]

NOTHING MAKES SENSE

I should just stop reading.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-military-radar.html?smid=tw-bna&_r=0

 

[slayer202]

I find it crazy that the transponder can be manually turned off. Certainly there has to be a better way to allow it to be turned off if the ability is truly necessary. Also, that there is no reliable technology to track the damn thing, no matter where it went(especially if it wasn't in the ocean the second we lost communication)

Also, Malaysia is apparently completely useless

 

[jpiniero]

Well, at least if they want to reboot LOST they have some plot ideas now.

 

[raildogg]

So apparently people are playing around with "ideas" about what happened with no real clue whatsoever. That is irresponsible. I know we people are bored and want to be occupied with something, but giving your assumptions about something you have no clue about is not very responsible.

We don't know what happened and that's that. The media wants ratings so they speculate all day with their so-called "experts." Its actually ridiculous. Unfortunately, many people fall for this sort of speculation and even provide their own ridiculous input. Sad situation in many ways.