Malaysian airlines has lost a 777

[Dari]

Yeah ok. Do you actually know this stuff or do you read quite a bit and think you know about it?

I know a thing or two...

and i knew it was only a matter of time until china started getting terrorism. even if they are allied with pakistan. even without any problems with the ugyrs extreme islamists would target them just because they are not islamic.

Yeah, unlike the Tibetan Buddhists, these Uighurs are fighting and killing Han Chinese. Add the fact that the United States is about to leave Afghanistan, Chinese copper mine investment is increasing in Afghanistan and you have a fat target in Han Chinese. China's response is to bring more Han Chinese into Uighur areas and be more brutal. But both of those strategies are counterproductive.

 

[benzylic]

Chinese media aired a video of a man calling his brother's cell phone, who was on the flight. Apparently it connected and would ring, but no one picked up.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/family-chinese-passenger-missing-mas-flight-says-mobile-000308392.html

 

[Markbnj]

China's response is to bring more Han Chinese into Uighur areas and be more brutal. But both of those strategies are counterproductive.

They're only counterproductive if you don't take them far enough. Such tactics don't work well in the modern world, with constant pressure on a nation to pull its punches, but they certainly have worked fine in the past.

 

[LegendKiller]

palenty and the republicans are more or less at fault. and not just the bridge collapse. they messed up the whole state of minnesota. drop income tax and tax people even higher tan before with fees and drop neccessary expenditure and yet still spend more on corruption and pet projects and see what happens

I know what was at fault and it wasn't pawlenty. I knew people who testified in front of the state senate about it. You need to look towards The Body.

That aside, McOwned is notorious for trying to be a renaissance man in all facets of everything. one of those was his certainty that the bridge collapse was caused by an earthquake (one nobody felt or was ever reported) that caused the bridge to slip off its footings and fall. He does this type of thing all of the time.

 

[norseamd]

Yeah, unlike the Tibetan Buddhists, these Uighurs are fighting and killing Han Chinese. Add the fact that the United States is about to leave Afghanistan, Chinese copper mine investment is increasing in Afghanistan and you have a fat target in Han Chinese. China's response is to bring more Han Chinese into Uighur areas and be more brutal. But both of those strategies are counterproductive.

when algerians grabbed the french plane the first one they shot was vietnamese. not sure why other than maybe because of the small amount of alcohol he had. maybe because the islamasists and christians use each other to base their rightousness off of and the vietnamese was neutral and was thus a threat to their whole arguement of surpiorority. sometimes opposing sides hate the neutral people more than each other deep down. like the american you are either with us or against us. those that preach that are worthy of being destroyed for attacking bystanders

 

[norseamd]

You need to look towards The Body.

state congress or the department of transportation?

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
Looks like the debris is not concentrated in one area so it must have gone into pieces up at 35K and rained down debris all over the place.

We should all feel better now. Dave is on the case.

Howd that minneapolis bridge collapse, dave? Ohhh yeah, it was an earthquake according to you.

I know it kills you that I'm always right.

3-10-2014

http://news.yahoo.com/missing-malaysian-jet-may-disintegrated-mid-air-source-002831393--sector.html

A senior source involved in preliminary investigations in Malaysia said the failure to find any debris for two days, despite dozens of vessels and aircraft crisscrossing the sea below the flight path, indicated the plane may have broken up mid-flight.


"The fact that we are unable to find any debris so far appears to indicate that the aircraft is likely to have disintegrated at around 35,000 feet," said the source.

 

[Xellos2099]

Accordign to yahoo.hk, they are saying there is a group that is claim responsiility, nto sure if it is real or not

 

[Vaux]

So what is to keep any terrorist organization from claiming responsibilty? Why wouldn't they all try? I am surprised we haven't heard more about that.

If the plane blew up mid-air, wouldn't that go against the theory they had about the oil not being in a slick and evaporating in the fall?

Does anyone know how much of the plane is designed to float? Should we be seeing many pieces floating or would about all of it usually sink anyways?

 

[KillerCharlie]

Does anyone know how much of the plane is designed to float?

Nothing specifically. There is an overall requirement that passengers have enough time to escape and injury is minimized:
http://www.flightsimaviation.com/data/FARS/part_25-801.html

Of course airplanes use lightweight materials anyways, so I don't think flotation is specifically designed into anything other than lifevests and liferafts.

A lot of the airplane parts will trap air which could cause them to float.

 

[Eli]

I'm beginning to think the plane is now on the LOST island. Isn't this all kinda bizarre?

Can't you pretty easily see a giant cloud of airplane parts on modern radar?

 

[dmcowen674]

If the plane blew up mid-air, wouldn't that go against the theory they had about the oil not being in a slick and evaporating in the fall?

Does anyone know how much of the plane is designed to float? Should we be seeing many pieces floating or would about all of it usually sink anyways?

Most of the two engines would remain intact and leave an oil slick.

 

[JTsyo]

Chinese media aired a video of a man calling his brother's cell phone, who was on the flight. Apparently it connected and would ring, but no one picked up.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/family-chinese-passenger-missing-mas-flight-says-mobile-000308392.html

Maybe the guy just forgot his phone. They should be able to find the phone using the cell towers.

 

[DrunkenSano]

So does this mean that a stall or pilot error is impossible?

In this case I would say it is improbable. If the plane stalled, then it would have been announced over radio. If there was pilot error and the plane ended up descending sharply, radar should've seen the dramatic decrease in altitude over time. For the plane to just vanish from radar...

 

[Anubis]

Originally Posted by dmcowen674
"The fact that we are unable to find any debris so far appears to indicate that the aircraft is likely to have disintegrated at around 35,000 feet," said the source.

i question that, assuming it had an issue at 35k feet and blew up for whatever reason, what are the chances that EVERYTHING got incinerated? wouldent there be debris everywhere, tons of things on planes float,, paper, plastic, foam, people, luggage,....

 

[Markbnj]

In this case I would say it is improbable. If the plane stalled, then it would have been announced over radio.

I don't think that conclusion is warranted. If the plane was in a stall the pilots would have been far too busy dealing with that to announce the fact of the stall to controllers. I'm not aware of any case where that happened. Until control is recovered the radio is the last thing they will be thinking about.

 

[Kaido]

I'm beginning to think the plane is now on the LOST island. Isn't this all kinda bizarre?

I was just thinking the exact same thing...sounds exactly like LOST...

 

[iamwiz82]

i question that, assuming it had an issue at 35k feet and blew up for whatever reason, what are the chances that EVERYTHING got incinerated? wouldent there be debris everywhere, tons of things on planes float,, paper, plastic, foam, people, luggage,....

Yes, there would be lots of debris but currents may have dispersed a lot already. When AF447 went down I believe that they had found floating wreckage by the next day.

Either way, if it were a water landing there should be something out there, I think that the oil slick properly is a good clue, I'm not sure if you have seen the photos of it, but it's fairly large. The current is clearly moving it, though.

For comparison, the AF447 slick found the day after.

 

[Kaido]

Chinese media aired a video of a man calling his brother's cell phone, who was on the flight. Apparently it connected and would ring, but no one picked up.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/family-chinese-passenger-missing-mas-flight-says-mobile-000308392.html

Sooooo can't they just triangulate the GPS location from the cell phone?

 

[purbeast0]

i think it's pretty crazy/amazing that there still seems to be so little known about what happened at this point.

definitely leaning towards the LOST route.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I don't think that conclusion is warranted. If the plane was in a stall the pilots would have been far too busy dealing with that to announce the fact of the stall to controllers. I'm not aware of any case where that happened. Until control is recovered the radio is the last thing they will be thinking about.

Doesn't matter. Even if the aircraft entered stall (Which is obscenely difficult to do with modern airplanes or any airplane withinthe last 30 years) There is no reason for the aircraft to drop from radar like that.

Primary radar should have kept a lock and the aircraft transponder would still have worked broadcasting its location.

Also with 35,000 feet to work with, unless you're in a flat spiral stall, the plane should have been able to recover from most stalls. The pilots also would have plenty of time to radio a distress call. Only one pilot flies the plane.

 

[z1ggy]

In this case I would say it is improbable. If the plane stalled, then it would have been announced over radio. If there was pilot error and the plane ended up descending sharply, radar should've seen the dramatic decrease in altitude over time. For the plane to just vanish from radar...

That's not always true. The Air France flight that crashed in the mid atlantic likely stalled out, yet no distress was ever sent. The stall alert went off.. But pilot error made it even worse.

Plus if it did stall, it would have crashed in one giant piece some where and theoretically, should be much easier to locate.

This is indeed a weird case, however. Most evidence points to fragmenting at high altitude, but the source of that is tough to pin point.

 

[Vdubchaos]

Don't they have GPS on planes to tell them exactly where the last contact was or something?

This all seems strange....

 

[Kaido]

i think it's pretty crazy/amazing that there still seems to be so little known about what happened at this point.

definitely leaning towards the LOST route.

Plot twist: LOST is a documentary

Seriously though, how do we even lose something as advanced & as tracked as an airliner? I mean, the NSA can probably tell what I had for breakfast yesterday thanks to my smartphone, you know? And there's no obvious terrorists aspects and there's no obvious distress calls. It just kind of...disappeared. I can't even imagine what the families are going through either...at least if they found the crash, they could get some sort of closure, but right now they're in limbo...

 

[Kaido]

Don't they have GPS on planes to tell them exactly where the last contact was or something?

This all seems strange....

Yeah, can't they just fly through the last tracked flight path?

Maybe North Korea fired off a missile test or something, who knows. It just seems pretty crazy that we "lost" an airliner...