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Malaysian airlines has lost a 777

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Why didn't anyone make an emergency call from the airplane?
because there was a problem

Why did the plane turn off course?
because there was a problem

Why did the plane lose tracking contact at the exact moment of the ATC country handoff? (which is when it would be the most convenient)
because there was a problem

Why did Malaysia seal evidence?
because they can

Why did the pilot delete flight simulator data from his computer?
prove that he did and that it wasn't just clearing a cache

Why won't Malaysia release the cargo manifest?
because they don't have to

There's a million unanswered questions. There's only one explanation - the one that actually happened; we just don't know what that is yet. There's just too many weird things that have come to light. Easiest guess is that an emergency happened & they crashed into the ocean. Second easiest guess is that the co-pilot opted for suicide. The rest are somewhat reasonable - terrorists? Sure, that's happened. Putin distracting the world? We've seen it done in the past. It's all speculation until we know the facts. What's scary isn't the options being discussed, but rather than we lost an entire airplane and heard nothing from anybody onboard that anything was wrong. Especially given how much the NSA tracks stuff these days, losing an airplane seems pretty nuts.

I mean this in the nicest way possible: Get a hobby. You are inventing shit in your mind, questioning things that have no bearing on anything, then decided there is a massive coverup. The fact is the plane crashed. It didn't get flown to a secret place to kill all the people on board so the secret people could steal the secret cargo. GET A GRIP ON REALITY!

The plane had a problem. The pilot did what he thought was best to correct the problem. That didn't work, so he probably tried to get back to where he came from to land. A problem made it so he couldn't land or possibly couldn't navigate. The (navigation) problem led him to fly until he could find a place to land. He never found a place and the plane went down.

You are seriously teetering on the edge of starting a gangstalking thread.
 
I mean this in the nicest way possible: Get a hobby.

But my hobby is neffing on AT :biggrin:

I think you're overreacting. It's just a discussion thread talking about the lost plane. Writing a few posts discussing the various possible options doesn't quite equal a gangstalking thread. I think we've had more discussion in the Lost TV show thread than we've ever had in this one.

Then again, you are trying to throw us off from finding the truth. Maybe you're in on it too...:hmm:
 
I mean this in the nicest way possible: Get a hobby. You are inventing shit in your mind, questioning things that have no bearing on anything, then decided there is a massive coverup. The fact is the plane crashed. It didn't get flown to a secret place to kill all the people on board so the secret people could steal the secret cargo. GET A GRIP ON REALITY!

The plane had a problem. The pilot did what he thought was best to correct the problem. That didn't work, so he probably tried to get back to where he came from to land. A problem made it so he couldn't land or possibly couldn't navigate. The (navigation) problem led him to fly until he could find a place to land. He never found a place and the plane went down.

You are seriously teetering on the edge of starting a gangstalking thread.

You're both talking out of your asses. Nothing will be known for sure until the black boxes are found and analysed.

But hey, it's fun to speculate.
 
Out of all the possible scenarios about the missing plane I have read on the net, this one below is the most believable!

Americans were withdrawing from Afghanistan. One of their command and control systems (used for controlling pilotless
drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014
What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russians or the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, All the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it. Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the Americans engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the Americans will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports
could be among them.
When MH370 was about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeings could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and
then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing),
refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air
Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe "dead men tell no tales." MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.
Americans have put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The
Australian is the co-actor?
The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is
unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.
 
But hey, it's fun to speculate.

Pretty much this; it's just interesting to discuss the possible scenarios that led up to the disappearance. It's just very strange that an entire airplane disappeared in this day & age and kind of shows that we're not infallible and that the world is still a pretty big place. It's all just speculation. You know, on a discussion forum :biggrin:
 
Do we really understand the state of mind of someone who cannot accept reality and invents convoluted scenarios that not only improbable but also highly illogical? Do we understand someone who would rather believe that terrorists flew a plane full of people to *somewhere* and killed them *somehow* and then flew the plane back and crashed it than to believe it just crashed? Do we really understand someone who convinces themselves that everyone is lying and only they know the truth?

Oh wait, we do. Its called psychosis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychosis

I'm not sure why you're so passionate about this whole thing, and trying to ridicule others when you're also really just speculating.

Let's take the Newtown guy shooting up a school full of children. For someone deciding to take an action like that, I would not have predicted/explained why he did certain things leading up to it, because I'd like to think that I'm logical and how I think is not going to apply to him.

If a pilot decides to crash a plane (which has happened before), I'm not going to rule out that possibility just because the way he chose to make it happen is illogical.

I'm not saying that's the only explanation, just that it cannot be ruled out.
 
I'm not sure why you're so passionate about this whole thing, and trying to ridicule others when you're also really just speculating.

Let's take the Newtown guy shooting up a school full of children. For someone deciding to take an action like that, I would not have predicted/explained why he did certain things leading up to it, because I'd like to think that I'm logical and how I think is not going to apply to him.

If a pilot decides to crash a plane (which has happened before), I'm not going to rule out that possibility just because the way he chose to make it happen is illogical.

I'm not saying that's the only explanation, just that it cannot be ruled out.

If someone said the Newton shooting was carried out by terrorists who abducted Lanza and all of the school children, took them to a remote planet and murdered them, then brought them back to Sandy Hook and made it look like Lanza was the shooter, then went back in time to murder Lanza's mom to make him look guilty...if someone said that would you consider that person logical?

That is the type of thinking going on in this thread.
 
If someone said the Newton shooting was carried out by terrorists who abducted Lanza and all of the school children, took them to a remote planet and murdered them, then brought them back to Sandy Hook and made it look like Lanza was the shooter, then went back in time to murder Lanza's mom to make him look guilty...if someone said that would you consider that person logical?

That is the type of thinking going on in this thread.

Eh, I don't really see that type of thinking at all in this thread...so far most of the theories posted are at least somewhat legitimate (barring black holes :biggrin🙂. I mean, we lost a huge airliner with a ton of people onboard & it's just gone. Could be emergency. Could be suicide. Could be terrorists. Who knows? Won't know until we find it. But it's our duty as armchair Internet detectives to piece together the data from public news sources in order to try to figure out what happened :colbert:
 
Out of all the possible scenarios about the missing plane I have read on the net, this one below is the most believable!

Americans were withdrawing from Afghanistan. One of their command and control systems (used for controlling pilotless
drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014
What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russians or the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, All the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it. Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the Americans engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the Americans will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports
could be among them.
When MH370 was about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeings could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and
then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing),
refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air
Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe "dead men tell no tales." MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.
Americans have put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The
Australian is the co-actor?
The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is
unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

Good episode of Mission Impossible besides the killing all on-board part.
 
Out of all the possible scenarios about the missing plane I have read on the net, this one below is the most believable!

Americans were withdrawing from Afghanistan. One of their command and control systems (used for controlling pilotless
drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014
What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russians or the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, All the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it. Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the Americans engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the Americans will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports
could be among them.
When MH370 was about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeings could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and
then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing),
refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air
Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe "dead men tell no tales." MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.
Americans have put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The
Australian is the co-actor?
The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is
unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

Good story but, at the end of the day this describes a conspiracy. By definition, in order to be plausible all of the actors in the story would have to contain the secret of what they were up to (all staff at the Garcia Diego air force base, AWACs crew and some high ranking officials who would be responsible for coordinating the efforts). Since it is unlikely that many people would be able to contain such a big secret I don't put much stock in the theory.
 
Good story but, at the end of the day this describes a conspiracy. By definition, in order to be plausible all of the actors in the story would have to contain the secret of what they were up to (all staff at the Garcia Diego air force base, AWACs crew and some high ranking officials who would be responsible for coordinating the efforts). Since it is unlikely that many people would be able to contain such a big secret I don't put much stock in the theory.

it's obviously the same crew that ran the 9/11 job. they know how to keep their mouths shut.
 
One interesting analysis has come out on the net in some other forums and blogs. I can't vouch for this, as I don't know about autopilots, but it seems plausible.

The plane is presumed to have flown almost due South. The reason for this is not clear, but in general the assumption is that the plane held a constant absolute heading, at least for the search are to be where it is.

However, the 777 auto-pilot/navigation system doesn't navigate on absolute headings. It has 2 options, a "heading" mode, which is magnetic; and a "waypoint" mode, which uses a full navigation computation to direct the aircraft on a great circle route to a programmed lat/long.

The issue comes that the magnetic South pole is nowhere near the South pole, and is in fact in the middle of the ocean off the coast of Antarctica, close to 1000 miles from the South pole, and within the Eastern hemisphere. This results in massive compass errors (the proper name for this is magnetic declination) in the Indian ocean.

If the autopilot had gone into default "heading" mode and had been programmed for a heading due South, the plane would be about 700 miles Northeast than they are looking (because if you followed a compass due South, your actual heading would be SE, as the magnetic declination in that region is close to 30 degrees).

There is no magnetic heading that could get the plane where they are looking now, because the plane would have had to have set off pointing South-South-West, which is not possible according to the ping data. (This would have resulted in the plane closing on the satellite, which the ping ranging and Doppler data indicate the plane flew away from the satellite at all times after contact was lost).

The only way the plane could have reached the proposed crash site without in=flight course adjustments, would be if the auto-pilot was operated in "waypoint" mode and a lat/long in the middle of nowhere (Antarctica or deep South Indian Ocean) was programmed in.
 
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Heard on the news that a plane going to Japan was near MH370 and ATC asked if they could contact MH370. When they were trying to contact MH370 on the emergency frequency the heard a carrier and muffled sound.
 
PERTH, Australia (AP) — Australian authorities say the search area for the missing Malaysian airliner has shifted because of a "new credible lead." The revised search area comes as the weather cleared Friday in the southern Indian Ocean to allow planes to hunt for fresh clues to the fate of the plane that went missing March 8. The Australian Maritime Safety Authority said it shifted the search 1,100 kilometers (680 miles) to the north after receiving a lead based on updated advice provided by an international investigation team in Malaysia. The new area is 319,000 square kilometers (123,200 square miles) and about 1,850 kilometers (1,250 miles) west of Perth. Australian officials have "examined this advice and determined that this is the most credible lead to where debris may be located," the AMSA said.
 
It's going to be a pretty big oops when the plane ends up being 'found' by some people on the coast of Australia. It's seeming more likely that the best hope for finding anything is having it wash up on the Aussie coast. Whenever that might actually happen.
 
Haven't read the whole thread, anyone else notice now that Australia is handling the search shit seems to get done better, even the news updates are better and organized.
 
My MIL believes the plane landed somewhere and the passengers were offloaded to be used later as suicide bombers in a terrorist plot. The plane was later "dumped" in the ocean to make it appear as a crash.

She's from Texas, so...
 
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Why don't they have a sat com that can't be disabled? This needs to be done to all commercial aviation. Hell! It would get rid of the black box.
 
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