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Malaysian airlines has lost a 777

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runzwithsizorz said:
The Air France crash had a large debris field, so I find it hard to believe with all the search craft being used there's nothing but an oil slick.
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Quote from the airliners.net thread:

"It took them two or three days before the first parts of AF447 were discovered. It was a very frustrating period".
 
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JumBie said:
Seems like you guys make such a big deal out of Islam and "terrorist" yet you forget all the people who are killed in the name of Jesus in your own country.
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You Islam apologists are so incredibly retarded, I find it hard to fathom. How many hundreds of years ago were people killing in Jesus's name?

This week in Islam there have been 50 attacks, 434 dead, and 660 injured. Again that's for this week from March 1-7.

How many Christian terrorists have attacked people this week? Buddhists? Hindus? Mormons?

You can probably combine every other religion and they will not kill as many people in the year as Muslims will in any given week.
 
Markbnj said:
I read an interesting article in an aviation mag years ago arguing that the calculation was all wrong, and deliberately obfuscating the real risk. I'm not good enough with math to have an opinion, but the premise _sounded_ plausible, at least. The idea is that simply comparing deaths per miles traveled ignores the fact that the air travelers were exposed to risk for much shorter periods of time. In other words, to travel from NY to LA you spend 6-7 hours in a plane, or 50 hours in a car. If, for example, people died at about the same rate per mile traveled in planes and cars you might say planes were a lot more dangerous because you are only in one for a tenth of the time it takes to go the same distance in a car. On the other hand, you have to choose one or the other means to cover the distance. You can't wish yourself there.
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I've always wondered that myself. But the thing is that there are numerous passenger planes in the air at any given moment in time plane crashes still don't occur anywhere near the level of frequency of auto accidents.

The beltway of any major city is guaranteed at least several or more accidents per day.

I suppose the most fair way to study the probability of an accident would be to calculate the odds of getting in a fatal accident while traveling from NY to LA by car vs traveling from NY to LA by jumbo jet.

"Fatal" being the key word because the vast majority of jumbo jet crashes are simply not survivable.
 
madoka said:
You Islam apologists are so incredibly retarded, I find it hard to fathom. How many hundreds of years ago were people killing in Jesus's name?

This week in Islam there have been 50 attacks, 434 dead, and 660 injured. Again that's for this week from March 1-7.

How many Christian terrorists have attacked people this week? Buddhists? Hindus? Mormons?

You can probably combine every other religion and they will not kill as many people in the year as Muslims will in any given week.
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You're wasting too much time on the internet. Your relatives aren't going to have sex with themselves. Get to it.

Also maybe there's a NASCAR race on TV.
 
The stolen passports sound interesting and I suppose that terrorism is worth speculating at this point. But I wonder why that plane would be a target unless someone important was on that plane.

Although since 'terrorism' was mentioned I'm sure the conspiracy sites are churning with ideas by now 🙄
 
IF it is a terrorist attack, then they must have used a big explosive for for the plane to... supposedly, vanish from thin air, before any kind of sos can be send out. With the fake passport, it is likely that it really is a terrorist attack; but if it is a terrorist attack, someone would have come froth and claim responsibility by now.
 
There could be lots of reasons that they went down without a mayday.

Although modern jumbo jets incorporate alot of redundancy into their design; however, it is still possible to loser power to all of the instruments under the right circumstances.
 
88keys said:
There could be lots of reasons that they went down without a mayday.

Although modern jumbo jets incorporate alot of redundancy into their design; however, it is still possible to loser power to all of the instruments under the right circumstances.
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Yeah, like if all the instruments were destroyed in an explosion.
 
or if power was lost and the pilots could neither determine their altitude nor speed so they stalled the plane and it exploded on impact.
 
88keys said:
The stolen passports sound interesting and I suppose that terrorism is worth speculating at this point. But I wonder why that plane would be a target unless someone important was on that plane.

Although since 'terrorism' was mentioned I'm sure the conspiracy sites are churning with ideas by now 🙄
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Has anyone heard from Frank Underwood lately? I wouldn't put such a thing past him... :colbert:
 
I don't know, but I'm going to blame Obama for letting those immigrants with stolen passports on that plane.
 
What was that movie where the people in the future hijacked (NSA USE APPROVED) doomed aircraft?

Oh yea Millennium and it was TV series as well...
 
Thebobo said:
What was that movie where the people in the future hijacked (NSA USE APPROVED) doomed aircraft?

Oh yea Millennium and it was TV series as well...
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I don't remember it as a series, but I DO remember the movie. Kris Kristofferson and Cheryl Ladd....
 
tynopik said:
1. there is no evidence any oil slick is connected the plane yet. could be from a boat

2. exploding in mid-air is LESS likely to leave an oil slick of any type as the fuel has time to evaporate on the way down. Oil slicks usually originate when the tank is below water and leaks, allowing the gas to rise to the surface.
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You have valid points, except it been 24 hours or so and nothing has been found. Maybe a worm hole opened up and the plane went back in time.

http://www.tv.com/shows/the-twilight-zone/watch/the-odyssey-of-flight-33-12638/
 
Thebobo said:
What was that movie where the people in the future hijacked (NSA USE APPROVED) doomed aircraft?

Oh yea Millennium and it was TV series as well...
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Millennium the movie and Millennium the TV series were in no way related, but both were great.
 
I read more about this case and it bothers me greatly that at least two EU passports were stolen a while back and were used (allegedly) by someone else to get on the plane.

CNN law enforcement analyst Tom Fuentes, a former FBI assistant director, was told by sources at Interpol, which keeps a database of lost or stolen travel documents, that the stolen Italian passport was in the agency's database. The reportedly stolen Austrian passport was not. Malaysian authorities apparently did not check Interpol's database, sources told Fuentes.

"Interpol's database has 39 million records of stolen travel documents at the present time," he said. "One billion passengers a year board international flights where there's no inquiry made of that database. So it leaves an opening."
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That's why I guard my passport like a hawk and only use a photocopy when I am outside the US. The real one would be in a safe place.

My trip outside the US is coming up soon. <a bit nervous>
 
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2 additional people on the manifest are being investigated for using stolen passports bringing the total to 4.
http://my.news.yahoo.com/two-more-e...ect-identities-onboard-missing-005206266.html
All four tickets were purchased on the codeshare China Eastern which only sold 7 tickets for the flight. This could be drug smuggling and unrelated or it could be a plot. The FBI is investigating the missing plane and China has stepped up its airport security.
 
chowderhead said:
2 additional people on the manifest are being investigated for using stolen passports bringing the total to 4.
http://my.news.yahoo.com/two-more-e...ect-identities-onboard-missing-005206266.html
All four tickets were purchased on the codeshare China Eastern which only sold 7 tickets for the flight. This could be drug smuggling and unrelated or it could be a plot. The FBI is investigating the missing plane and China has stepped up its airport security.
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I'm kinda curious about how many passengers on a typical non US/European flight are using fraudulent ID. There are a lot of people who need to move around undetected so I doubt it is uncommon.
 
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