Seems like a good call to me after reading the DA's report; and really, more often that not I'd say I err on the side of the victim in these types of situations. This one seems pretty clear, though. I would have done the same thing. It's not like this is another shot in the back while fleeing story. Crazy dude pounding/breaking his way in ... loss of life is a shame, but eh, what choice did the home owner have?
AnonymouseUser
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After reading what Wheezer posted, the killing is more justified than ever. Hell, he should have been shot simply for driving with "His blood alcohol level at autopsy was .261 gm/dl, over three times the legal driving limit."
Reading the DA report makes it even more clear not charging the guy was the correct course of action, and shows why every state needs to have such laws in place.
That, and another drunk driver permanently removed off the roads is a bonus.
That, and another drunk driver permanently removed off the roads is a bonus.
If they were in New York the home owner would be prosecuted for 1st degree murder and his wife put in prison for life just for being near him.
I think he did the right thing, if someone you don't know is screaming at you, then breaks into your house, if you have a gun, I'd use it EVERY TIME.
I think he did the right thing, if someone you don't know is screaming at you, then breaks into your house, if you have a gun, I'd use it EVERY TIME.
Pliablemoose
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After living in Texas for 20 years, and then living in California for the last 4 months, I gotta tell ya, concealed carry laws/castle doctrine laws really do cut down on crime, I can't fucking believe the level of violence here and people just shrug their shoulders and accept it.
edro
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My concealed carry instructor taught these 4 precursors to using deadly force:
1. Intent - Does the perp have intent to cause you or others harm?
2. Ability - Does the per have the physical ability to harm you or others?
3. Opportunity - Does the perp have the spacial ability (no barriers between you and them)?
4. Jeopardy - Does the perp give you no other opportunity to exit the situation?
Obviously you can't go through this list while in a highly intense situation.
However, these should be common sense and you should be able to go through them in a split second.
Because he was outside, breaking in, and the home owner couldn't see him, 1,2 and 3 were not obtainable.
If it were I in the same situation, I would have notified the person that I had a gun.
At least my conscience would be at ease after I took his life.
I am not of the shoot now, ask questions later bunch.
1. Intent - Does the perp have intent to cause you or others harm?
2. Ability - Does the per have the physical ability to harm you or others?
3. Opportunity - Does the perp have the spacial ability (no barriers between you and them)?
4. Jeopardy - Does the perp give you no other opportunity to exit the situation?
Obviously you can't go through this list while in a highly intense situation.
However, these should be common sense and you should be able to go through them in a split second.
Because he was outside, breaking in, and the home owner couldn't see him, 1,2 and 3 were not obtainable.
If it were I in the same situation, I would have notified the person that I had a gun.
At least my conscience would be at ease after I took his life.
I am not of the shoot now, ask questions later bunch.
Originally posted by: senseamp
I bet having his girl there got this guys protective macho instincts going. Gotta show the lady that he can protect his castle. So he shot a drunk. Very heroic
Yeah, because when someone is breaking into my house the first thing I think of is how to impress my lady friend. Troll.
JulesMaximus
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That's fucked up. I don't know if I could live with myself after shooting an unarmed man to death for a simple mistake.
Aren't burglers usually trying to be quiet and sneaky? Banging on the front door and shouting isn't a good M.O. for a cat burgler...
DainBramaged
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- Jun 19, 2003
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why the hell is it called the "make my day" law?
surely they could've come up with a better name than that.. or is Colorado in the habit of basing all their laws on Clint Eastwood movies? Because there are a couple of rape jokes in The Eiger Sanction that I could see being codified..
surely they could've come up with a better name than that.. or is Colorado in the habit of basing all their laws on Clint Eastwood movies? Because there are a couple of rape jokes in The Eiger Sanction that I could see being codified..
You forgot the part where the richest person/entity within 6 degrees of separation gets sued for eighty zillion dollars.
AstroManLuca
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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Thats 1 less drunk driver off the road as well.
<-- Galss half full kinda guy
:thumbsup:
NaOH
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Yeah, no kidding. But aside from warning the intruder, I feel like he protected his place the best he could. Who knows what could happened when you're woken up in the middle of the night with someone trying to get through your door.
Anything he could have done after calling 911 would only put himself in a weaker position to an intruder. The drunk was in the wrong place at the wrong time due to him drinking too much. It's tragic for both parties...
Did you read the article? The guy wasn't fumbling with his keys and saying "Hello? Why is my house locked? Why don't my keys work?" He was screaming obscenities, pounding on the door, and breaking a window to unlatch the deadbolt.
That's no "simple mistake".
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