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Majority Of Men Who Took Ivermectin In Study Ended Up Becoming Sterile

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senseamp said:
Current studies are to poor to either prove or disprove effectiveness. Better studies are in progress. Just saying jury is still out.
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Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic medication. COVID is a virus. What 'study' is there to be done, or wait on? It makes no sense AT FACE VALUE.

Why is that so difficult to understand? I don't get it. You aren't being intelligent or 'better-informed' by saying that the jury is still out on whether Ivermectin is effective for treatment of a viral infection. It's full dipshittery to the max, full-stop.
 
Pohemi420 said:
Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic medication. COVID is a virus. What 'study' is there to be done, or wait on? It makes no sense AT FACE VALUE.
Why is that so difficult to understand? I don't get it. You aren't being intelligent or 'better-informed' by saying that the jury is still out on whether Ivermectin is effective for treatment of a viral infection. It's full dipshittery to the max, full-stop.
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I am saying the jury is still out, because we had no study to disprove it as an effective treatment of COVID. Studies have been done and some showed benefit, but sample size was small and error bars were too high to be conclusive. Being an anti-parasitic doesn't mean it's not also anti-viral. There was a (Together) study that showed that an SSRI Fluvoxamine had a 30% reduction of hospitalization risk (that same study didn't show significant benefit of Ivermectin, BTW).

Old drug fluvoxamine, new hope for COVID-19 - PMC

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By your logic, we should ignore this drug's statistically significant benefit because it's an anti-depressant and not an anti-viral.
I am neutral on Ivermectin. I suspect it has very small or no effect, but it's not proven yet and serious studies are ongoing. I would not be angry if doctor didn't prescribe it to me. But since there is low risk of side effects with human appropriate dosing, I am not against it either and not angry for people taking it.
 
senseamp said:
I am saying the jury is still out, because we had no study to disprove it as an effective treatment of COVID. Studies have been done and some showed benefit, but sample size was small and error bars were too high to be conclusive. Being an anti-parasitic doesn't mean it's not also anti-viral. There was a (Together) study that showed that an SSRI Fluvoxamine had a 30% reduction of hospitalization risk (that same study didn't show significant benefit of Ivermectin, BTW).

Old drug fluvoxamine, new hope for COVID-19 - PMC

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
By your logic, we should ignore this drug's statistically significant benefit because it's an anti-depressant and not an anti-viral.
I am neutral on Ivermectin. I suspect it has very small or no effect, but it's not proven yet and serious studies are ongoing. I would not be angry if doctor didn't prescribe it to me. But since there is low risk of side effects with human appropriate dosing, I am not against it either and not angry for people taking it.
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Are you angry with people taking this unproven medication instead of getting vaccinated? Because most of the people taking it aren't vaccinated. They're probably just taking it because CDC/FDA and the medical community are saying not to. If they told them not to stick a UV flashlight up their ass, I suspect we'd suddenly see a lot of rather embarrassing visits to the ER.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Are you angry with people taking this unproven medication instead of getting vaccinated? Because most of the people taking it aren't vaccinated. They're probably just taking it because CDC/FDA and the medical community are saying not to. If they told them not to stick a UV flashlight up their ass, I suspect we'd suddenly see a lot of rather embarrassing visits to the ER.
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Whatever happens don’t tell them that all they need is to eat a tide pod. Tide pods have not been shown to kill COVID when you add a whole pod to a test tube with COVID in it l. Big pharma is hiding the truth of this miracle cure because they won’t make any money from it. It’s a 100% unproven fact that no one who took the tide pod challenge has died from COVID. Wake up sheeple!
 
WelshBloke said:
I'm not going to lie, I absolutely feel superior to him.
He can't analyse data and he has no idea how proof works.
Hes gullible and easily lead.
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I feel superior to most people I come into contact with. I am glad I have this space to interact with people that actually have brains and I feel inferior to most posters, except the usual suspects.
 
ch33zw1z said:
Nothing on your list says that humans should be taking the drug to combat sar2.

But nice insults, real zingers. I'm sure the resident righties are getting their fainting couches ready to fall on while they chastise your mean words.
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#5 on the list. I never said anything about not taking a vaccine, and I'm actually fully vaxxed and have been for months. We are talking about a treatment regime for Covid and not a preventative.
 
WelshBloke said:
I'm not going to lie, I absolutely feel superior to him.
He can't analyse data and he has no idea how proof works.
Hes gullible and easily lead.
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I'm glad you fancy yourself superior. Instead of spending time trying to talk yourself into feeling superior, you should educate yourself so you would be.
 
woolfe9998 said:
Are you angry with people taking this unproven medication instead of getting vaccinated? Because most of the people taking it aren't vaccinated. They're probably just taking it because CDC/FDA and the medical community are saying not to. If they told them not to stick a UV flashlight up their ass, I suspect we'd suddenly see a lot of rather embarrassing visits to the ER.
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Are you mad that people are wanting treatment options over getting stuck on ventilators?
 
brandonbull said:
#5 on the list. I never said anything about not taking a vaccine, and I'm actually fully vaxxed and have been for months. We are talking about a treatment regime for Covid and not a preventative.
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No, #5 says it kills in in vitro. That's doesn't directly translate to the human body.

Best you can offer is that more thorough studies should be done before the FDA says anything definitive
 
brandonbull said:
Are you mad that people are wanting treatment options over getting stuck on ventilators?
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No we're mad at idiots that don't take this virus serious. The ones that won't take the necessary precautions to limit the spread. The ones that are too chicken to take a vaccine taken by 2 billion of us. And they call us sheep for "mindlessly" believing the government while they're actually taking medication with a sheep on the box. We're mad at people spreading lies (like yourself) promoting something that studies haven't shown it effective.
 
Hey if people want to jam dewormer into themselves, knock yourselves out. Cleaning up the gene pool one moron at a time. Just don't expect the hospitals to do it for you, go find some quack who also prescribes essential oils to get you your horse paste.


You hate modern medicine, why go to somewhere that believes in it. Employ a faith healer or guru of choice to pray away the covid from the comfort of your home, doing the stressed-out medical people a big favor in the process.
 
eelw said:
No we're mad at idiots that don't take this virus serious. The ones that won't take the necessary precautions to limit the spread. The ones that are too chicken to take a vaccine taken by 2 billion of us. And they call us sheep for "mindlessly" believing the government while they're actually taking medication with a sheep on the box. We're mad at people spreading lies (like yourself) promoting something that studies haven't shown it effective.
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ch33zw1z said:
No, #5 says it kills in in vitro. That's doesn't directly translate to the human body.

Best you can offer is that more thorough studies should be done before the FDA says anything definitive
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You seem confused that people want proof? I know you are not familiar with verified facts but that's how things should normally proceed.
 
eelw said:
No we're mad at idiots that don't take this virus serious. The ones that won't take the necessary precautions to limit the spread. The ones that are too chicken to take a vaccine taken by 2 billion of us. And they call us sheep for "mindlessly" believing the government while they're actually taking medication with a sheep on the box. We're mad at people spreading lies (like yourself) promoting something that studies haven't shown it effective.
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You should be mad at the false information around Covid and treatment options. Not sure if you noticed the title of this thread. If we were to make a line with one end point noted as "Horse dewormer that sterilizes human males" and the other end would be "Covid cure", where do you think Ivermectin would lie? Closer to Covid cure or man sterilizer?
 
brandonbull said:
You should be mad at the false information around Covid and treatment options. Not sure if you noticed the title of this thread. If we were to make a line with one end point noted as "Horse dewormer that sterilizes human males" and the other end would be "Covid cure", where do you think Ivermectin would lie? Closer to Covid cure or man sterilizer?
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Everyone has moved past the title error.
 
allisolm said:
Vaccination almost totally avoids having to make that choice, and, if they were vaccinated, about the only treatment they would need would be a decongestant.
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Vaccinations still have nothing to do with this thread in and it's purpose of spreading misinformation. Joe Rogan claimed Ivermectin helped as part of a post infection treatment plan and not the sole reason for his recovery. There is a large portion of the population that is not able to receive the vaccine. Do they get the "sorry about your luck treatment"? Take a decongestant sounds like real quackery.
 
brandonbull said:
Vaccinations still have nothing to do with this thread in and it's purpose of spreading misinformation. Joe Rogan claimed Ivermectin helped as part of a post infection treatment plan and not the sole reason for his recovery. There is a large portion of the population that is not able to receive the vaccine. Do they get the "sorry about your luck treatment"? Take a decongestant sounds like real quackery.
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Joe Rogan also had a course of Monoclonal antibodies which probably did a lot more than him getting dewormed!
 
brandonbull said:
Vaccinations still have nothing to do with this thread in and it's purpose of spreading misinformation. Joe Rogan claimed Ivermectin helped as part of a post infection treatment plan and not the sole reason for his recovery. There is a large portion of the population that is not able to receive the vaccine. Do they get the "sorry about your luck treatment"? Take a decongestant sounds like real quackery.
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Uhh ... You do realize that people are buying the horse dewormer version of Ivermectin from feed stores and poisoning themselves .. right?

Rogan's ego doesn't allow him to realize he is part of the problem. Rogan has money and has a doctor willing to prescribe the human version of this drug. That's fine. Have at it. Most doctors will not prescribe this stuff for covid. And rightfully so. He also got a cocktail of Monoclonal antibodies which was what really helped him beat the virus. Who cares if Rogan attributes his improvement to ivermectin? Most people improve whether they take it or not. Animal drugs are often highly concentrated because they are used for large animals like horses and cows, which can weigh a lot more than a human. Rogan claims that the drug has been approved for human use. The FDA clarifies that it "has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals."

Rogan has a number of fans. He has a platform that he can use to get others to follow his example. Some of these fans are not rich, impressionable, desperate and stupid.

There are people who will not improve unless they seek proper medical attention for covid19, which they WILL NOT because they will be getting horse de-wormer from the tractor supply store. They will not get the vaccine, or follow distancing/masking recommendations in the belief that there is a fucking miracle drug out there if they do get sick. Rogan is an idiot if he doesn't realize this
 
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