MAJOR RANT: These fvckign @sshole system admins!!!!

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: acemcmac
mugs-

but what in gods name would be the purpose of blocking it all together???

are there some heinous uses for this program that I am unaware of???

I'm not killing babies with it, I'm not "hacking the planet" with it, I'm just trying to get some fvckign work done!

Its part of the overall security policy, that's why. Its a remote control tool, most security policies forbid the use of remote control tools.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

You're such a fvcking moron :roll: They're doing their jobs to restrict idiot users from doing stupid sh!t. You try supporting XXXX users and see what things you let users do on COMPANY computers.

let's try this one again

PUBLIC LIBRARY AT A STATE OWNED AND OPERATED SCHOOL

READ: FREE FREE FREE FREEE

I work in corperate IT. Corperate IT != Educational environment. Coperations get to dictate the best ways to do things top down. It's the other way around in the educational world. They are here to accomidate ME. I pay tuition. I pay taxes. I demand the right to use the resources I paid for in a manner non-disruptive to the rights of others.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CORPERATE WORLD

Educational institutions operate similarly to corporations. You follow their rules, or you go somewhere else.

the only rules regarding the use of on campus resources are 1) keep it legal, 2) don't interfere with the productivity of others and 3) respect other people's privacy.

how does one remote desktop session session across campus (which cant be maintained for more than 5 minutes b/c the lan blows so badly) qualify as breaking one of those thress?

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: acemcmac
mugs-

but what in gods name would be the purpose of blocking it all together???

are there some heinous uses for this program that I am unaware of???

I'm not killing babies with it, I'm not "hacking the planet" with it, I'm just trying to get some fvckign work done!

Its part of the overall security policy, that's why. Its a remote control tool, most security policies forbid the use of remote control tools.

mmmm.... orwell in an educational setting..... way to go free passing of information :roll:++

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

If you wrote the policies and did not ban remote desktop and similar software, you missed quite a bit. Bad policy bitch, bad.

 

[Rogue]

Simple question. Did you purchase any of the equipment you're working on personally, from personal funds? No. Not yours to do with as you see fit. Live with it.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: acemcmac
mugs-

but what in gods name would be the purpose of blocking it all together???

are there some heinous uses for this program that I am unaware of???

I'm not killing babies with it, I'm not "hacking the planet" with it, I'm just trying to get some fvckign work done!

Its part of the overall security policy, that's why. Its a remote control tool, most security policies forbid the use of remote control tools.

mmmm.... orwell in an educational setting..... way to go free passing of information :roll:++

If it was "free passing of information" you wouldn't have to pay. And how exactly is no remote desktop links restricting your learning experience?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: acemcmac
mugs-

but what in gods name would be the purpose of blocking it all together???

are there some heinous uses for this program that I am unaware of???

I'm not killing babies with it, I'm not "hacking the planet" with it, I'm just trying to get some fvckign work done!

Its part of the overall security policy, that's why. Its a remote control tool, most security policies forbid the use of remote control tools.

mmmm.... orwell in an educational setting..... way to go free passing of information :roll:++

That's the way it is, deal with it or use your own service.

 

[Yossarian]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

looks like they rewrote it after you left

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

If you wrote the policies and did not ban remote desktop and similar software, you missed quite a bit. Bad policy bitch, bad.

If you have no servers that allow such a primative protocol to gain access to them, what in the hell are you vounerable to? Someone using their home computer to print to the computer on their desk? Someone uploading malicious files that your firewall should be intercepting? This traffic isn't even leaving the gateway.... it's packet shaped out... this is traveling across the lan strictly..... no reason at all for it to be blocked

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: Yossarian

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

looks like they rewrote it after you left

my ass they did.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

If you wrote the policies and did not ban remote desktop and similar software, you missed quite a bit. Bad policy bitch, bad.

yeah, I'm thinking he didn't take "network operations" 101.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: acemcmac
mugs-

but what in gods name would be the purpose of blocking it all together???

are there some heinous uses for this program that I am unaware of???

I'm not killing babies with it, I'm not "hacking the planet" with it, I'm just trying to get some fvckign work done!

Its part of the overall security policy, that's why. Its a remote control tool, most security policies forbid the use of remote control tools.

mmmm.... orwell in an educational setting..... way to go free passing of information :roll:++

That's the way it is, deal with it or use your own service.

I don't have load balancers at home for kicks. I just can't drag a comcast connection with me everywhere :roll:

 

[loup garou]

Maybe you should quit whining here and figure out a way to "get your fvcking work done."

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

If you wrote the policies and did not ban remote desktop and similar software, you missed quite a bit. Bad policy bitch, bad.

If you have no servers that allow such a primative protocol to gain access to them, what in the hell are you vounerable to? Someone using their home computer to print to the computer on their desk? Someone uploading malicious files that your firewall should be intercepting? This traffic isn't even leaving the gateway.... it's packet shaped out... this is traveling across the lan strictly..... no reason at all for it to be blocked

What isn't necessary, is bad.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

If you wrote the policies and did not ban remote desktop and similar software, you missed quite a bit. Bad policy bitch, bad.

yeah, I'm thinking he didn't take "network operations" 101.

I have yet to hear one good reason why it should be banned in an educational setting that you can't cover with other bases. You suck.

 

[n0cmonkey]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

If you wrote the policies and did not ban remote desktop and similar software, you missed quite a bit. Bad policy bitch, bad.

yeah, I'm thinking he didn't take "network operations" 101.

:laugh:

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

If you wrote the policies and did not ban remote desktop and similar software, you missed quite a bit. Bad policy bitch, bad.

If you have no servers that allow such a primative protocol to gain access to them, what in the hell are you vounerable to? Someone using their home computer to print to the computer on their desk? Someone uploading malicious files that your firewall should be intercepting? This traffic isn't even leaving the gateway.... it's packet shaped out... this is traveling across the lan strictly..... no reason at all for it to be blocked

oh please Mr. Network Security guru, explain to us how a firewall can stop malicous files or code?

Or for that matter malicous activity at all.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

If you wrote the policies and did not ban remote desktop and similar software, you missed quite a bit. Bad policy bitch, bad.

If you have no servers that allow such a primative protocol to gain access to them, what in the hell are you vounerable to? Someone using their home computer to print to the computer on their desk? Someone uploading malicious files that your firewall should be intercepting? This traffic isn't even leaving the gateway.... it's packet shaped out... this is traveling across the lan strictly..... no reason at all for it to be blocked

What isn't necessary, is bad.

Wrong. Again, that is the coorperate paradigm. In a corperation, IT is responsible to management and ownership. When IT does not accomidate them, they are useless and need to go. In education, IT is responsible to the faculty and students. When IT does not accomidate them, they are useless and need to go.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

/lawnchair
/:beer:

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

If you wrote the policies and did not ban remote desktop and similar software, you missed quite a bit. Bad policy bitch, bad.

yeah, I'm thinking he didn't take "network operations" 101.

I have yet to hear one good reason why it should be banned in an educational setting that you can't cover with other bases. You suck.

Its a remote control tool.

Good security policy as dictated in "network operations 101" is not allowed nor should it be. Ever been audited? It wasn't the evil sys admins call, it came from much higher up.

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: werk
Maybe you should quit whining here and figure out a way to "get your fvcking work done."

I did, I needed a file from my home server, got it via remote desktop and sent it off to the prof.

Been having problems with the FTP server I use as backup for the same purpose, so I was a little screwed there....

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

If you wrote the policies and did not ban remote desktop and similar software, you missed quite a bit. Bad policy bitch, bad.

If you have no servers that allow such a primative protocol to gain access to them, what in the hell are you vounerable to? Someone using their home computer to print to the computer on their desk? Someone uploading malicious files that your firewall should be intercepting? This traffic isn't even leaving the gateway.... it's packet shaped out... this is traveling across the lan strictly..... no reason at all for it to be blocked

oh please Mr. Network Security guru, explain to us how a firewall can stop malicous files or code?

Or for that matter malicous activity at all.

Is there any encryption on remote desktop at all? If Cisco has firmwares that, at swich level, can identify and remove common variants of worms etc, firewalls can be configured to provide the same basic security to primative remote sessions. Anything you are exposing yourself to by allowing remote desktop, you are already exposing yourself to by not doing a pat down search of every client looking for their thumbdrives or cdrom's....

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

If you wrote the policies and did not ban remote desktop and similar software, you missed quite a bit. Bad policy bitch, bad.

If you have no servers that allow such a primative protocol to gain access to them, what in the hell are you vounerable to? Someone using their home computer to print to the computer on their desk? Someone uploading malicious files that your firewall should be intercepting? This traffic isn't even leaving the gateway.... it's packet shaped out... this is traveling across the lan strictly..... no reason at all for it to be blocked

What isn't necessary, is bad.

Wrong. Again, that is the coorperate paradigm. In a corperation, IT is responsible to management and ownership. When IT does not accomidate them, they are useless and need to go. In education, IT is responsible to the faculty and students. When IT does not accomidate them, they are useless and need to go.

Wrong. IT is just another department that answers to the food chain. That food chain reports to owners. Ownsers report to auditors. It has nothing to do with students/faculty/employees, etc. Nothing whatsoever.

 

[FoBoT]

opcorn;

 

[acemcmac]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: acemcmac

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: n0cmonkey

Originally posted by: acemcmac

It's against policy, that's enough of a reason.

No, it's not. I helped write this school's network administration policies before I got a better offer. They just think they know better what I want to do with the comptuer than I do and deleted "extraneous and confusing information." To this day, I am the only administrator on the network after hours and the one of the only people with the authority to reverse access suspensions on the residental network. I have never needed M$ administrator access and have never asked for it. This kind of stuff is just unbelieveable.

If you wrote the policies and did not ban remote desktop and similar software, you missed quite a bit. Bad policy bitch, bad.

yeah, I'm thinking he didn't take "network operations" 101.

I have yet to hear one good reason why it should be banned in an educational setting that you can't cover with other bases. You suck.

Its a remote control tool.

Good security policy as dictated in "network operations 101" is not allowed nor should it be. Ever been audited? It wasn't the evil sys admins call, it came from much higher up.

Oh NO, NOT AN EVIL REMOTE CONTROL TOOL :roll:. If you have a server that is voulnerable to an attack from a domestic remote control client, then you have bigger problems to worry about. I have had formal network security training, and security policies start at the servers. Client security should be considered invalaid just by leaving a human being alone with an ethernet jack.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: FoBoT
: Popcorn;

Hey, down in front!